What do Mormons think about Islam?

Islam's Religion of Peace We’ve already seen what Mormonism has historically taught and believed about Christians (in spite of their current ecumenical, seeker-friendly image presented to the public). But what is the Mormon position on Islam, the religion of the sword? The following quotes may surprise you.

There had been men, doubtless many men in the various ages of the world, who had light and who had a degree of the Spirit of God. I believe myself that Mahomed, whom the Christians deride and call a false prophet and stigmatize with a great many epithets—I believe that he was a man raised up by the Almighty, and inspired to a certain extent by Him to effect the reforms which he did in his land, and in the nations surrounding. George Q. Cannon, 1883, Journal of Discourses, Volume 24 Page 371

The great religious leaders of the world such as Muhammad, Confucius, and the Reformers . . . received a portion of God’s light. Moral truths were given to them by God to enlighten whole nations and to bring a higher level of understanding to individuals. . . . Our message therefore is one of special love and concern for the eternal welfare of all men and women, regardless of religious belief, race or nationality, knowing that we are truly brothers and sisters because we are sons and daughters of the same Eternal Father. In an original letter From the First Presidency, Reference: Apocryphal Writings and the Latter-day Saints, C. Wilfred Griggs (editor), February 15, 1978, Page 29

Latter-day Saints accept all truth, wherever it may be found, as part of our religion—whether in the Quran or in other good books. David Stewart, 2003, Message of Friendship: Muslims and Latter-day Saints, Page 1

Latter-day Saints recognize Muslims as brothers and sisters, children of our Heavenly Father, with whom we can find much common ground. LDS Prophet and Apostle Gordon B. Hinckley stated: “we value our Muslim neighbors across the world.” Latter-day Saints respect the strong family values and moral accomplishments of Muslims as well as Islamic contributions to science, literature, history, philosophy, medicine, and the arts. David Stewart, 2003, A Message of Friendship: Muslims and Latter-day Saints, Page 1

Latter-day Saints recognize the terms God and Allah to refer to the same being in different languages. David Stewart, 2003, A Message of Friendship: Muslims and Latter-day Saints, Pages 1-2

Similarities can be found between the “Five Pillars of Islam” and LDS beliefs. David Stewart, 2003, A Message of Friendship: Muslims and Latter-day Saints, Page 2

Muslims strive to perform a pilgrimage to Mecca at least once in one’s lifetime. The travels of the early Latter-day Saint pioneers are in many ways comparable to those of devout Muslims. The sacrifices made by many LDS families to attend the temple at least once in a lifetime, and much more frequently, if opportunities allow, are in many ways similar to the sacrifices made by Muslim pilgrims to Mecca. David Stewart, 2003, A Message of Friendship: Muslims and Latter-day Saints, Pages 3-4

When one considers who the source of these two false religions is, it’s no wonder that Islam and Mormonism would have many striking similarities.

Mountain Meadows Massacre

34 thoughts on “What do Mormons think about Islam?

  1. WOW, they are more dangerous than I first thought!

    Well kind of 🙂

    Pilgrim great post- Thank you.

    Keeping on topic somewhat, in regards to cults etc I will be conducting my first ever interview on my blog.

    I will be interviewing Matt Slick from CARM.ORG today, and hoping to have the interview up in the next couple of days

    So please, come by and visit 🙂

    In Him,



  2. Enlightening post!

    It does seem that the father of lies is behind these two anti-Christic religions.

    One has the name Jesus Christ on it’s signage and the other does not.

    One openly murders, the other does not.

    But they both deny Christ as God which make them an equal danger for someone willing to follow them to hell.

    I hope you don’t mind, but I linked to this post on my site.



  3. May I ask what the point of putting that picture in the post was?

    Were you trying to make the point that, like Muslims, Mormons commit massacres?

    Of course, we know that Protestants never do that kind of stuff.




  4. Seth R.,

    Protestants may have done so, in fact, it is a part of their history unfortunately. However, there are many true believers like those of baptistic faith and doctrine who were ALWAYS the persecuted and no history has ever shown they massacred anybody. Baptists are still not protestants!


  5. Seth:

    I thought the point of the picture was blazingly obvious, but I will explain.

