A gospel test for Jehovah’s Witnesses.

The following five questions for Jehovah’s Witnesses, from a tract sold by Personal Freedom Outreach, is a perfect companion to Paul Washer’s witnessing technique to Jehovah’s Witnesses (found here).

37 thoughts on “A gospel test for Jehovah’s Witnesses.

  1. PFO is a great organization, with an excellent apologetics journal, which I highly recommend. They will be hosting the “St. Louis Conference on Biblical Discernment” in April, in St. Charles, MO. They are every other year, and my wife and I have attended since 2002.
    http://www.pfo.org.

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  2. LOVE it!!! The tract is so simple yet so powerful. Just as the gospel of Christ is. So simple yet so powerful. I have to get some of those. Would be nice to make up similar ones for Mormons.

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  3. The Jehovah’s Witnesses teach preach that Jesus had his return aka second coming October 1914,then they spin all sorts of doctrinal embellishments on that date with 1918 being their appointment by Jesus as sole heirs of this 1914 Kingdom coming.
    They teach Michael the Archangel is one and same as Jesus,Have a deadly dogma prohibiting whole Blood transfusion but use cow’s blood calling it *Hemopure*.
    They teach only 144,000 go to heaven,on and on and on with made up man made dogmas……JW are a spin-off of the second adventist and have this in common with the SDA.
    Jehovah’s Witnesses promotion of their Watchtower sect has the net effect of stumbling and turning people off to the real Gospel.
    Jesus said: “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte; and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves” (Matt 23:15)

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  4. what do the born again preach? answer nothing , i never had a born again at my house. I have met some born again people , but they seem to have different beliefs. perhaps they could all sit together with all their born again friend an d work on their pagan theories like hell or trinity.

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  5. Hi Luis,

    I think you have a point. Many who claim to be Christians can’t defend the doctrines they profess.

    However, I have a similar objection to Jehovah’s Witnesses. They know what the Watchtower teaches about specific issues, but they really don’t know what the Bible teaches. It is fairly easy to point out contradictions and inconsistencies in their beliefs.

    A good example is this blog post. You didn’t bother to answer, but only attempted to poison the well. What explanation can you offer that the Watchtower’s gospel and the biblical gospel aren’t the same?

    Thanks,
    Bill

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  6. RE: Bill, they do not preach repentance towards God and faith in our Lord Jesus Christ, salvation by grace through faith(not of works) lest any man should boast, it is the gift of God, Jesus saves wicked sinners from eternal damnation of hell fire, where there is no rest day or night and the smoke of their torments acendeth forever and ever. And forgives all sin (only through the blood) of Jesus Christ.

    obstaining from blood is that we do not sacrifice animals for sin offering, We have the blood of Jesus Christ to wash away all sin except the blasphemy of the Holy Ghost.

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  7. Bill,
    The very first piece of evidence that it’s not the same is their Christ vs. the Biblical Christ. Their Christ was Michael the Archangel first, then he is “a god” – making two gods – and he didn’t resurrect bodily from the grave.

    If you have an imitation Christ, you have an imitation gospel, and no salvation.

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  8. It’s amazing, every comment I’ve read here has been so askew of the true facts. It’s obvious to any serious Bible student that the commentators have done absolutely no unbiased and true diligent research into God’s word.

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  9. It’s difficult to do. As an illustration, lets say a person read a recipe in a preliminary draft of a cookbook, all the ingredients were listed as was the preparation directions as well as the cooking instructions. However in the notes he had said that at some future date he was going to add the specific details about each ingredient as well as how each ingredient should be prepared before adding it to the mix. Well after reading through the book a couple of times the authors chef followed the directions and made the dish and everyone tried it and many liked it as it was made by the chef while others later tweeked it to their own taste. However when the author had arrived and tasted what they all had made with the ingredients, he tells the chef and all the cooks the details that are needed to make the meal properly but they all refuse to make the changes because they are used to eating it the way they have have been and the name they made for themselves in doing it their way. A few however do listen and obey and when they taste, they are convinced that it’s perfect, the absolute best. They in turn do their utmost to bring the full instructions to everyone far and wide but few actually take notice.

