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Spiritual Shipwreck of the Word-Faith Movement – Part 2

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Name: Mark Escalera - (formerly The Jungle Missionary) Blog: DefendingContending.Com Ministry: I am a sinner saved by grace, and learning every day how much more I need the Lord directing my life. In a graceless world, my desire is to show to others the grace that has been extended to me. Have been married for almost 25 years and we have been blessed with five children with the oldest three serving in the US Air Force. My passion is seeking to minister the precious life-giving Word of God to those dead in trespasses and sins! Humbled that He would choose me as one of His children! Preferred translation: English Standard Version (ESV) Currently studying: Psalms Currently reading: The Attributes of God by A.W. Pink

9 comments on “Spiritual Shipwreck of the Word-Faith Movement – Part 2

  1. I like most of what Peters has to say. I don’t like that he says there is no more healing. Anyone who’s been healed of depression or alcoholism, etc.

    I don’t believe in the kind of healing being sold to the masses for a price. I believe in the kind that is divine and does not require a man’s hand on ones forehead, knocking you down to the ground.

    I also believe there are types of healing that we won’t see in our physical bodies. I believe there are some things that are simply a fact of living in a fallen world.. but God (my God) supplies all of our needs in spite of physical weaknesses. In fact, His strength is made perfect in our weakness.

    I think Justin Peters is a beautiful example of that.

  2. Hi Steffie, nice to hear from you again. I think you may have misunderstood Peters because he does believe that God heals but that it is not a guarantee of physical healing. Also, he does not believe that any person has the gift of healing like the apostles did for a short time.

  3. Ahhh, yes, so he believes as I do basically. That healing is a God prerogative, not a prerogative or “gift” of men like Benny Hinn and so forth. Thanks for that explanation.

    I’m a very avid Justin Peters follower in that I’ve listened to most of his material multiple times. When I heard this time (first time I noticed it) that he didn’t believe in the “apostolic” gifts, including healing, I took it to mean something different than the actual gift of healing.

  4. Interesting that he offered no scriptural proof that the gift of healing is no longer available to the church. Just as he offered no scriptural reference that there are no more Apostles.

  5. I also had the questioning at first concerning the gift of healing but in the conclusion he clears it out and that gifts still rest with God, i still believe that our Lord Jesus Christ can give these gifts to his chosen ones, have faith brothers and sisters you never know what gift God might bestow upon you

    But am glad he cleared the image on false tongues, its spreading everywhere, it made me stop attending my last bible study group after one of the leaders started praying in a strange tongue.

  6. Alan, here are reasons why there are no apostles today, i.e. no successors to the apostolic office.

    First, an apostle must be a witness of the resurrected Christ. Paul was the last, when He saw Christ on the Damascus road and also in Corinth. In 1 Corinthians 9:1, Paul said, “Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord?” In 1 Corinthians 15 he gave a list of those who saw the resurrected Christ, which he rounded up with himself in v8, “And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.”

    Second qualification for apostleship is to be personally called and commissioned by the Lord Jesus Christ.

    Third qualification is to be given a supernatural revelation of the truth. Ephesians 3:3, Paul writes, “How that by revelation he (i.e. Christ) made known unto me the mystery.”

    Fourth qualification is the power of God to declare His Word with authority and infallibility. When the early church had the New Testament books compiled, apostolicity was a test for canonicity because only an apostle had the authority and infallibility to declare God’s revelation.

    The fifth qualification is the power to perform miracles. In 2 Corinthians 12:12, Paul declares, “Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds.”

    These are the Scriptural reasons.

  7. So where does it say in the scriptural references you provided that Apostles cannot exist today? All you are showing me are the qualifications of Paul. Where does it say this will cease at some point in church history? And I repeat, where did Peters offer any scriptural proof that the gift of healing no longer exists, but other gifts do?

  8. I have cited Scriptural qualifications for apostleship that are revealed to us in the text, and I do not need to go beyond that. None today meet all of the biblical qualifications. None today speak with the same authority and infallibility as those whom the Lord had called and commissioned. None today who claim to be “apostles” have the tacit and implicit acceptance of the church as those that were first called.

    Ephesians 4:11-13 give the list of gifts that the Lord gave to His church: the list begins with apostles as the first gifts. This list is historical in terms of the gifts given, as most would read it. The apostles were the first gifts to the church.

    As for the gifts of healing, God is the giver. He heals according to His will, and always for His glory and purpose. Christians can rest in the sovereignty of God for healing, or otherwise. To be healthy is not a God-given right to be demanded. There are enough examples stated in Scripture that give ample proof of that.

    In any case, we are discussing the gifts of an apostle: instead of asking for Scriptural proofs to the contrary, you need to demonstrate from Scripture why the gifts of healing attributed to apostles are extant today. The cessasionist position is that there are no more apostles, hence no more apostolic gifts. The results of “apostolic gifts” have to be proven as convincingly as those that were performed by the twelve whom Christ called, don’t you think?

    It is always safer to hold tightly to revealed Scripture than to extrapolate from Scripture.

  9. like alan I do not the scriptural reasons for apostles and healing not existing today…. i’m unsure of why you believe that you do not go beyond that in order to be clear in your message. i would think the more scripture the better…

    lastly i’m not saying that i believe there are apostles alive today, or that i’ve seen healing that i’m completely comfortable with… what i am saying is that we should not put God in a box or paradigm that God didn’t create.. the qualifications you listed are great, your evidence for its discontinued existence today is not so great. but i respect you and your opinion, i hope you respect mine to disagree.

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