    The picture was not as you assumed to make the point that “Mormons commit massacres” (save the Mormon Mountain Meadows Massacre of course), it was simply to illustrate that this is what Mormons align themselves with when they are taught that Islam’s founder “was a man raised up by the Almighty.”

    And when LDS says “Latter-day Saints recognize the terms God and Allah to refer to the same being in different languages.” And “Similarities can be found between the ‘Five Pillars of Islam’ and LDS beliefs.”

    The picture is an accurate portrait of the legacy of the Religion of Peace that for centuries has been spread by the sword, and stands as a testament as to what Mormons find acceptable. Pretty revealing.

    – The Pilgrim


  6. Desert Pastor,

    You could say the exact same thing about Mormons.

    The majority of the spread of Islam was actually peaceful. The episodes of violence, like the Crusades, seem to have been the exception rather than the norm. I don’t see that the spread of Islam has been any more violent than the spread of Christianity.

    I know that you guys here don’t want to own that part of Christian history.

    Doesn’t matter. I still hold each of you personally accountable for it.


  7. Seth R.

    You speak from a position of gross ignorance. Mormons have not only persecuted others in their checkered history, but still do so today. Go find a former Mormon who has learned the truth of God’s Word and become a true believer. I could show you people who have been hounded (persecuted) for their faith by Mormons in the 21st century. History records that Mormons have killed those who disagree with them.

    As for Islam, again you have NEVER studied history if you believe the comments you made about the spread of Islam being peaceful in the majority. Islam is, was, and ALWAYS has been a religion of hatred and suppression. They have spread around the Middle East, Asia and Africa by the use of the sword because the Quran calls for it. Mohammed was a blood-thirsty man who killed all who got in his way. Islam is still persecuting AND killing true believers throughout the world today.

    I do not own a part of history that is false whether that be Mormon, Islam, or even Protestant that chose the sword over God’s way. Again, Baptists are not and never have been Protestants for they were not part of the Roman Catholic system.

    PS – How would you feel if we just go ahead and personally hold you accountable and responsible for the Mountain Meadows Massacre? After all, you do claim to be a Mormon and it was Mormons that performed the atrocities in that valley.


  8. Desert Pastor.

    You are so a Protestant.

    I know you would like to deny that, and claim instead “I’m not a Protestant – I’m just right.”

    But I’m afraid I can’t go along with you there.

    By the by, I seem to recall a lot of Southern Baptists were signing up for the KKK in large numbers at certain points. I believe they even had Baptist ministers reading from the Bible as they lynched black men from the nearest oak tree.

    But you don’t have a history of violence of course. Right?



  9. Seth,

    First, I don’t care what kind of Baptist a person claims to be. If they were involved in things like the lynching of people from African background, then they were neither a true believer in the Lord Jesus Christ, nor were they being honest to their historical roots. This is very much a statement unlike your church elders would teach you. For example, the Mountain Meadows Massacre was a fine example of Mormon indoctrination at its core. Those perpetrators were and still are considered to be Mormons. In fact, by the teaching of your religion, those men occupy places of honor in the celestial kingdom.

    Second, I am not a Southern Baptist and even the Roman Catholic Church recognized that people of baptistic faith existed long before the Reformation was even thought about and certainly long before Luther decided to bang a few nails into the door at Wittenberg. A Protestant was one who protested against the Roman church and came out from her. Unfortunately, most who claim to be Protestant Reformers never even fully left the harlot of Rome or her traditions but carried them away into their new denominations which is why many of them are now going back in the direction of Rome. Church history reveals the truth of what I have shared just as it reveals the truth of what man-made religion does to the heart of man.

    The Desert Pastor


  10. Anyway, you can’t hold anyone on this blog personally responsible for what happened because when people die what are you going to do? Will you try to span the grave to find whoever it is you’re angry at and make them pay for the sins of people that are already dead? I know you can’t do that because you will be too busy answering to God for your own sins if the Lord hasn’t saved you. Since you are NOT God, no one on this blog will have to answer to you for anything! That is pure arrogance speaking on your part and even if you were able to kill the body you still could do nothing with our souls!

    Matt. 10:28, “And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.”

    Luke 12:4-5, “And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.”


