Quotes (939)

Gary Gilley The new-paradigm church is offering a purely commercialized, yuppie brand of Christianity found nowhere in the New Testament. . . . Is a person coming to Christ in order to bolster her self-esteem or experience a great thrill, truly born again? If [average church goer] Mary does not clearly understand that the real issue on the table is her personal sinfulness that has offended a holy and righteous God, does she understand the gospel at all? If she believes that Christ died on the cross to save her from a poor self-image in order to give her a fulfilling life brimming with excitement, has she not been presented with a gospel so hopelessly muddled that the true gospel is still a mystery to her? Can such a person, who so totally misunderstands the purpose and nature of Calvary, be saved, even though she has prayed the “sinner’s prayer?” From my understanding of the true gospel I would have to say probably not. And if a multitude of these kinds of Marys are now flooding into the local church, what kind of church is being created?

- Gary Gilley

10 thoughts on “Quotes (939)

  1. michael says:

    “…And if a multitude of these kinds of Marys are now flooding into the local church, what kind of church is being created?”

    The Book of the Revelation reveals a “mary”/female with seven “heads”,unlike Christ the Stone with seven eyes and it reveals to us who hear the “powers of this “mary/female:

    Rev_17:3 And he carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness, and I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was full of blasphemous names, and it had seven heads and ten horns.

    Rev 17:15 And the angel said to me, “The waters that you saw, where the prostitute is seated, are peoples and multitudes and nations and languages.

    Now of course, sadly it is dawning on all who are pressing onto maturity in Christ by the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit that those waters upon whom the prostitute is seated are those whose names were not, never written in the book of Life before the foundation of the world. To these this is their fate:

    Rev 20:15 And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

    God selects and elects and builds His Church, based in His foreknowledge and that Book of Life, a Church the gates of hell will never be able to prevail over though they are allowed to come against Her. At the end of the day, let it be certain deeply embedded within your hearts this:

    Rev 21:27 But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who does what is detestable or false, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

    So, I would say about “the new-paradigm church” that is being written about above that it too might just be a harvest field for the glory of the Lord? How would any of those new paradigm church goers come to know the Truth that has set us free unless the Word of God is preached to them too?

  2. These churches where “church goer Mary” and her many many friends attend, is likely to also have a large quantity of wimpy, passive, lazy, flaccid, slothful, self-centered, and unconverted men as well.

    If you’re wondering where “church goer Mary’s” church is located, simply visit any ‘mega-church’ in your neighborhood or town, any liberal denomination’s church (isn’t that most all of them), and/or almost any mainstream Baptist church of today. People have been so dumbed-down by ministers who teach a watered-down, cotton-candy, soul-medicine-removed ‘gospel’ (yea, false gospel) that there’s no power in it to save a soul.

    May help their self-esteem, may help their organizational skills, but it will not replace a heart of stone with a heart of flesh.

    Todd
    Texas

  3. joyfulheart says:

    Is this the Wayne Jacobsen who believes in panentheism and is a co-author of the Shack??!!! Who does not believe in attending church at all?! I do not disagree with what he said here, but I am shocked and saddened to find him quoted here.

  4. Charisse says:

    Dear Pilgrim,
    You may want to cite what source this quote came from because it is a little confusing referencing Wayne Jacobsen in the affirmative. Pastor Gilley wrote an excellent critique of “The Shack” and I am confident that the context this was taken from would clear up any misrepresentation.
    Blessings to DefCon, charisse

  5. This is all news to me. I’ve never heard of Wayne Jacobsen before. The quote is from Gilley’s book, This Little Church Went to Market.

    I know nothing of Mr. Jacobsen, and it was my understanding that the heresy-palooza known as “The Shack” was written solely by William P. Young for his family which then turned into a best seller. I was unaware that Mr. Young had any help writing the book (“human” help to be specific).

    Does anyone have any links citing information on Mr. Jacobsen? If what you guys are alleging is true, then I certainly don’t wish to directly or indirectly endorse a man of such nature.

  6. Jacobsen defending The Shack: http://windblownmedia.com/about-wbm/is-the-shack-heresy.html

    Gilley’s book was published in 2005, before the Shack.

    It does somewhat give the impression of an endorsement, unfortunately. There is no way, even before The Shack, that Gilley would have wanted to thoroughly endorse Jacobsen, but there’s not even a hint of that in the way he quoted him here. All it needed was to word it in a way that suggests he may not get everything right.

    Jacobsen’s statement here is fine (as is Gilley’s use of it). It’s the baggage that comes with him….

    My personal opinion, for what it’s worth — I’d edit the post to add a statement at the end of Gilley’s quote that you do not endorse Jacobsen, but agree with the point Gilley is making.

  7. michael says:

    A little levity anyone?

    What!??? No one wants God the Father portrayed a book as a very large and endowed Black woman?!!! grrrrrr!

    I know its a stretch but after all They did make them male and female in Their image and likeness!

    Is there no mercy for creative and artistic license anymore? :)

    If I offended anyone with those words, please don’t hesitate to let me know.

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