    Christendom is similar, it takes no note of the masters instructions which have been revealed in these final part of the days, yes revealed to those having insight, those faithful stewards of his word. Instead they continue to follow tradition and words handed down from generation to generation.

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  10. Interesting comments, The Bible should be the basis of the Christian faith, either except it or don’t, stop trying to add to it and twist it. “Teachings of Men” we are to beware of those who twist the scripture. Simply put, the Jehovah Witness sect is a cult. Jesus said in John 8:24 “unless you believe in who I AM, you will die in your sins” prior to this he said he was “I Am” or Jehovah God. JW takes the divinity of Christ away, deny the resurrection. Great good people, quote the bible well and out of context, the doctrine is simply wrong. Remember Jesus spoke more about doctrine and hell than anything. We would all do well to listen to his words, believe who he stated he was (he wasn’t the archangel Michael). Research the word “Angel” when used in the context of the Old Testament, reference it to a Hebrew Lexicon, I think if you start studying that you will find you have been tricked and lied to by the JW’s.

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  11. Fortunately Doug, for Christians with their eyes and ears open, it’s easy to see you using your human reasoning/intellect to reason and understand the holy writings. Witnesses of Jehovah do not deny the resurrection but completely believe what Jesus said at John 20:17 where Jesus said to Mary Magdalene, ‘Do not hold me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brethren and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

    So, please Doug, for your benefit and the benefit of all those you talk to and those who read your musings, at least know what you are talking about before you just pass on ridicule of JW’s and what they believe.

    Instead of the light getting lighter and lighter within Christendom, it’s obvious that it’s actually as dim as it’s ever been. Jesus said that you will know his true disciples by the fruit they bare, and that a rotten tree cannot produce good fruit and that it will be cut down and thrown into the fire, Doug, may I ask what good fruit your sect of Christendom has manifested or produced?

     

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    Interestingly, not once in Scripture do we find the Father addressing the Son as “my God.”)

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  12. Zeny,

    The JW’s do not even believe that Jesus resurrected with the same body. First they teach he was Michael the Archangel (a created being) before coming to earth as Jesus. Then they say he resurrected in a “spirit body”: In the book Let Your Name Be Sanctified they teach “Jesus was raised to life as an invisible spirit. He did not take up again that body in which he had been killed s a human sacrifice to God.” So don’t tell me that JWs believe in the resurrection!

    God the Father wouldn’t address Jesus as “my God” because God the Father has no God He worships. So your last statement is nonsensical and nothing more than a straw man.

    Doug wrote the truth — the Jehovah’s Witnesses is a cult, with a made-up Jesus who has no ability to save them from their sins.

    JWs use the term “Christendom” as a derisive term for REAL Christians. So ironic.

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  13. First of all, Glenn, Colossians 1:15 tells us that Jesus IS “the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;

    Or if you prefer, the KJV “Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:”

    Glenn, also check out Re 3:14 in the KJV, “And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;”
    Read Proverbs 8 and learn a little about Jesus’ pre-human existance, especially 22 – 36.

    answer me this, why does Jesus call almighty God his Father?

    If you would only humble yourself and be like the young children that Jesus used as an illustration to his disciples, you might actually learn some truths that make you want to check and see if the inspired expressions you have been taught are true and originate with God. Show me by means of the scriptures that anything I’ve said is false!

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  14. First, Proverbs 8 is NOT about Jesus. Just because some Christians have spiritualized the passage, that doesn’t mean they are correct. Proper exegesis shows that this passage is anthropomorphizing “Wisdom,” and it is about WISDOM the passage speaks. Not a person, but wisdom.