  11. Dear Seth:

    Let me try to make this as simplistic as possible, not because you can’t handle it otherwise, but because you are clouding the issue with gross misrepresentations.

    Imagine if you will, that I am your teacher and you are my pupil.

    First scenario:
    I give you a list of chores for the day that reads:

    1. Drop my suit off at the cleaners.
    2. Go to store to buy milk.
    3. Change the oil in the car.
    4. Check the mail.
    5. Feed the animals.

    But somewhere between dropping the suit off at the cleaners and feeding the animals, you decide to batter, rape, and murder an elderly woman in her home after you broke into it.

    Who’s to blame? The student, the pupil or both?

    Next scenario:
    I give you a list of chores for the day that reads:

    1. Drop my suit off at the cleaners.
    2. Go to store to buy milk.
    3. Burn down a house full of children.
    4. Check the mail.
    5. Feed the animals.

    Somewhere between the cleaners and feeding the animals you burn down a house full of children.

    Now who’s to blame? The student, the pupil or both?

    You see, Christians strive to follow the commands of Jesus Christ (one of the proofs that we love Him is if we follow His commands). He does not command us to take lives (especially in the advance of the Gospel).

    So if a man who professes to follow Christ commits murder, then only a fool would blame it on the man’s religion (see the first list of chores). That is, of course, unless that man’s religion teaches such behavior (see the second list of chores).

    Making the case that a murderer committed his wicked deed because he attended a Christian church and/or professed to be a Christian is just plain disingenuous and ignorant. It would be like blaming the Roman Catholic organization when a priest molests a child. As much as I’m opposed to the RC organization, it would be intellectually dishonest for me to claim the priests actions were brought about or predicated by his organization’s teachings.

    An even better example is if an LDS missionary visiting my home stole something from me when I wasn’t looking. I would be an absolute fool to blame his theft on anything other than him. If I dared blame his theft on LDS teachings then I’d be grossly misrepresenting LDS teachings and you’d be right to call me on that.

    Ah, but then there’s the other teachings of Mormonism in all its nakedness.

    Not only was the murderous ideals of madmen advanced by the LDS prophet Brigham Young (see here), but that wicked, blasphemous doctrine from Hell called Blood Atonement was also taught by others within the organization as well (see here).

    If you cannot be honest that there’s a difference between a student acting on his own volition apart from the direct instruction of his teacher, and the student who’s acting on his teacher’s instruction, then there’s no reason for you to continue wasting your time or our time on this blog.

    – The Pilgrim


  12. Well, I don’t see why, if you guys get to distance yourselves from the ugliness in your religious past, I don’t get to distance myself from mine.

    Seems like an awfully convenient, and one-sided worldview you’ve got going on.


  13. Well Seth, you have proven that you cannot listen to reason, nor comprehend the simplest of reasoning when presented in a form that even one with no religious background can understand.

    You can provide a million and one excuses for Mormonism’s blasphemies, false prophecies, murderous teachings, and racism, all the while trying to point the finger at anyone and anything you can. Your sad diversionary attempts are wearing thin. This only proves that you are unteachable, unreasonable, and ill-equipped to see past the indoctrination of your own organization. Because of this please know that there is no reason to bother leaving any further comments on DefCon. See 1-3 of DefCon’s Rules of Engagement.

    Thank you for your time.

    – The Pilgrim


  14. Interesting. I stumbled across this webpage, and now I feel like a ping-pong ball after reading these posts. I’d like to comment: 1st – I appreciate the Pilgrim’s “Lists of Chores” given as examples, but I think one thing was missing from the first list – “Do no harm.” 2nd – JESUS did not come to establish a denominaton, but to estabish His Church. It is only due to man’s sinfulness that His Church became what it is today – fractured and frought with prideful men and women who want to be gods (do things their way) rather than bow to the One and Only. Romans states that “No man is righteous, not even one.” That tells me that we’re all sinners (saved or not.) God gave each of us the gift of choice. We also have the Bible (divinely inspired writings of God, transcribed by many who were actually present at historically, archeologically proven prophesied events, unlike the Q’uran or the Book of Morman.) The Bible directs my steps. Nowhere in it does it tell me to go kill someone who does not believe the way I do. In fact, it tells me NOT to kill. And, in fact, it tells me to LOVE my enemies. AND, again, it tells me to forgive, for as I forgive, I will be forgiven. To top that off it tells me not to JUDGE… Seth? Who are you to judge a man, or hold accountable any man for his sins, let alone the sins of men long dead? Are you God?

