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A radical approach to December 25th: Why we won’t be celebrating Christmas this year.

I. Introduction:

If the views my wife and I have about television, public schools, vaccinations, and Easter wasn’t enough to drive friends and family crazy, our latest decision certainly will. (I also suspect that this will ruffle a few feathers on DefCon as well.)

After thoughtful deliberation we have decided to forego celebrating Christmas this year (and every year hereafter) for two main reasons, one being obvious and the other not so obvious.

No, my wife and I have not lost our minds.

No, we have not become Jehovah’s Witnesses.

No, we aren’t trying to take fun away from our children.

I have always loved Christmas. I could often be heard singing Christmas carols all year long. Christmas has always been one of my favorite times of the year with all the decorations, food, family, memories, and nostalgia. So my decision to essentially cancel Christmas was not an easy one.

Please hear me out before coming to any conclusions or casting dispersions upon our decision. In the end you may still not agree with us, but at least you’ll understand our reasoning.

II. How it began:

This all started last year when I was reading the comment thread on this post. All of those leaving comments for and against celebrating Christmas made some really good points and it prompted me to really ponder the subject.

My conclusion to forego Christmas stemmed from those comments and became reason number one. Reason number two has been brewing in my mind for the past several years.

III. A little back story:

I am a Christian; a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ. One who trusts in Him and the grace God displayed in the shed blood of His Son who willingly offered Himself as a propitiatory sacrifice on my behalf to absorb the wrath of the Father that I justly deserved, not only for the sins I’ve committed, but also for the sins I inherited from Adam (Romans 5:12-14).

Because of this, I desire to please my Master, my Lord, my God, and my Savior with how I live my life (John 14:15) because I’m no longer mine, but I’ve been bought with a price (1 Corinthians 6:20).

Do I always please Him in my life? Absolutely not. In fact, I’m ashamed to admit it, but in my everyday life I probably bring Him far more disgrace and dishonor than I do glory. However, I strive to follow His commands, I hate my sin, and I want to be more like Him—not in the hopes of gaining His approval or meriting His favor (Christ already met those requirements on my behalf since I never could)—but it’s because I love Him for dying for me while I was yet a miserable, wretched sinner (Romans 5:6-8).

So, when I discover things in my life that may not be honoring to the One I seek to honor, obey, and glorify (John 15:14), then I must make a decision of whom I will serve (Joshua 24:15). I will decide to serve either myself or the One who bought me with a price and owns me (1 Corinthians 7:23). Choosing the latter is rarely easy, usually difficult, often agonizing, but always wise, prudent, and right.

It’s for this reason—that I desire to please the One who purchased me with His precious blood (1 Peter 1:18-19) and not because of legalism—that I feel I can no longer, in good conscience, celebrate the holiday known as Christmas. And what follows are my two reasons why.

IV. Reason 1 – The Origins:

There’s no debating that Roman Catholic traditions and pagan practices are rife throughout the holiday of Christmas. Everything from the name of the holiday to the Yule log, for instance, has more to do with false religions than with Christianity. Romanism and paganism are rampant in this supposedly Christian holiday.

Now I’m not unrealistic. I understand that we cannot escape the presence of false religion in our daily lives; even the planets in our solar system and days of the week are named after pagan gods. As long as we live in a fallen world there will be pagan influences all around us. It’s when we intentionally infuse false religions with Christianity and attempt to call it “good” that a problem arises. We’re no longer living in the world while not being a part of it, we’re now mixing light and dark; a practice strictly forbidden by Scripture.

The Bible permits us to eat food sacrificed to idols (1 Corinthians 8:1-13) but would not permit us to partake in pagan practices and incorporate them into the Christian’s life and practice (Ephesians 5:11).

My coming to terms with the origins of Christmas was a jagged pill for me to swallow and left me at a loss as to how I—with this knowledge—could justify partaking in such a celebration, regardless of how much my flesh yearns to once again welcome the warmth, fun, nostalgia, and sentimentalism that comes with the season.