    Col. 1:15
    the primacy over all creation NIV
    the firstborn Son, superior to all creation CEV
    He is supreme over all creation JNT
    First-born and Head of all creation 20th Cent NT
    first-born Son who existed before any created thing Williams

    a. The Greek is prototokos, meaning first in rank, preeminent one, heir, and not protoktistos, which would mean “first created.” If Paul meant the latter, he would have so stated.

    b. i.e., the Son has all the rights belonging to the first-born, because of his preeminent position over all creation. The purpose is stated in verse 18.

    c. Just as the firstborn son had certain privileges and rights, so also Christ has certain rights in relation to all creation — priority, preeminence and sovereignty

    d. The term is often used in scripture to signify priority in importance or rank, rather than actual birth order ex: Ps 89:27 David is last-born son of Jesse, yet God makes him first-born.

    e. The title emphasizes the thoughts of priority and superiority, declaring the absolute pre-existence of the Son.

    f. Born or begotten before all creation or before any creature was made, which is the scripture-way of representing eternity. It signifies dominion over all things. He is so far from beginning himself a creature that he is the Creator.

    g. To Hebrews “firstborn” referred to the son who was preeminent positionally and heir to a double portion. In addition to the Psalms example (c), Jer. 31:9 calls Ephraim “first born”, but
    Manasseh was really Joseph’s first son. Other examples are Isaac vs Ishmael and Jacob vs. Esau.

    Rev. 3:14
    The ruler of God’s creation NIV
    The source of God’s creation CEV, GWN
    the Origin and Beginning and Author of God’s creation AMP
    the Ruler of God’s creation JNT
    the Head of God’s new order NT in Basic English
    The Origin of God’s creation NT in Lang. of Today

    a. The word translated as “beginning” has varied meanings as “beginning”, “power”, “magistrate”, and “ruler”. NWT translates plural at Luke 12:11 as “government officials”

    b. The first cause, the creator

    c. NWT mistranslates “of” to “by”. If Jesus really was the “beginning of the creation by God”, then Gen. 1:1 would have to read, “In the beginning God created his son.” The Greek word here is arch, which means “origin, source of”. It is the root of the English architect. Jesus is the origin or architect of God’s creation, not the first created object

    If YOU would humble yourself and leave the Watchtower publications behind and start studying the Bible without them, then you might realize just who Christ really is. Try reading Hebrews Chapter 1.

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  15. Glen, I find it sad that for example, the second verse of Heb. 1 clearly states that God now speaks to us through a “Son”, and that He “appointed” that son as the heir of all things. As far as Rev 3:14, the ancient Greek word is translated as beginning, just as it is at John 1:1. Since Jehovah God never had a beginning, before the time of the beginning, Jehovah must have been alone. However, since neither of us are experts of the ancient Greek language let alone all the proper definitions of each word we both rely on the publication we read so it’s futile to go that rout.

    What everyone today can understand and see clearly (unless we close our hearts and eyes) are the things that Jesus tells people earth wide to look for, namely, the fruitage our respective beliefs produce. Jesus clearly stated that you will recognize both those who obey and who don’t by the fruit they produce. Mat. 7:13 – 22
    Gods word also tells us exactly how Jehovah God will bless those who are taught by him as we draw near to his great and fear inspiring day. This blessing it mentions literally fulfills Jesus’ words at John 13: 35. Yes it was foretold at Isaiah 2: 1- 4, repeated by Micah and finally by Jesus and his disciples. A group of people around the globe who have separated themselves from the world and put on the new personality. They are fitly united in worship of almighty God, in spirit and truth and as such, Jehovah God has seen fit to set them free and bless them with peace as a people earth wide. Yes they love their fellow man enough to preach the good news about Gods kingdom throughout the world. Only Jehovah could accomplish that. No religion, organization or government has been able to unite a single neighborhood let alone millions world wide.

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  16. Zeny,
    Well, I posted this twice and it never showed up, now my last comment show so I’ll try again.

    Proverbs 8 is wisdom personified and has nothing to do with Jesus. Just because some Christians have spiritualized the passage by eisegesis, that doesn’t make them right.