    I was horrified to read the excerpts of David Stewart’s comments regarding the Mormon position on Islam. I only wonder how many LDS members are really aware of the stance their leader has taken on their behalf.


  15. Seth,

    The episodes of violence, like the Crusades…

    …if you guys get to distance yourselves from the ugliness in your religious past, I don’t get to distance myself from mine.

    Ah yes, the Crusades. A favorite card played by those who desire to sully Christians.

    Seth, did you not learn through your comprehensive studies of the Crusades that the Crusades were in response to 400 years of jihad in Europe by the ‘religion of peace’?

    Do you know what happened to Christians in Europe who then found themselves under Islamic rule?

    Did you learn that the Islamic cancer had spread all the way to Spain before the Crusades turned the tide?

    Did you learn this, Seth?


    Yeah keep playing that card, Seth.

    Before you do, though, go back to school.

    In Christ,
    – Jeff H


  16. Then there is the little matter of the Hagia Sophia. I guess the Christians holed up within her walls had done some evil that made the Moslem hordes desecrate it and turn it into a temple for the worship of a false, pagan ‘god.’


  17. More on Hagia Sophia:

    Ooops. Wrong link. Sorry.

    This is what I meant to link to:

    “. . . the great church of Hagia Sophia was filled to capacity. Thousands of people were moving towards the church. Inside, Orthodox and Catholic priests were holding liturgy, the last Christian service after almost 1,000 years. People were singing hymns . . . .

    “Bands of Ottoman soldiers began now looting. Doors were broken, private homes were looted, their tenants were massacred. Shops in the city markets were looted. Monasteries and Convents were broken in. Their tenants were killed, nuns were raped; many, to avoid dishonor, killed themselves. Killing, raping, looting, burning, enslaving, went on and on . . . .

    “The great doors of Hagia Sophia were forced open, and crowds of angry soldiers came in and fell upon the unfortunate worshippers. Pillaging and killing in the holy place went on for hours. Similar was the fate of worshippers in most churches in the city . . . .

    “Thousands of civilians were enslaved, soldiers fought over young boys and young women . . . the invaders broke the heads of those women who resisted on the floor of the churches and they raped them dead. The famous icon of Apostole Loukas was totally destroyed.

    “The sultan asked for the young sons of Duke Loukas Notaras. Their father refused and Mehmed was ready to take their heads. Notaras asked him to kill him after his sons so that he was sure that they were dead and not disgraced from the perverted sultan.

    “And this is what happened.”

    Black Tuesday, The Last Day of the World, the twenty-ninth of May, anno Domini MCDLIII


  18. Every country that has been affected by Islam and the imposition of Sharia, Islamic Law based on the book dictated by Mohammad from mostly borrowed half remembered Judeo-Christianity and Pagans in the areas of Mecca and Medina in present day Saudi Arabia. Other than what he borrowed of these religious systems at the time, he added verses known as Suras to the Qu’ran that justified his actions because Allah, Arabic for God, told him to do it.

    Sharia Law is based on the Qu’ran, mostly the latter suras written to justify his and his followers robbery, plundering, lying, raping, subjugation and murder of any who would not submit to his rule and to Islam.

    In Muslim majority countries, predominantly in the Middle East, the imposition of Sharia Law is the cause of almost all the political/social turmoil that exists in the world. There is no peace in Islam whose goal is world domination. As Islam is spread through deception such as stating Islam is a religion of peace (the exact opposite is true and link is below), relocation to non-Muslim majority countries and higher birthrates, the violence and turmoil within the targeted country increases dramatically. Examples of this is are the increasing violence, riots, murders in France and Great Britain.

    Here is the right and correct explanation of the suras that encourage violence in the name of Islam, not the lying (known as Taqiyya, lying to advance the cause of Islam) of Islamic apologists:


    Here is documented examples of the violence, political and social upheaval done in the name of Islam from all nations all over the world.



