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Parents – Pay Heed!

Many parents who give their children to the government to train up fail to comprehend a doctrine that most government schools operate under – that of in loco parentis: [Latin, in the place of a parent.] The legal doctrine under which an individual assumes parental rights, duties, and obligations without going through the formalities of legal Adoption.

You can read more of the background, use, and implication of this doctrine here: http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/In+loco+parentis

Do not neglect the Word of God, as our Lord holds parents (especially fathers) personally responsible for the training up of children – NOT the church (which has a biblical role of support) NOR the unbiblical “public school”.

Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. “Honor your father and mother” (this is the first commandment with a promise), “that it may go well with you and that you may live long in the land.” Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger, but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord.

And for some practical understanding of this, read the following story, reported by OneNewsNow.com and note the issue: while your children are in the custody of the government school, who has parental rights? Pray for the Supreme Court to have wisdom.

High court to decide if parents ‘forfeit’ rights

According to John Whitehead, president of The Rutherford Institute, the case before the high court will determine whether a state human services caseworker and deputy sheriff violated the rights of a nine-year-old Oregon girl in 2003 when they removed the child from her classroom, without parental consent or a court order, to question her about allegations of parental abuse.

John Whitehead (Rutherford)“She was left alone with the sheriff for two hours, and he interrogated her, trying to get her to say that her father had sexually molested her. She became visibly sick…that night… [and] the mother later filed a lawsuit,” Whitehead accounts. “This has wiggled its way up through the court of appeals. The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in favor of the parents, saying this is an unreasonable search and seizure under the Fourth Amendment. And now, the U.S. Supreme Court is going to hear this case.”

So The Rutherford Institute, a non-profit conservative legal organization, has gotten involved and has filed a friend-of-the-court brief.

“What the case really stands for is whether you forfeit your rights as parents if you send your children to public schools,” the conservative attorney reasons. “In other words, do they really have any constitutional rights? Do you have any constitutional rights? Can government officials show up [and] take your children out of school without probable cause [or] without a search warrant in violation of the Fourth Amendment? That’s what this case is all about.”
The Supreme Court is scheduled to hear arguments Tuesday, March 1.

About Stuart Brogden

Reformed Baptist, married to one woman since 1978, enjoy camping, motorcycle riding, solid books that assist in understanding the Word of God, fellowship with the Lord's saints, and some classical music. A wretch saved by grace, with nothing to give my Lord except my sin. Desire to make the gospel known and shepherd some of the Lord's sheep.

14 comments on “Parents – Pay Heed!

  1. Are you seriously suggesting that if a parent is accused of abuse – especially sexual abuse – that the child should not be asked about it unless the parents give permission?

  2. I am seriously saying the state (all of them) has a solid track record of abusing their role and making false accusations about such horrid acts. Children have been coaxed into claiming abuse that never took place. All of this is the result of parents abandoning the God given responsibilities to teach their children over to the state. Government schools do not stop any parental abuse, but they do create a whole new group that can and does abuse.

    Allegations of child abuse must be dealt with in a manner that does not destroy the family unless a trial has determined guilt.

  3. I wasn’t going to address this, s I thought it was a secondary point, but since you keep coming back to it:

    All of this is the result of parents abandoning the God given responsibilities to teach their children over to the state.

    You seem to be under the erroneous belief that parents that send their children to public schools are in sin because they are not teaching the children themselves. By that logic, if I take my car to a mechanic to replace the timing belt (because I have neither the tools, nor the expertise), I am not taking care of my car because I am not replacing the timing belt personally. The Bible says that the parents are responsible for the education of the children, which can include, but is not exclusively, homeschooling. If the parents choose to send their child to a school and just says, “Not my concern,” that is wrong – and I am sure there are many that do that. But it is presumptuous to assume that all are doing that – which is what your opening statement does.

  4. Christian parents who send their children to government schools are working against God. There is no such thing as a moral free agent. While there are good people teaching in government schools, the system is of the world and opposed to God. The Bible does not say parents have a responsibility for the education of their children – it says they are responsible for teaching them about God. If you send children to a government school, you make the biblical job twice as difficult as you are working against the system you enrolled them in and they are caught between authorities. I did not mention home schooling and am not of the opinion that it is the only option. Nice try at a straw man.

    I find it ludicrous to compare hiring a mechanic to work on your car to giving care and teaching of your children to a system that is opposed to God.