    Now to look at your “proof texts”
    Col. 1:15 the first-born of all creation.
    the primacy over all creation NIV
    the firstborn Son, superior to all creation CEV
    He is supreme over all creation JNT
    First-born and Head of all creation 20th Cent NT
    first-born Son who existed before any created thing Williams

    a. The Greek is prototokos, meaning first in rank, preeminent one, heir, and not protoktistos, which would mean “first created.” If Paul meant the latter, he would have so stated.

    b. i.e., the Son has all the rights belonging to the first-born, because of his preeminent position over all creation. The purpose is stated in verse 18.

    c. Just as the firstborn son had certain privileges and rights, so also Christ has certain rights in relation to all creation — priority, preeminence and sovereignty

    d. The term is often used in scripture to signify priority in importance or rank, rather than actual birth order ex: Ps 89:27 David is last-born son of Jesse, yet God makes him first-born.

    e. The title emphasizes the thoughts of priority and superiority, declaring the absolute pre-existence of the Son.

    f. Born or begotten before all creation or before any creature was made, which is the scripture-way of representing eternity. It signifies dominion over all things. He is so far from beginning himself a creature that he is the Creator.

    g. To Hebrews “firstborn” referred to the son who was preeminent positionally and heir to a double portion. In addition to the Psalms example (c), Jer. 31:9 calls Ephraim “first born”, but
    Manasseh was really Joseph’s first son. Other examples are Isaac vs Ishmael and Jacob vs. Esau.

    Rev. 3:14 The Beginning of the creation of God
    The ruler of God’s creation NIV
    The source of God’s creation CEV, GWN
    the Origin and Beginning and Author of God’s creation AMP
    the Ruler of God’s creation JNT
    the Head of God’s new order NT in Basic English
    The Origin of God’s creation NT in Lang. of Today

    a. The word translated as “beginning” has varied meanings as “beginning”, “power”, “magistrate”, and “ruler”. NWT translates plural at Luke 12:11 as “government officials”

    b. The first cause, the creator

    c. NWT mistranslates “of” to “by”. If Jesus really was the “beginning of the creation by God”, then Gen. 1:1 would have to read, “In the beginning God created his son.” The Greek word here is arch, which means “origin, source of”. It is the root of the English architect. Jesus is the origin or architect of God’s creation, not the first created object.

    Hebrews Chapter one proves Jesus was never an angel as JWs claim.

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  17. Glenn – WordPress often puts comments in moderation and they don’t always get reviewed quickly. Don’t take it personally, as your comments on this topic are on target and edifying.

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  18. Manfred, I forgot to ask. Did my comment regarding the correct understanding of the passages Zeny posted make it to your in-box?

    In reply to Finnegan.
    I fully understand about moderation, and I’ve never been moderated out by Manfred. Which is why I said I thought there was a glitch.

    Perhaps you get moderated out because of your false teachings or your ad hominem attacks.

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  19. Glen, your understanding of Proverbs 8 is faulty. Verses 30 and 31 should give even the simplest minds a clue that what you are saying is not correct. That’s why I asked in my previous post to expound on the fruitage your faith / denomination is producing. Jesus stated that it’s by this all will know that you are truly his disciples. Words of faith and understanding can be deceiving.

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  20. Finnegan,

    I also am a non-Calvinist, but my discussion about that with Manfred was a long time ago and he did publish my comments, but I terminated the discussion. I consider Calvinism an aberration and not heresy, although if I remember correctly Manfred considers non-Calvinists to be heretics. I find that to be irrelevant.

    I don’t think Manfred is a bit afraid of discussion, since, as noted, I’ve previously discussed it with him. Perhaps your attitude was the problem.

    Zeny,
    My understanding of Proverbs 8 is 100% correct and as the writer intended it to be. All verses, including 30 and 31, are about wisdom personified. I have no idea when it first became spiritualized via eisegesis, but assigning the identity as Jesus is just plain erroneous.