    This is what all Christians, including LDS Christians need to understand about the religion of the deceiver. The qu’ran, hadith, sunnah and sunnat, are filled with hate, violence and pure evil. True Islam is al-Qaida. There is no radical or fundamental Islam. There is only Islam and non-active Islam, Muslim or non-active Muslim. When Obama and Bush said Islam was a religion of peace and bin Laden said it was a religion of war, it was bin Laden being truthful and the presidents either deceived or lying.


  19. And yet the Mormon Apostle George Cannon said of this Mohammed–the inventor of Islam–

    Mahomed, whom the Christians deride and call a false prophet and stigmatize with a great many epithets—I believe that he was a man raised up by the Almighty, and inspired to a certain extent by Him

    If you believe Mohammed was such an evil man (which he indeed was), and if Islam is the religion of violence as you say it is (and indeed it is), then it is rather odd to me that you would defend a religion that tolerates their teachings, and whose inventor referred to himself as a “second Mahomed”–

    “I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword.’ So shall it eventually be with us—‘Joseph Smith or the Sword!’” (Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, p. 230–231.)


  20. They obvious were wrong and deceived. No man is at all times able to escape the influence of the deceiver or our own sinful nature. I am a sinner and will die a sinner, deserving eternal darkness, BUT, through His grace and His Atonement, I am forgiven and have the promise of eternal life. It is not something I earned or deserve. It is His gift to all those who choose to accept it.


  21. Paul:

    Should we be expecting an announcement from the LDS church stating that these LDS men were “wrong and deceived?”

    And if these men were “wrong and deceived” in this matter (directing others to accept the false religion of Islam as legitimate) what other areas of great importance might these men be wrong about?


  22. And yet some of the men who made these comments were supposed to be “prophets”. Can you imagine Isaiah or Ezekiel or Daniel being “wrong and deceived” on matters of who God is, and who false prophets were? I don’t think so. Yet the LDS trumpet these men as being “prophets of God”. If the LDS believe that these are the kinds of men whom God calls to be prophets, and that they receive no correction from God, then the LDS worship a truly pitiful and pathetic “God”.

    We here, however, worship the God who calls Islam a religion of the devil, and who calls “accursed” those who preach a different gospel–such as the Mormon “gospel”, which is no gospel.


  23. I highly doubt an announcement will be forthcoming from the LDS. But that is to be expected. No man wants to announce an error, especially a serious error. You may consider my statement to be the closest you’ll hear to an official announcement. And, I am in 100% agreement with the statement Islam is a religion of the adversary because it is. He has gone about roaring like a lion and devouring the lost souls of billions, including the present 1.3 billion lost in the darkness of Islam alive today.


  24. *** (2Corinthains 4:3-4) So if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are dying.
    (2Cor 4:4) In their case: –> the god of this world [Satan] –> has blinded the minds of those who do not believe –> to keep them from seeing: –> the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, Who is the image of God. [Colossians 1:12-to-19]
    “ISLAM: ‘Religion’ or ‘Political’ or ‘OTHER?’ – 101” …Blog.


  25. The bible originates back 2000 years ago.It was inspired by God and written by people directly inspired by God,not via a third party(angel).600 years later,after Jesus and by that time the bible was tested,and proved and many heathens had already been converted to Christianity,a bloke whom by own confession was a descendant of Ismael,called Muhammad,proclaimed himself a prophet.He claimed he had a visit by the angel Gabriel,and that Gabriel revealed to him a new,and correct religion.The holy bible was falsified by Christians,Jesus was just another prophet and that the Holy Spirit was Gabriel,and that his god allah is the only god.Now an angel of the Lord(unknown name)told Hagar in the desert ,Genesis 16:12 He will be a wild donkey of a man;his hand will be against everyone and everyones hand against him,and he will live in hostility towards all his brothers”.Strange that almost everywhere in theworld there is conflict Muslims are involved,
    Muslim against Muslim and Muslim stronly against Christians.
    Now Galathians 1:8 “But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you,let him be eternally condemned!”
    Now Muhammad wrote his own bible the Quran,he distorted the holy bible,contradicting Relevation22:18-19,where John warns against adding or removing words described in this book,refering to the holy bible.
    About 1700 years later another bloke called Joseph Smith appeared on the scene claiming to had a revelation given to him by an angel Moroni.Now this Moroni does not appear anywhere in the Christian bible.This bloke also distorted the bible,and he wrote his own book,book of the Mormons.
    This man has a very dubious history.The same arguments against Islam is valid to the Mormons as well.The fact that both parties put up such a wonderful front is just a devillish disguise.