Although many people who refrain from celebrating Christmas do so because of its pagan and Romanist origins, my wife and I have an additional concern. This second reason for saying “no” to Christmas is not so obvious nor is it discussed much when debating this issue. In fact, in the post I referred to above, this second reason was never mentioned by any of those leaving comments.

V. Reason 2 – What we’re teaching our kids:

A breeding ground for coveting, vanity, and materialism.

Christmas—by and far, and above all other holidays—is best defined today by materialism and the mass consumption of stuff. Even non-Christians recognize and often bemoan this fact. It tends to be easier to practice moderation with other gift-giving days (like birthdays), but with Christmas there’s always an ever-present frenzy of vanity and materialism simmering just below the surface of the season that crescendos into an orgy of selfishness like no other holiday.

My wife and I believe that we are responsible for how we raise our children and we’re desperately trying to raise them with as few of the trappings of the world as possible. Since all of us are born with a natural desire to covet the things of this world in order to satisfy the lust of our eyes, the lust of our flesh, and the pride of life (1 John 2:15-16), we feel that by celebrating Christmas we’d be contributing to the cultivation of those sinful desires which are uncharacteristic of a Christian.

Children, as well as adults, struggle enough with selfishness, materialism, and coveting that it would be foolish of my wife and I to reinforce this by instilling these sins into the lives of our children from their infancy under the guise of it being a Christian holiday. (In America we don’t “struggle” with coveting so much because we’ve come to embrace this pet sin.)

Christians should always be aware of their duty to not cause offense to or the stumbling of others. If we are responsible for the raising of our children—and we know that they are born with an innate tendency toward coveting, materialism, and the worship and serving of things created (idolatry)—then it would be a grave folly for us as parents to justify, condone, and encourage that sin in their lives.

If our greatest desire for our children is for them to turn to Jesus Christ for forgiveness of sin, and to glorify God through their lives, then why in the world would we want to place the stumbling blocks of selfishness, coveting, vanity, and materialism before them on a silver platter and call it innocent holiday fun?

Open your presents; there are starving kids in India.

Do we expect our children to be able to properly balance the gross consumerism, materialism, and mass consumption that accompanies Christmas with that of the reality of the sufferings of the rest of the world? How do we on one hand try to impart to our kids the understanding of the misfortune of people throughout the world who are suffering with lack of food, water, clothing, and shelter (and with Christians throughout the world who are beaten, imprisoned, and tortured for their faith in Christ), while we’re ripping open piles of presents, most of which will begin collecting dust before the credit cards used to purchase them are paid off?

My wife and I are desperately trying to undo the materialism that we’ve already bred into our own children, and Christmas certainly doesn’t help. How can we really instill in our children the understanding of poverty and suffering elsewhere in the world—and have compassion for those suffering—when we keep burying our kids under stuff?

How are we to instill a compassion in our children for the least of these, as Jesus would have us do, yet engage in gross self-indulgence on December 25th under the guise of celebrating the birth of the One who was poor in this life and instructed us to give up all for Him, including our very lives?

Our hope for our children is to live and die for the cause of Christ in the foreign or domestic mission fields, but can they really have a godly understanding and perspective of the urgency of the plight of the rest of the world when we blur those lines with our gross material consumption under the banner of celebrating our Savior’s birth?

It seems that dying as a martyr for Christ is easier than dying to self for Christ. The latter, however, is what He requires of us.

When we try to instill throughout the year to our children their need to take up their cross, care for the sick, and give to the needy, only to betray everything we’ve said every December by smothering them with presents and cultivating coveting in their little hearts, doesn’t that make us hypocrites?

And last time I checked, “Thou shalt not covet” was still one of the Ten Commandments.

Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies.

When our children tear off the wrapping of a present to reveal socks and underwear from Aunt Ruth, we’re appalled when they don’t look happy or grateful about it. We expect them to hold up the underwear, and with a big smile for the camera, say, “Oh, thank you so much Aunt Ruth, it’s just what I wanted.” (And we do the same thing when we receive the dreaded fruit roll from Aunt Ruth.)

