Some much needed clarity on the whole Chick-Fil-A circus.
It irks me that the “soup kitchen” card gets played. I’d be genuinely curious to find out the average proportion of the takehome salary the average atheist gives to charity compared to what a christian gives to their church, and thereby to the outreach programs. It isn’t as direct and only some of that money goes to the poor, but there is a goodly amount of self sacrifice. My life would be more comfortable if i wasn’t directly giving to two missionaries and my church. Extra money on the mortgage, extra cash for a nicer holiday…
This is before we get into the issue of how many charities for the poor and marginalised were set up by christians.
Eat Mor Chikin!
God-haters think they know how Christians are to live. Too many professing Christians allow the God-haters to set the agenda for the church and we end up with social gospel outposts rather than biblical churches.
I read this earlier and left it, because what’s the point in commenting? It would have been good to have the scripture references for helping out at food banks and for the homeless.
The one that comes to mind, is in Matthew 26:11, “For you have the poor with you always…”
The obvious bias shows through in all we do, whether or not we are for or against something, it shows.
You seem to be against supporting Chick Fil A, because it is a business and not a charity. The fact is, you don’t have to be a Christian to give to a food bank or the homeless. Who says all those standing outside are Christian? Its assumed, not known. And why not offer support?
I do financially support missionaries, because I believe in what they are doing.
I just think this time, you have reached an all time low.
doreen – to whom is your comment addressed?
I am embarrassed to admit it….but I was a bit confused. Is the first photo directed at non-christians and the second toward Christians?
The second picture (which has torqued so many) was supposed to be (at least I thought) a reminder that as Christians we should be about the Father’s business. Preaching the gospel, caring for the sick, the widowed, the orphan, etc.
I know many Christians give and help behind the scenes, but sadly, and as usual, the world only sees us as protesting this, against that, boycotting this, buycotting that. As good as supporting free speech is (I am not opposed to supporting the restaurant), how many of us would put that much effort into helping the poor, the widowed, the orphan, etc.?
It has been my experiences in the past that if you announce in church the need for help in a ministry, a trickle of help comes in if it comes in at all. However, when movie night, game night, the church picnic, or the daddy daughter dance comes around, watch out that you don’t get trampled by the crowd busting through the church door.
When I saw the second picture, I admit, I felt a conviction (can’t say Amen, say ouch). I am in no way pointing a finger here at anyone. I am disappointed that no one has seen as it was intended,but perhaps that was my fault for not explaining it better.
While I got the subtle (?) message from the two pix in this thread, I’ll still withhold my comment. Mine don’t really matter anyway in the big picture.
Just wanted to let everyone know, in case you don’t already know, that apparently today is “Kiss-in Day” at Chick-fil-A restaurants. This organized “event” is in direct response to the President and COO of the chain’s conviction on Biblical marriage, and will have sodomites galore kissing one another in full view of the waffle-fries-eating patronage. Somebody call the cops!
I think this is an excellent post; makes one think… and will hopefully bring conviction!
An “all time high” in my opinion!
I am curious to know if someone reading this can respond to this question?
How many Chick – fil- A’s were destroyed by natural disasters that have swept through the nation over the last several years?
Does God discriminate in favor of protecting a Chick – fil – A building, not bringing utter destruction to it and not protecting another business established on the same block?
I understand your point, Pilgrim.
I *do* think there is a need to stand up against the homosexual acceptance agenda…otherwise we are a nation of people who just calls good evil and evil good. I think this wasn’t done in a malicious, unkind way so I don’t know that there was anything wrong with it (supporting the restaurant). I, myself, have never been to a Chick-fil-A…and I am not sure if I would have gone to one if I lived near one. But staying completely silent about things that God abhors isn’t good either. I am glad to see that not *everyone* has succumbed to the tolerance of evil view.
As James White says here: http://aomin.org/aoblog/index.php?itemid=5188 He doesn’t accept the homosexual “community”…just as he doesn’t accept pedophilia, beastiality, or abortion. You can still love others and completely disagree with their agenda.
I know that we are called to help the widow, poor and orphans…but there *is* a lot of that that does happen from pure Christian hearts that isn’t touted all over the news. Of course, there is more each of us can do….but for example, me…my ministry is to be at home tending to the needs of my family and home. In this season of life, I am not out at soup kitchens or out in public doing things for others. We help monetarily and do things for people when we can (meals, donations, prayer etc.)…but the majority of what does happen goes unnoticed. So, as I do see your point Pilgrim and feel the conviction myself…the generalization of it all seems more condemning than admonishing.