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  21. Glen, I’m glad that you are so sure of yourself, however, I beg to differ Glen, your understanding of proverbs 8 falls way short. While it is true that it’s wisdom personified but it is made manifest in God’s creative works through his son. 1 Co. 8:6. Yes, just as God’s wise purpose involving mankind is made manifest through, and summed up in his Son, the Christ Jesus. Thus, the apostle could say that the Christ Jesus represents the power and wisdom of God and that Jesus Christ has become to us wisdom from God, also righteousness and sanctification and release by ransom. 1 Co. 1:24 & 30.

    I also notice that you haven’t mentioned a single ‘good fruit’ your Christian denomination has produced, and really, isn’t it by those fruits that Jesus said all will be able to recognize his disciples by?

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  22. Finnegan, since you reference my name, I feel I can comment on your post in reply. The “truths offered from scriptures” as you refer to Glens interpretation of Gods word, are just that, interpretations which are necessary to validate the way they choose to believe. That’s why they have all those words added to his translation of Jesus being the firstborn of all creation that are not in the word for word translation of the Greek scriptures. That’s fine and dandy. However, it isn’t the scriptures which give everlasting life, it’s Jehovah, the only true God, who gives that life through / by means of his only begotten Son.

    Jesus didn’t say that by their Bible acumen you will recognize them, (his disciples) did he? No, but, by the fruit they bear. Mat 7: 15-23 He also said by their love. John 13:34 & 35
    How does your or Glens denomination fair in this regard? Are they fitly united in every nation tribe and tongue in worship of the One Jesus calls “the only true God”? Have they separated themselves from the world so as not to continue in enmity with God? James 4:4; 1 John 2:15; 15:17-19
    Are it’s members involved in worldly politics or in support of one politician or another? Or perhaps involved in or support the military apparatus of the world in one way or another?

    Peter was inspired to write that in the final part of the days, there will come ridiculers, they mock and ridicule those who warn them of the imminent arrival of the “day of Jehovah”.

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  23. Zeny,

    First, I don’t belong to any denomination. I am Christian — period.

    Second, the Bible has nothing to say about fruits of denominations, rather it talks about fruits of teachers demonstrating why they are false teachers. And the JW is rife with false teachers preaching another Gospel and another Christ, for which Paul said such teachers should be eternally condemned. The JW leaders of the years have had numerous false prophecies, which identifies them as not being prophets of God but of Satan.

    The fruit of JW teaching is bondage, leaders who are pedophiles and sexual predators who are protected by their cohorts.

    Back to Proverbs 8 — you MUST practice eisegesis to get anything out of it other than the author’s intent of personifying wisdom. Your misunderstanding of the text is part and parcel of your misunderstanding of the Bible in general, as your explanations reflect the false teaching of the JWs.

    It isn’t my interpretation of God’s word, rather it is the interpretation which has been understood by Christians for 2000 years. JW’s found something “new” in the 19th century – and if it is new, it isn’t true; if it is true it isn’t new.

    You seriously abuse context. If “love” were the only way of knowing Jesus’ followers, then the LDS would be a true Christian faith because of their love and all their good works. Of course the JW have “works” also, but like the LDS, the JW believes the works are necessary for salvation, which is totally against what Scripture teaches.

    Demonstrate from Scripture where it says Christians should not be involved in politics, especially in a nation such as the USA where the people ARE the government. Show me from Scripture where it says Christians should not be members of the military.

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  24. Glen, you stated “Of course the JW have “works” also, but like the LDS, the JW believes the works are necessary for salvation, which is totally against what Scripture teaches.”

    However, you misconstrue the scriptures and tangle them up so strongly that it’s no wonder why the road you travel is so broad and spacious. The Bible clearly teaches those who want to know the truth, that, of coarse it’s only by the undeserved kindness (grace) of almighty God that anyone is saved but if your faith is true, the person will have works befitting such faith because just as the body without the spirit is dead, faith without works is dead. James 2:24 & 26. Your works is part of that fruitage I mentioned earlier.

    you stated ” Demonstrate from Scripture where it says Christians should not be involved in politics, especially in a nation such as the USA where the people ARE the government. Show me from Scripture where it says Christians should not be members of the military.