In other words, we want our children to be fake; to lie. For most Christian parents this is one of the few times we accept (and expect) lies from our children. It’s also one of the few times we feel it’s all right to lie to those same children about Santa Clause, elves, and flying reindeer. Yet we then expect our children to believe what we tell them about the Flood, the parting of the Red Sea, Jonah and the fish, and a risen Savior, and we’re shocked if they don’t. Revelation 21:8 warns us about what happens to liars.

There’s another kind of lying that’s prevalent during Christmas that seems to be taboo to talk about. Do you find it odd that most people ignore the less fortunate until the holidays roll around? This selective compassion is expected from the world but it’s a travesty when it’s the common practice of the church.

Why is it that Christian churches crowd the soup kitchens and convalescent homes to feed the homeless and visit widows during the Christmas season but they can’t be found the rest of the year?

Why is it that so many Christians pat themselves on the backs because every December they send a shoebox of junk to a third world country yet they can’t be bothered to lift a finger the other eleven months of the year for those same people?

For a church, being charitable just once a year is called being fake. It’s no different than how the masses of unbelievers show up to church for Christmas never to be seen again till next Christmas (or the occasional Easter). The unbeliever’s December faith and the church’s December charity fool no one, especially God; it’s simply living a lie. And last time I checked, lying was still an abomination to God (Proverbs 6:16-17).

VI. Conclusion:

I know that none of my above assertions will resonate with you if you don’t have the same goals and expectations for your family as my wife and I do. But as for me there are really no outs on this subject. If I say that we celebrate Christmas for what it is today—and not for the pagan and Roman Catholic beginnings—then I can’t escape the fact that the Christmas of today is less about celebration and reflection and more about parties and facades; less about religion and more about self-indulgence; and less about piety and more about me.

I speak to those who strive to take the Bible seriously, and want to raise their children in the fear and admonition of the Lord. From one Christian to another Christian, I ask you: Can you really justify celebrating a holiday created by an apostate religious organization, infused with paganism that encourages greed, worldly lusts, and lying, and is nowhere to be found in Scripture by teaching or example for us to follow?

If you can, in good conscience, say “yes,” then peace be with you. I do not judge you but I pray that you will consider these words of mine from time to time. I do not suggest that you are in some way in danger of Hell’s fire because you esteem one holiday over another (Romans 14:5-6), and I apologize if my passion about this has offended you. My intent was not to make enemies with you. (Galatians 4:16, Romans 12:18).

This post was not intended to be an indictment about giving gifts. I’m not against giving gifts. If the act of giving gifts was a sin then gift giving would not have been used as an example of a loving father in Matthew 7:9-11 and Luke 11:11-13. And furthermore, God gave us the ultimate gift of His Son.

This post was a critique of how we as Christians—who strive to abide by God’s commands against mixing light with darkness, coveting, greed, the lust of the eyes and the flesh, causing others to stumble, and lying—will give a pass to all those prohibitions in order to celebrate a holiday Jesus never asked us to commemorate. A holiday that’s supposed to celebrate the birth of the One who gave us those laws, who fulfilled those laws, who never transgressed those laws, and then died a cruel death on a rugged Roman cross to redeem those of us who have spent a lifetime breaking those laws.

This will be the first year we’re foregoing Christmas and I anticipate it’s going to be rough. Trying to explain our decision to friends and family and giving up years of practice and tradition. Yet, in some ways, sitting this holiday out won’t be so bad after all:

This Christmas, many Christians—like the unbelievers around them—will be under great stress for the next month running from Christmas party to Christmas party, torturing themselves over whether or not to get that friend or co-worker a gift (because if they got you one and you didn’t get them one then you’ll feel awful, but if you got them something and they didn’t get you something then you’ll have to endure that awkward moment between the two of you), trying to get cards out on time, getting stuck in traffic jams at mall parking lots, fighting with the obnoxious throngs of shoppers, trying to find the perfect gift for people who you have no idea what they’ll like, fretting over whether or not you forgot someone on your list, working overtime to pay off the Christmas bills, and finally, trying to find room in your home to store the additional junk you’ve accumulated from yet one more Christmas holiday that’s supposed to be celebrating the birth of the One who only commanded us to commemorate His death, burial, and resurrection.