  26. Raymond, good thing it wasn’t an “angel of light” who started Mormonism – but rather God the Father and Jesus Christ himself appearing directly.

    So your “angel” argument doesn’t really help anything.

    I suppose by your logic, the virgin Mary wasn’t supposed to believe the angel Gabriel when he arrived either.


  27. John 1:18 “No man has seen God at anytime,the only begotten God,who is in the bossom of the Father,He has explained Him” John 6:46 “Not than any man has seen the Father,except the One who is from God.He has seen the Father” 1 Timothy 6:16 “who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light,whom no one has seen or can see”Therefore the angel argument is valid.
    Now Gabriel told Mary she was going to bear a son and she should call Him Jesus.Gabriel did not advocate a new religion to Mary .Also at that time Christianity had not begin either,so there were no preachers/apostles to teach the people.Jesus started Christianity and only after that Paul warned us about the angels teaching other things.


  28. Well, we’re golden then. Because Moroni didn’t “advocate a new religion” for Joseph Smith. Merely a restoration of the original. So that line of argument doesn’t work here either.

    As for your use of John 1:18 –

    Early Christian author Irenaeus wrote in A.D. 180 that this scripture should be read “For “no man,” he says, “hath seen God at any time,” unless “the only-begotten Son of God, which is in the bosom of the Father, He hath declared [Him].”

    Irenaeus, “Against Heresies,” in Chapter 6 Ante-Nicene Fathers, edited by Philip Schaff (Christian Literature Publishing Co., 1886)1:427.

    Meaning that through the mediation of Jesus Christ – you can actually see God. Irenaeus, being a comprehensive student of the scriptures was fully aware that the Bible has repeated instances of righteous people seeing God:

    Acts 7:2, 55-56
    Genesis 17:1; 18:1; 32:30
    Exodus 3:6; 19:11; 33:11; 24:10-11
    Numbers 12:7-8
    1 Kings 9:2; 11:9
    Isaiah 6:1, 5
    Deuteronomy 5:4; 34:10
    Hebrews 11:27
    Job 42:5; 33:26; 19:26
    Ezekiel 1:1; 8:1-4
    Revelation 22:4

    Furthermore, by adopting this interpretation, Irenaeus harmonized John 1:18 with the rest of the Bible, and with the qualifications that the Bible lays out for seeing God. Here are the requirements:

    1. Must be “of God” “Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.” (John 6:46.) Some will argue that only Jesus “is of God”, but that position is unscriptural. Moses too was “of God”(Deuteronomy 33:1), as well as Samuel (1 Samuel 9:10), Shemaiah (1 Kings 12:22), and Elijah (1 Kings 17:24).

    2. Must have “peace and holiness” within you “Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which, no man shall see the Lord” (Hebrews 12:14.)

    3. Must be pure in heart “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God” (Matthew 5:8.)

    Those who meet those requirements might not see God, but are qualified to do so, according to the Bible. The idea of seeing God is all over the Bible. It is the modern Evangelical interpretation of John 1:18 that is the unbiblical and historically odd interpretation.


  29. Anyone else notice how often false teachers claim they aren’t teaching something new, but a “restoration of the original”?

    When I look up the thread, I see that Pilgrim told Seth R not to comment anymore. Interesting that he came back….


  30. I just commented because I kept getting comments on this thread in my email inbox – some of them directed at me. All my comments go through the moderator’s queue. I imagine if they were objectionable, they wouldn’t be approved.


  31. Seth R is corrupting the scriptures.However he answered the debate himself.”Restoration of the original”.The rest of the Mormon doctrine is false,why would God change His original teachings?The book of Mormon has been changed so many times,yet Joseph Smith called it the only true book.I conclude this conversation here.


  32. Seth, for the time I have approved your comments. However, if you continue straw man arguments of the past, or fail to follow the Rules of Engagement (a caution I give to everyone), then you will not allowed to post any further.


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