    I say that Jesus and the first century Christians never engaged in politics or any military, just read the Greek scriptures and show me where I’m wrong and I’ll show you where our lord, the head of the wheat of the Christian congregation instructs us to feed our enemies if they are hungry, give them drink if they are thirsty, to love them as you love yourself. Yes lest a man of the true God forget, his word reminds us that it is Jehovah who will re-pay, vengeance is his alone. As a matter of fact, he inspired his servant to write: “If anyone makes the statement:”I love God” and is yet hating his brother, he is a liar. For he does not love his brother, whom he has seen, CANNOT be loving God, whom he has not seen. And this commandment we have from him, that the one who loves God should be loving his brother also.” 1John 4:20, 21. Any supposed Christian who engages in a war apparatus is sprouted from the weed seeds spread through out the wheat field. Yes by our fruits we are recognized both individually and as a people dedicated to Jehovah.

    Every human being is created in the likeness of God. John 3:16 doesn’t say that God gave his only begotten son for the righteous ones of the world did he? No, it was because he loved everyone, he excluded no one. His desire is
    that all attain to repentance and be saved.

    Also, involvement in politics is putting hope in and supporting the ideas and actions of worldly people and their respective organizations to improve things and bring some sort of justice . True Christians know that the kingdom they pray for and have hope in is Gods kingdom and it’s going to crush every government on earth as well as their respective military and economic systems. If you believe the prophecies, why would you knowingly wan’t to be a part of what God’s kingdom is going to destroy? Jesus aptly stated why at Mark 4:11,12

    Again, Glen, you stated ” It isn’t my interpretation of God’s word, rather it is the interpretation which has been understood by Christians for 2000 years. JW’s found something “new” in the 19th century – and if it is new, it isn’t true; if it is true it isn’t new.
    You are correct, your interpretation isn’t new, it’s seeds were sown in the first century Acts 20: 29,30. Christians should know that Jehovah our God, inspired his servant Daniel to seal up the book until the “final part of the days”, “time of the end” (or however you want to translate it), and (isn’t that the times that we’re living in today?) it continues stating that many will rove about and accurate or true knowledge will become abundant? Yes a clearer understanding of Gods book that is being revealed during these last days leading up to the great and fear inspiring day of God, the almighty

    So discerning Christians should expected a change in understandings hidden for thousands of years and incline their hearts to reason as young children are inquisitive. The power of the church is not so powerful today so as to torture or kill those who along with prayer and meditation study and question what they were taught or hear. However, their motivation p must be from the proper source.

    If you don’t want to ask God if he used Jesus to personify wisdom, then you may want to ask him who it was that was installed from the start, glad (or rejoicing) before Him (Jehovah). The scripture states that “I was daily his (Jehovah’s) delight. And also that wisdom personified’s delights were with the sons of men. No, Glen, I perceive that you are such as are in need of milk. Heb. 5: 11-14.

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  25. Zeny-“You are correct, your interpretation isn’t new, it’s seeds were sown in the first century Acts 20: 29,30. Christians should know that Jehovah our God, inspired his servant Daniel to seal up the book until the “final part of the days”, “time of the end” (or however you want to translate it), and (isn’t that the times that we’re living in today?) it continues stating that many will rove about and accurate or true knowledge will become abundant? Yes a clearer understanding of Gods book that is being revealed during these last days leading up to the great and fear inspiring day of God, the almighty”

    Zeny, I would like to know in the world did you extrapolate from Acts 20:29-30 and Daniel 12:9 and deduce that it was okay for the WTS in the 19th century to embellish, and abberate from God’s word? You’re arguing from silence. Glen is correct that Orthodox Christianity has been preserved for 2000 years by God and God’s word even confirms this fact. So there’s nothing in the text that even remotely gives anyone the idea or even a hint that God gives the okay to alter his word.