I’ve seen more than a few comments on various ranting that Christians should have been helping the homeless and feeding the poor rather than showing support for Chick-Fil-A. What they forget is that supporting traditional marriage so children are raised with a mother and a father is the most effective way to fight homelessness and poverty. http://coldcasechristianity.com/2012/same-sex-marriage-human-rights-and-social-justice/
Thanks for the reply. The post is about balance. Let me explain.
I am not stating that we should remain silent about evils in our society, but there needs to be a balance. Are we known for our gospel or for what we’re against? Sadly, I believe I have been known for what I’m against for far too long.
I also know that not everyone can do all things. We’re all in unique positions and we should be faithful in those places God has called/put us.
But the point still stands, if we as Christians (myself included), were as fired up about the proclamation of the gospel as we get about matters such as this, what a difference we can make.
And finally, if at the end of the day I’m the only one convicted by this and am the only one to pause and reflect on where my convictions and priorities may lay (for good or bad), then that’s ok, it probably isn’t the first (nor will it be the last) time a post was meant for me more than others.
I’m just wondering how many that supported Chick-fil-a yesterday will return today to share the Gospel with the homosexuals that are protesting there today.
This is a tough one for sure. I have a hard time seeing how buying food from a chick fast food joint is suddenly how we are to represent the gospel. This is much more of a political issue than a Gospel issue. It is more about freedom of speech and a cultural battle than about the gospel. We don’t even know how many of those who showed up in support were Christians.
I think both of these blogs help us think through it all:
I’m not willing to make the mascot of the Christian Church a chicken sandwich.
It’ll be interesting to see where this all goes.
I’ll be leaving in a few minutes for Chick-fil-A! As many here have already written, we have no idea how many of those who showed up Wednesday were indeed Christians! But it will be a good opportunity to get the gospel out to everyone; Christian or otherwise! Will you join me?
Just a thought here: I think about the whole rallying around Chick-Fil-A situation a little differently. The COO was responding to a question about marriage, and the entire homosexualist movement went into an attack mode. The difference between what is happening to the COO and what happens to Christians in Iran is different, but only in terms of degree of response. The same mentality and motive is there – to silence the truth.
Hence, I would argue that the buycott is THE proper response for Christians to take part in because it is ultimately about rallying around a fellow Christian under attack for standing up and speaking God’s opinion on marriage. It is a message that he is not alone. Based on the reactions of the homosexualists and their sycophants, that message has been received loud and clear.
I completely agree. If we had such passion about sharing the gospel as we do other things/ways we get fired up, the world would be a better place!
You nailed it sister!
072591 – I agree with you vigorously!
Of the early church it was said they turned the world upside down. Of modern christians it seems the only thing we’re downing is processed chicken sandwiches.
Thanks Pilgrim for posting. A prideful laodecian church will claim chic-fil-a support day was a major victory for them. Sadly, for most of them, it is the greatest ‘victory’ in their professed christian life. Jesus help us. If only the true saints would see what absolute tools they are being made by the ungodly christian right we might have revival. Get back to obeying 1 Corinthians 5 and judging the sins in your own church (divorce and remarriage, greed) and stop trying to act rightouss by fighting a culture war Jesus never asked you to fight. Again, it could be said of us that the weapons of our warfare are carnal and mighty for pulling down boycotts. One last thought, if we care about traditional marriage so much, why not fight to pass legislation to make divorce illegal?
I think we should get back to preaching the Gospel and caring for the poor (which is an obvious offense to so many professing christians even on this thread).
Luk 16:13 No servant can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.”
Luk 16:14 The Pharisees, who were lovers of money, heard all these things, and they ridiculed him.
The evangelicals who are lovers of money, excuse divorce and remarriage, and focus on one or two pet sins also ridicule such talk. God bless all, no offense meant and sorry if it sounds like a rant but I am typing fast. I am also not sticking up for the perverse homosexual agenda. Don’t imply any more than I wrote. Test all things against scripture. The christian right is part of the harlot church system. When they say things like “we need to defended biblical marriage” the “we” they are talking about includes mormons and catholics. Remember that too.
In Christ -Jim
I have to agree with abidingthroughgrace in this one–”This is a tough one for sure. I have a hard time seeing how buying food from a chick fast food joint is suddenly how we are to represent the gospel.”
When Homedepot began promoting homosexual agendas It’s the same way.. Do I want to “boycot” or stand in lines outside thier store with signs that i’m against their stance and don’t go to home depot?
NO! Now I don’t go there and shop since I found out what they promote. To me it’s the same thing with Chick-Fil A….