158 comments on “A radical approach to December 25th: Why we won’t be celebrating Christmas this year.

  1. Don’t worry; you have not made an enemy of me, nor have you raised my ire. You have provided your conviction of not celebrating Christmas with the degree of “this is my personal conviction” that is all-too-lacking among us believers on what I consider liberty issues. Many of the foregoers tend to be truly offended that not everybody shares their convictions.

    My only concern about not doing Christmas (and it is interesting how this and Halloween tend to be controversial whether it is celebrated or not. I don’t celebrate President’s Day, and nobody seems to care.) is that most (but not all) of the non-celebrators – really, the anti-celebrators – are not proclaiming their rejection of Christmas because they seek to reject Rome; they are proclaiming their rejection of Christmas because they seek to reject Christ. I know your motives are pure, and chances are, your close friends and family will, too. But the question is going to linger among the casual people you encounter.

    I’m not trying to change your mind, and you should never act on borrowed convictions anyway. Just take it into consideration.

    BTW: Just so I know, does this mean you’re not buying gifts for your family and friends?

  2. Thank you for shaing this post. People used to laugh at me when I told them I wanted to celebrate Christmas every other year because I thought it would make it more meaningful. And now I know that even that wouldn’t change anything unless God changed their heart and opened their eyes to their own depravity and they repented and were saved. I don’t think that all of us can entirely escape “Christmas,” but we can certainly strive to keep it more Christ centered.

  3. Thanks for your post. I’ve had many of the same convictions about these very issues for the past 3 year. I would do the same, however my wife does not share these same convictions (at least on the same level) as I do. I would love to know what the week of Christmas will look like in your household this year. Will you do anything in the way of honoring the Lord in a way you do not typically do?

  4. I am not offended in the least, and actually am quite impressed. I would love to find the boldness to throw off the demands of this season, but not sure how to do this without hurting my family. And so my question is similar to 072591′s question. How does one NOT celebrate Christmas? Do you forego gift giving, but still retain the time spent with family and friends? Does your church have special services you do not attend? Do you not sing the carols? What exactly are the things that you withdraw from? I am truly interested. Thanks!!

  5. I have been convicted for several years that the cultural celebrations in churches this time of year have very little to do with honoring the biblical Jesus. Wise men brought gifts to the Christ child – we give stuff to one another. Christ is no longer a child, no matter how the Roman cult portrays Him. So much of the trappings and the day of the year have been assimilated from pagan religions that it strikes me as sin to hang on the name of Jesus. And then there’s the name the Roman cult gave this celebration – Christ’s-mass, a reminder that they crucify someone they think is Jesus every time they assemble.

    “The least of these” referred to in the original post are, in the Scripture, saints in the local body who were low – they were not the people outside the church who were in need. So while it’s a good thing to help all people out, we are told to have a special love for the saints of the living God.

    Still working this season out with my family. Not comfortable at all doing it like we did for so many years. Easier for us as our children are grown and flown.

  6. This was a wonderful post Pilgrim and it gives me great joy to read it. I very much appreciate the insightful comments on the materialism, feasting and the like and how this is truly the focus of the day (if we are honest). If anyone doubts it, then I challenge them to listen to other Christian’s words (including your own) and to observe actions related to the day that now start before Thanksgiving. Here, you should make a mental note as to how many times one refers to shopping, sales, gift giving, gift buying, gift receiving, gift returning, wish lists, parties, food, baking, cooking decorating, clothes to wear, x-Mass songs, TV specials, tree lightings and everything else related. Then, count how many times one speaks of Jesus. This being the Jesus in heaven and not the idol lying in a manger.