    Hebrews 1:2 debunks your WTS eisegesis of the text. Hebrews 1:2 “but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.”- Concerning “has spoken” in Hebrews 1:2, “First aorist indicative of laleÇ, the same verb as above, `did speak’ in a (FINAL AND FULL REVELATION) 2000 years ago—- The full and final revelation of Scripture will not be embellished, superseded or antiquated through the entire period of church history until our Lord’s bodily return. God has spoken and we will be judged concerning our faith in and obedience to what He has said in Scripture. God forbids man to alter, adulterate, or ignore His written word.”!!

    Zeny, the Word of God is a living book and you are playing a dangerous game with the living God using polemics you’ve been taught by the Watchtower Society. Where’s your emphasis on proper exegesis and doctrine? It’s not there. You’re simply parroting what you’ve been taught and using false arguments that impugn the word of God.

    I’ve read many of your comments and conclude that the only place your polemics add up is in your own head

    The WTS have contorted the word of God-thus the severe curse God warns all who do this will be–Rev. 22:19 “And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.”

    Proverbs 30:6 “Do not add to his words, or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar.
    _____________________

    correction- Zeny, I would like to know (how) in the world

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  26. Zeny,

    You misconstrued my point about works. JWs, LDS, and other cults do works TO be saved, while real Christians do works BECAUSE we are saved. Big difference. Works have no value for salvation.

    So, because the Bible never speaks of Christians being involved in politics in the first century, that means Christians aren’t permitted to be involved in politics? Poor logic. First, Paul used his citizenship as a Roman for defensive purposes. Secondly, there was nothing political that Christians could do to affect politics other than trying to lead people to Christ, while in our country Christians have a say-so in the governmental system because of the type of government we have. Your opinion about what involvement in politics means is just that – your opinion with no Scriptural backing.

    The command about loving vs hating our brothers has to do with brothers in Christ. Those outside the church are not our brothers or sisters because they are not sons or daughters of the Lord.

    God used his people for war in the O.T. It certainly looks like God used nations to stop Hitler and his allies during WWII. But nowhere in Scripture were soldiers condemned. On the occasions the N.T. mentions military officials they all appear favorable (Matt. 8:5-13; Luke 3:14; Acts 10:1ff). No one told the soldiers to “go and sin no more,” but in Luke and Acts instructions were given on how to do right and to be acceptable to God in their military service. And how do you know that God hasn’t called people into military service? I suggest this article for your perusal: https://blogs.thegospelcoalition.org/kevindeyoung/2015/05/25/remembering-memorial-day-3/

    My understanding/interpretation of Scripture in our discussion is 100% correct. You only disagree with it because you interpret everything by the teachings of the JW cult. The only “clearer” understanding of Scripture the JWs have are false teachings which no one every found before.

    Wisdom is God’s daily delight because uses His wisdom to run the entire universe. You continue to practice eisegesis with Proverbs because it fits your theology rather than what the author intended.

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  27. Linda, the verses at Acts 20: 29 & 30 show that apostasy was within the Christian congregation in the latter part of the first century, so yes as Jesus’ illustration about the wheat and the weed seeds was indeed coming true. The weed seeds were sprouting and growing rapidly. That being said, the things God instructed Daniel to seal up until the time of the end could not and would not be understood until the appointed “time of the end”. The knowledge that was “sealed up” or kept from understanding would be revealed and would become abundant. In fulfillment of Jesus’ prophecy at Mat 24:14, this clearer understanding makes up part of the “good news of Gods kingdom”. Christendom has not opening it’s figurative heart and at least checking if the revealed clearer understandings originate with God but instead it rejects them because they don’t fit into their understanding and belief.
    Yes, in the same way that the Christ Jesus didn’t fit into the belief and understanding of the Jewish system of things at the times so was rejected. Jesus foretold that his disciples would suffer many of the same things, including rejected, especially in the last days.
    Yes, Christianity has been preserved for centuries and those who were faithful to the truth that was available during their lifetime, Jehovah will bless them. However, today, as the great day of Jehovah approaches, God has made known (at the proper time) precisely what his people need to survive that great and fear inspiring day which culminates in the war of Armageddon.
    Oh, isn’t it the orthodox Christians who are slaughtering each other in Eastern Europe? Bishops and other clergy aligning their sects with the different political ideologies and military’s?
    It’s painfully obvious who they are loyal to and how the only “true God” feels about their actions.

