The State of America! And the church??

There is nothing new under the sun as Solomon wrote in Ecclesiastes. Hear the ancient words of the patriarch Job found in the book of Job 21:7-16,

7 Why do the wicked live and become old, Yes, become mighty in power?
8 Their descendants are established with them in their sight, And their offspring before their eyes.
9 Their houses are safe from fear, Neither is the rod of God upon them.
10 Their bull breeds without failure; Their cow calves without miscarriage.
11 They send forth their little ones like a flock, And their children dance.
12 They sing to the tambourine and harp, And rejoice to the sound of the flute.
13 They spend their days in wealth, And in a moment go down to the grave.
14 Yet they say to God, ‘Depart from us, For we do not desire the knowledge of Your ways.
15 Who is the Almighty, that we should serve Him? And what profit do we have if we pray to Him?’

16 Indeed their prosperity is not in their hand; The counsel of the wicked is far from me.

9 thoughts on “The State of America! And the church??

  1. The American people are no different than those of any other pagan nation. Yes, PAGAN NATION. The real “roots” of what we have been lead to believe about the founding of our country are deep in the occult and pagan worship of false gods. George Washington was a PAGAN (commonly refered to as a Mason). Others were diests who had no concept of the salvation that Jesus came to give to man. The entire city of DC is laid out as a tribute to the Masonic/occultic ROOTS of our”founding fathers”. Ever notice the capitol dome from the inside? Every bit of it is a tribute to some false god. And the list goes on, endlessly.

    What we love to refer to as “freedom” is nothing more than a clever illusion. The only freedom that there really is can only be found in Jesus Christ. Now that the financial rug has been jerked out from under many of us, would we dare to claim that we are indeed free? Other so called freedoms have been stripped from us since 9-11.

    What if the dollar totally collapsed in the near future (as many say that it WILL)? What if martial law were declared and obama officially became the dictator he aspires to be?

    Enough already! Bottom line: AMERICA IS NOT SPECIAL IN THE EYES OF GOD. Only His chosen ones are. The arrogance needed to lift this country up to the heighths many would say we deserve is riveled only by the wicked one in his plans to be “like the Most High”. I have no doubt that God’s judgment is in store for America, but some have elevated that to a special status. It is more likely that we will be judged just like all the other PAGAN NATIONS of this world.

    No, we are NOT a Christian nation. WE NEVER HAVE BEEN!!!


  2. Here is a great quote! from Kim Riddlebarger on this particular issue taken from an article in the Modern Reformation Magazine.

    The point is that God is not an American. He is not Dutch or German. He is not Irish or Italian. We cannot invoke him as the king and defender of our nation, although his providential purposes may indeed be to preserve us and use our nation to further his mysterious ends. To invoke God as our national defender is an especially egregious example of using God to further sinful and proud human ends. While Israel could invoke the name of Yhwh as defender under the terms of the covenant God made with them at Mount Sinai, we cannot. It is that simple. – Kim Riddlebarger


  3. Couldn’t agree more DavidW, it’s depressing and seems like it’s getting worse. All around, the majority of Churches in America from all denominations have become captive to everything else but the Gospel!! I think Darryl M.Erkel hits the nail on the head:

    If the Gospel is truly “the power of God unto salvation” (Romans 1:16), why would we preach anything else? Why are so many sincere, but misguided Christians today, down-playing the centrality of the Gospel for a message of moral reform through political action? Have not our priorities become rather mixed? – Darryl M. Erkel


  4. The system isn’t broken…it is another system, or rather another’s system. Pyramid in nature, with Jesus as a mascot. Be thankful if you are fortunate enough to fellowship in a community that has Jesus as the Head/Shepherd, and an undershepherd as your minister, who recognizes that the sheep are not HIS SHEEP, but Christ’s.
    The fact is the vast majority of steeplehouses in Amerika are anything but part of the body of Christ. To dismiss this is to CHOOSE TO BE MISLEAD….PERIOD. Further, you would have to dismiss the Word of God in favor of the traditions of men. We have the leadership and the god’s we choose to follow…and God laughs at our futile attempt at being religious in our own eyes.


  5. Amen Darrel, The Desert Pastor, David, Leo and Mickey!

    There is a good 9 Hr. series called “The Secret Mysteries of America’s Beginnings” that can be found on Google Video. – Volume 1 – 2:45 – Volume 2 – 2:55 – Volume 3 – 2:51

    If you want the DVD’s they can be found at

    Even unbelievers can see it.

    Luke 16:8 And the lord commended the unjust steward, because he had done wisely: for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light.


  6. You know one can go crazy looking at the state of the church. So lets keep our eyes on JESUS, our hope of glory. Let every one who names the name of Christ depart from sin. remember you will stand alone on judgement day and give an account for yourself only, and no one else!!!


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