    For those who have questions about not giving gifts and how this affects others, I think too often we walk around with kid gloves not wanting to offend anyone by our doing what we believe the Lord commands of us. It is as if we have to always play by their rules so that we do not cause offense. In terms of giving gifts at Christmass, there is another problem here because more often than not it is really gift exchanging and not gift giving. Gifts being given to those whom you know (or believe) will give to you.

    Also, if someone is worried that a loved one will be offended because they do not get a gift during Christmas (a gift they certainly do not need), one needs to seriously consider why they would be so offended. I mean seriously, are our relationships so shallow that we must give them a gift during this season lest they never speak to us again? Trust me, I know folks will get offended, but isn’t our faith at some point suppose to cause an offense?

    With this said, I believe the best approach is to be graceful with relatives as we don’t need to hit them over the head with a hammer. The best approach I have found is to give the reason why you don’t celebrate the day and to leave it at that. Often, this will not be enough for some who cannot accept the notion that someone would be so radical as to not celebrate Christmas. Especially if they are a Bible-believing Christian. But, so be it. All I can say is be ready to receive heaps of incredulous stares, ridicule and insults more from the Christian camp than the pagans.

  7. You all ask some very good questions. I especially liked Kaydee’s, “How does one NOT celebrate Christmas?” It’s true, it’s an entire lifestyle change. A change that one can’t hide from others. It’s going to be tough, very tough. This will be our first crack at this so I’m not sure how it’s going to look.

    Another great question from Scott: “Will you do anything in the way of honoring the Lord in a way you do not typically do?” I don’t believe so. I think, like the puritans, we’ll treat it as any other day. Perhaps in the years to come we’ll plan getaways to secluded cabins where we won’t be pressured on all sides about Christmas and be able to spend it together as a family.

    The trouble with treating it as a special day to honor our Lord is that we’re once again setting this day aside, ascribing more value to this particular day than other days. In that case, we might as well celebrate Christmas.

    I think we will approach it as we do Easter. We call it Resurrection Sunday and we treat it like any other Sunday. Nothing special. And the reason being is that we honor and celebrate Christ and His work, death, burial, and resurrection everyday. Unlike the unbelievers who need a special day to remind them about God, as Christians we should live everyday like that. Additionally, we don’t want to instill into our children that faith is to be compartmentalized.

    Regarding church, I don’t see why we’d skip out on services, unless they were a special mid-week service dedicated to Christmas. Aside from that we’d still go as usual, unless, of course the scowls and condescension got so thick it would be better to stay home for that particular service. Besides, on Christmas services (as well as Easter services) it’s hard to find seats with all the people attending church to check it off their list for the year.

    Regarding the giving of gifts, we won’t be doing that. This endeavor is all or nothing. No tree, no lights, no presents, no nothing. Unfortunately it’s hard to avoid the Christmas music (of which I love) and as soon as I hear one of those tunes it’s stuck in my head all day. The music will probably be the hardest thing to divorce myself from. My wife says the same thing too.

    In regards to indirectly causing people to think I’m rejecting Christ by rejecting Christmas, I think that by NOT celebrating this holiday it piques people’s interest to ask why, which means they’ve opened up the door for me to witness to them. Whereas by doing Christmas like everyone else (even Atheists) nothing stands out, there’s nothing peculiar about our family in that regard, and folks won’t open the door to us to witness to them.

    And finally, Brother Michael and Manfred, it was your comments on that thread I linked to from last year that set me on this course. Thank you.

    - Pilgrim

  8. Wow, talk about radical. Well, I guess I have to go back to Wal-Mart and get a refund for the Christmas gift I bought for you Pilgrim! :-) Just kidding!

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    Ok, this certainly takes things to a level that has been in the minds of my wife and I for awhile. I do have some thoughts that I would like to share and see what other thoughts might present themselves.

    I Cor. 15:3-4, “For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures…”

    So in what part of this plain gospel truth do we see the inclusion of preaching “Jesus Christ and Him born on Christmas Day”? Obviously, we do not. The issue here is that this time of the year does definitely focus on the birth of the Lord Jesus Christ instead of the purpose of His coming which was to die. Yes, it was necessary for Him to be born before He could die. However, why the continued focus on His birth when that in itself is not salvific? History proves that Christmas is Roman Catholic in origin, and the origins of the Roman Catholic system is found ultimately in the ancient worship of Seramis and Tammuz.