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  28. Glen, if you believe your own babble about what the witnesses of Jehovah believe then you know less about them then you know about the recipe for Coca-Cola. I guess you also have another translation or double talk to tell us that Mat. 5: 43-48 doesn’t mean what is says either ? The wholesale slaughter of Christians killing Christians in the 20th century alone totals in the tens of millions and continues in the 21st century as well and that isn’t enough for you to see that something serious must be broken. Those historical facts tell the story of weeds rather then wheat to anyone with an obedient heart. But, I’m sure you will find someway to justify it or evade it all together and instead focus on name calling etc. but it’s alright, that’s what Jesus told us to expect. Mat. 5:11; John 15:17-21

    Glen, may I ask you, since everything you know or have learned about the holy scriptures is 100% correct and you profess to be Christian, prove it ! Anyone can talk the talk, but how can you prove that you actually believe what you boast about knowing, for even the demons believe and shudder. Read, if you will James 2 :18-23.

    Jehovah has brought people from all the nations, tribes and tongues (and religions) and united them by the millions throughout this planet in the perfect bond of love for their brothers and for all mankind throughout the planet. He has united them in worshiping him in spirit and truth through his Son, the Christ. Among his people there are no sects, no divisions, yes they are completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought. 1 Co. 1:10. That is something only Jehovah could do.

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  29. Thanks for your kind reply Zeny

    Yet, Zeny, you’ve circumvented my question with eisegesis. Simply put it’s a Non Sequitur. You’re not reading (from) the bible, you’re reading (into) the bible text(s) by shoehorning the WTS own presuppositions, and agendas. What is the proper biblical interpretation of these texts? State your evidence to prove it by using proper deductive reasoning within the pericope of the passages.

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  30. Hello Linda, I would be careful as well for it’s entirely possible that you might be too intellectual for your own good. 1 Cor 1:19. For a certainty it’s good to get the sense of the scriptures but what good is it if you don’t respond to it. Like Jesus responded to some Jews who used worldly wisdom and reasoning telling him that their father was Abraham, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would be doing the works of Abraham”.
    Likewise, if Jesus is your father (1 Cor 11:3; Isa.9:6) you would be doing the works of Jesus, in fact, Christians are commanded to follow his steps closely. 1 Peter 2:21. If your orthodox Christianity did this, it wouldn’t be producing it’s rotten fruit. However you cleverly (in your own mind anyway) you strain out the gnat but gulp down the camel. But not to worry, the scriptures must be fulfilled such as 2 Tim. 2:16-18; Mat. 13:14 & 15; Luke 10:21-22.

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  31. Zeny, you’re dodging the question and grasping straws now. Please stick to the subject Zeny and do a faithful reading of the text-exegesis.

    Again, would you please explain how you arrived to the conclusion you have from Daniel 12:9 & Acts 20:29-30 that it was okay for the WTS 1900 years later to deviate from Orthodox Christianity and God’s final and full Revelation of Scripture? Let me remind you once again that Orthodox Christianity has been preserved for 2000 years by God and God’s word –Hebrews 1:2. Yet you seem to think that these verses were written 2000 years ago to the WTS before the WTS even existed. Where in Acts 20:29-30 is it talking about the WTS?

    Zeny, who was Paul talking to in Acts 20:29-30?

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  32. Zeny,

    You have no desire to learn the truth, rather your only desire is to convert people to you cult’s way of abusing Scripture to support their false teachings. You worship a Christ of your cult’s own making — a Christ who cannot save. You will die in your sins.

    I am going to follow the admonition of Titus 3:10: “A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject” — I am now rejecting you and will have nothing more to do with you because I need to be a good steward of my time.

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