    If the parents choose to send their child to a school and just says, “Not my concern,” that is wrong – and I am sure there are many that do that. But it is presumptuous to assume that all are doing that – which is what your opening statement does.

    Please explain how my opening statement does this.

  5. I planned a longer response, and even typed one out, but then, I re-read your first sentence.

    Christian parents who send their children to government schools are working against God.

    You have gone beyond a statement and are now making a declaration of sin against me. Since you believe that I am working against God, and now will probably believe that I am doing so deliberately because even after your assertion I am not unenrolling my children from their public school, I have nothing to say to you and no desire to read what you have to say to me. So I reach we have reached an impasse.

  6. 072591,

    You are free to ignore whomsoever you choose. Do you think God is please when Christians put their children in a system that occupies 35,000 or so hours of the child’s life and the entire syllabus is structured to deny His existence?

  7. Manfred, I understand where you’re coming from. What happened to that little girl was terrible and my heart hurts for her. However, not all public school systems need to painted with such a broad brush. You also do the parents of special needs children a disservice when you tell them that they should not be sending them to public schools. My 14 year old son has ADHD, had developmental delays (all caught up now, thank the Lord), needed speech and occupational therapy and continues to have problems with social skills. I only have an associate’s degree and do not have the professional skills necessary to teach him regular school subjects in a home school setting, let alone teach someone with ADHD and teach him the skills he needs to succeed in the world. He has had some private physical and occupational therapy (mostly in the summer when school is not in session), but the majority of his therapy and social skills training have been through the local school district. Thanks to all the wonderful professionals he has worked with over the years, he will be entering high school next year fully mainstreamed, with a class for social skills training. I would have never been able to teach my son the level of skills that these professionals have helped him with.

  8. Diane 1611,

    Thanks for your civil and kind comments. There is no hard rule – many parents need help and support due to myriad issues. Dealing with such concerns is one thing. The message I am trying to make is that parents have the responsibility to train their children – provide a Christian education, if the parents are Christian.

    As a citizen of Texas, I loath the federal programs that fund and control so much of “local” government schools – making it all the more difficult for parents to have an influence. Any funding for social or educational programs ought to be at state or local level – for greater taxpayer/parental influence and because the U.S. Constitution does not authorize any such activity for the federal government.

  9. Ten years ago, in AZ, a classmate of my child’s (less than ten years of age) was removed from her school and taken to a doctor without the parent’s permission or knowledge. This little girl had some medical issues, including the inability to fully control her bladder. The school had been made aware of her condition and it had been noted in her medical file for a few years. However, one day the girl, who sometimes wore a Pull-Up, became uncomfortable and tried to adjust things. The teacher noticed, became concerned, and contacted the authorities, who then took the girl to the doctor for a vaginal exam. The parents were notified after the fact and after the results showed that nothing was suspicious. Needless to say, the girl was traumatized by the event and the parents were furious that the school had the power to do such a thing. Soon after, we removed our children from the school.

  10. Anyone want to see governmental abuse at its finest? Check our story here…

    http://ronunruhgps.blogspot.com/

    We are expecting, FINALLY after three long years of battling in and out of court a decision from the Judge in our case. This decision comes on Monday. You name it and they’ve done it to us.

  11. Revivalandreformation, your story is heartbreaking. I will certainly keep this situation in my prayers.

  12. I have passed this link on to those who really don’t understand how bad this so called Child Protection system is. It is worse than any of you can understand or possibly fathom, unless you have been through it. We as parents HAVE to stand up for our children or we WILL lose them…that is a guarantee. If you don’t believe me do a Google search on the infamous ‘Nanny State’ over in the UK.

    http://www.fixcas.com/

  13. Of course, this basic issue has been brought up on this forum before: http://defendingcontending.com/2010/10/13/the-child-americas-battle-for-the-next-generation/ for example.

  14. Not sure if you all here have been following our story or not, but the judgment came back, and the judge turned out to be just as wicked and blind to the truth as the social workers are. To follow the updates, click the link.

    http://ronunruhgps.blogspot.com/2011/03/no-more-waiting-part-463-for-love-and.html

    Please pray that the door doesn’t close on us. To be told that we must work with those who have consistently fought against us, lied about us, and done everything possible to hurt us, is insane. Plus our little new born was involved in an accident on Friday with the driver, and we were just told about it yesterday. He seems to be okay, but who knows how bad the accident was, and if there is underlying symptoms.

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