BTW From what I’ve read on the Sola Sisters blog, —”the CFA has pretty strong ties with Rick Warren”
“divorce and remarriage”
I should have put my disclaimer that this is not to condemn any true believer who is dealing with a divorce and remarriage in the past. I am talking about this happening openly in the evangelical church with not much of a word said (dont want to offend the tithers) yet so much energy on trying to make lost homosexuals act like believers.
Also, love the willy wonka picture… this militant homosexuality is hypocritical, deceitful, and perverse to the core. To see the lostness of these people should be truly heartbreaking. Our indifference to the lost and (gasp) to the physical needs of the poor may be the greater scandal in the eyes of God than any homosexual agenda though. Standing in line for hours to buy a chicken sandwich can’t cover up the shame of a laodecian church age that Jesus will spew from His mouth like vomit. What a criminal indifference today to the lost, the poor, and the instructions we are given in the word of God in how to conduct ourselves. To echo what I said earlier, Jesus help us (including me).
in Christ -Jim
I agree 1000% with flee Babylon. Besides, from what I’ve been learning at this site thus and wiki, Calvinists believe grace comes before repentance. so shouldnt people be focusing on individualized outreach and less on showy demonstrations
micheal asked: “Does God discriminate in favor of protecting a Chick – fil – A building, not bringing utter destruction to it and not protecting another business established on the same block?”
“For he [God the father] makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.” – Jesus
Pilgrim, Thank you for posting. I agree with you completely. Although there is nothing wrong with supporting Chik Fil A or boycotting stores like Home Depot; how much better is our time spent serving others and glorifying our Savior? It is very easy for us as believers, myself definitely included, to serve our Lord only when it is convenient and only when very little “suffering” is involved. This was very convicting to read.
Hi all. Maybe I’m not clear on some things but I believe very strongly that comparing the CFA appreciation day move with serving at a homeless shelter is a terrible mix-up of issues. Two seperate things are being referred to here.
If a fellow Christian is being lambasted for sticking up for the biblical marriage values that is being trampled on so heavily in these days and other Christians decide to show their support to him, is that now the time to bring out the scorecard on how much (or little)’charity’ has been done by Christians? Would you rather they sat back and let the gays and co tear him and his business into pieces for standing for godliness?
Yes, Christians have not had a perfect record when it comes to general charitable efforts, but does that mean they cannot lend their support to other appropriate causes? Or is the grouse because its a business?
I personally feel American christians need to put their foot down very strongly against this wave of homosexuality threatening to swallow their land and throw them into demonic darkness. And when opportunities to do so arise, they must not let petty details like whether it is a business or even a small-town church involved, or the state of their ‘charity score card’ prevent them from doing so. A love for God and a zeal to uphold His statutes would birth such a desire in our hearts.
Well said. There is NOTHING wrong with supporting a fellow brother in Christ when he is being attacked; I would even say it is necessary. I was glad to see the support. Pilgrim’s original post simply made me think about when and how I show my love for Christ and His church. It was easy, not wrong just easy, to show my support for Dan Cathy by heading to Chik-Fil-A on CFA appreciation day. However, when is the last time I shared the gospel with someone that I don’t know? It has been quite some time. Not because I don’t want to further God’s kingdom, but because it is uncomfortable; it makes me nervous.
I don’t think that the original post was meant to say that we should not have shown our support for Mr. Cathy, but simply to make us think about living our life everyday in service to our Savior; whether or not is comfortable to do so.
“I personally feel American christians need to put their foot down very strongly against this wave of homosexuality threatening to swallow their land and throw them into demonic darkness. ”
Like the early church put their foot down and was entangled in roman political affairs? The greater darkness in america is the christian right, not the militant homosexuals.
Also- It is quite like the pharisees for american christians to judge homosexuals when their churches are full of adultery, divorce, remarriage, and pornography addiction. 1 Corinthians 5 – if only someone would read and follow it. -Jim
Something to keep in mind is that in our zeal for truth and righteousness, we dare not let ourselves lose focus. The Holy Spirit does not bring an attitude to “throw them into demonic darkness” (see Luke 9:54-55). Rather, the Lord had mercy on us, for such were some of us (1 Cor.6:9-11). We all need deliverance from sin, no matter who we are. Let us pray diligently for the Lord to open their eyes, and draw them to repentance.
again i agree one thousand percent with flee babylon. its the christian rightare all from yale and priceton and places like that where they join masonic fraternities like skull and bones. both kerry and bush were in it. we didnt have a real choice in that election.
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