A brother in Christ who also read the diary of David Brainerd was struck by his practice of NOT baptizing a person who professed belief in Christ until a few weeks or months later – so he could be evaluated for evidence of the change of life that the Holy Spirit delivers.
“Alter” call. Clever, Pilgrim!
Pilgrim: Just so we’re clear, I wasn’t making fun of the original spelling, but thought “alter call” was apropos in light of the fallaciousness of altar calls. Thank you for the video.
Oh, no problem. What you thought was a clever play on words was nothing more than a typo.
I wish I could take credit for it by saying it was done on purpose, but my wit is not that sharp.
It is refreshing to hear a pastor tell the truth about people responding to altar calls without any remorse and repentance over their sins. In the days of Evangelists Dwight D. Moody and Ruben A. Torrey, people in the “valley of decision” were asked to remain after the revival services, where they were walked through specific Bible scriptures, explaining the nature of sin; the law; the wrath of God; the need for repentance; the sacrifice that Jesus paid for sin; the cost of following Christ; sanctification; and holiness, etc. Many times, it took many hours before a person would fully surrender their lives to Jesus Christ. You don’t have to look very far to see what “instant Christianity” has done to America. The old Scottish Evangelist Andrew Bonar once stated “I looked for church and found it in the world; And I looked for the world and found it in the church.”
Are you listening folks?!?! Thanks to Pilgrim, and to the 6 Amens above…Jesus franchises aren’t Christ’s Church!
1And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
2Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel, prophesy, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto the shepherds; Woe be to the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves! should not the shepherds feed the flocks?
3Ye eat the fat, and ye clothe you with the wool, ye kill them that are fed: but ye feed not the flock.
4The diseased have ye not strengthened, neither have ye healed that which was sick, neither have ye bound up that which was broken, neither have ye brought again that which was driven away, neither have ye sought that which was lost; but with force and with cruelty have ye ruled them.
5And they were scattered, because there is no shepherd: and they became meat to all the beasts of the field, when they were scattered.
6My sheep wandered through all the mountains, and upon every high hill: yea, my flock was scattered upon all the face of the earth, and none did search or seek after them.
7Therefore, ye shepherds, hear the word of the LORD;
8As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely because my flock became a prey, and my flock became meat to every beast of the field, because there was no shepherd, neither did my shepherds search for my flock, but the shepherds fed themselves, and fed not my flock;
9Therefore, O ye shepherds, hear the word of the LORD;
10Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require my flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; for I will deliver my flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them.
11For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out.
12As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day.
13And I will bring them out from the people, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them to their own land, and feed them upon the mountains of Israel by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country.
14I will feed them in a good pasture, and upon the high mountains of Israel shall their fold be: there shall they lie in a good fold, and in a fat pasture shall they feed upon the mountains of Israel.
15I will feed my flock, and I will cause them to lie down, saith the Lord GOD.
16I will seek that which was lost, and bring again that which was driven away, and will bind up that which was broken, and will strengthen that which was sick: but I will destroy the fat and the strong; I will feed them with judgment.
17And as for you, O my flock, thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I judge between cattle and cattle, between the rams and the he goats.
18Seemeth it a small thing unto you to have eaten up the good pasture, but ye must tread down with your feet the residue of your pastures? and to have drunk of the deep waters, but ye must foul the residue with your feet?
19And as for my flock, they eat that which ye have trodden with your feet; and they drink that which ye have fouled with your feet.
20Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD unto them; Behold, I, even I, will judge between the fat cattle and between the lean cattle.
21Because ye have thrust with side and with shoulder, and pushed all the diseased with your horns, till ye have scattered them abroad;
22Therefore will I save my flock, and they shall no more be a prey; and I will judge between cattle and cattle.
23And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd.
24And I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the LORD have spoken it.
25And I will make with them a covenant of peace, and will cause the evil beasts to cease out of the land: and they shall dwell safely in the wilderness, and sleep in the woods.
26And I will make them and the places round about my hill a blessing; and I will cause the shower to come down in his season; there shall be showers of blessing.
27And the tree of the field shall yield her fruit, and the earth shall yield her increase, and they shall be safe in their land, and shall know that I am the LORD, when I have broken the bands of their yoke, and delivered them out of the hand of those that served themselves of them.
28And they shall no more be a prey to the heathen, neither shall the beast of the land devour them; but they shall dwell safely, and none shall make them afraid.
29And I will raise up for them a plant of renown, and they shall be no more consumed with hunger in the land, neither bear the shame of the heathen any more.
30Thus shall they know that I the LORD their God am with them, and that they, even the house of Israel, are my people, saith the Lord GOD.
31And ye my flock, the flock of my pasture, are men, and I am your God, saith the Lord GOD.
“Everything in this age is shallow. Deep-sea fishing is almost an extinct business so far as men’s souls are concerned. The consequence is that men leap into religion, and then leap out again. Unhumbled they come to the church, unhumbled they remained in it, and unhumbled they go from it.’”
– Charles Haddon Spurgeon
Video quality was driving me crazy,so I gave up. But I never did like altar calls because they strike me almost like infomercials; “don’t think about it. Act now!” Jesus Christ said to count the cost, know what you’re getting into before you make any commitment. They also strike me as an appeal to pressure. “The music won’t stop until you come forward.” Many would go forward in hopes that the music people would shut up.
I did see one done right, however. It was a youth camp, and each person that responded was directed to a counselor in order to determine that the person wasn’t just going up because of peer pressure or “fire insurance theology.” The idea is to make sure the person understands what exactly salvation is, why exactly you need it, and what exactly repentance is. Also, the song was done twice, once for the boys and once for the girls. And it wasn’t a “come forward and accept Jesus”; it was a call to talk to a counselor about salvation or other spiritual matters. While not really relevant to this thread, the other thing I remember was that they had the boys’ call first, because men are called to be spiritual leaders.
Unfortunately, this was the exception and not the rule.
I wonder how he arrived at four hours of counseling as the cutoff point where he would be okay with the practice of calling people to respond to Gospel preaching.
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