    It is also a fact that what we know as “gift giving” was not really a part of the regular festivities until the late 1800′s. What in the world did the early church do without being able to go to the local Jerusalem Wal-Mart and purchase unwanted or unnecessary gifts for each other?

    If, as I have written before on this blog, every day is to be worship of the One True God, then each aspect of every day should be considered special. Our worship of the life of Christ should be centered not just on the aspect of His birth. Even in the celebration of the Lord’s Table, we remember the death, burial, and resurrection, and one day, because of our worship with the elements, we remember His return. No aspect of that Table is based on His birth or on His time in the Temple as a 12 year old or on His life as a teenager, etc., etc., etc.

    Much more to think about for the future. In the meantime, thanks for sharing your thoughts Pilgrim. May you be encouraged in your walk with Christ.
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    Part 2 – Christmas Carols

    Consider some of the words to well-loved “Christmas” carols and ask whether they actually line up with Scripture. It is important that all we do as believers line up with Scripture and even our hymn singing should be not exception. I find it of interest that many of our “Christmas” carols were written by Lutherans or Catholics. A lot of the songs deal with the Virgin Mary, or Joseph, or the baby Jesus, or the angels, etc.

    1. Angels From the Realms of Glory – “Come and worship, Worship Christ, the newborn King.” Are we really called to worship a “newborn king”?
    2. Good Christian Men Rejoice – “Good Christian men, rejoice, With heart and soul and voice, Now ye hear of endless bliss, Joy! Joy! Jesus Christ was born for this.” No, He was NOT born for us to have endless bliss and joy. He was born to die to atone for our sins and to satisfy the wrath of God the Father.
    3. God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen – “Remember, Christ, our Saviour, Was born on Christmas day, To save us all from Satan’s power, When we were gone astray.” Again, I’m sorry, but He was not born on Christmas Day and He did not come to save “us all” from Satan’s power.
    4. Hark the Herald – “Hark the herald angels sing, Glory to the newborn King! Peace on earth and mercy mild, God and sinners reconciled.” We are not reconciled because He was born. It is not His birth that saves us.

  9. I was wondering if you commemorate the births of your children or your spouse. There are ways to celebrate without being of the world. The intent of the heart is an important indicator.

  10. I respect your decision and have had many of the same thoughts over the years. May the Lord use your non-celebration to spread the gospel message. God bless you and your family.

  11. Wow. You guys give so much food for thought. I have made a personal choice to separate myself from all things Catholic, because of the conflict I have in my home with my husband, and because I have come to view the Roman church as being apostate and cultish. These connections to Christmas I have suspected, but was not sure about. And Desert Pastor’s contribution about the words of the caroles puts me in a quandry for several reasons. I am a piano teacher, and my students specifically request to learn Christmas music every year, which I have always been happy to do, but now wonder if I am only succeeding in contributing to the spread of false doctrine. Also, I am significantly involved in the music ministry at my church, and wonder how I could gracefully bow out at such a Very Musical Season in the Church. I was dismayed this past Sunday that the “Christian Calendar” was presented, with explanations for the various seasons and corresponding colors. (I attend an interdenominational church, finally, after searching for over 2 years for a church that was not arminian or cessasionist). As for hurting my family by non observance of Christmas, my concern is not for the gift giving, but for the fact that I live very far away from all of my family, and have only been able to see everyone all together at Christmas. They don’t care, I’m sure, about the gifts, as they are all believers as well. But I would feel sad about not taking part in this once a year gathering of the family. The decorating, the card sending, and the baking are simple enough to forego, even the gift giving is not that much of an issue for my family. It is the gatherings and the music that definitely would pose a challenge for me, because of the interweaving into relationships in my life that I am not sure I can successfully and graciously unravel.

  12. I really enjoyed the post and I agree.

    We have been re-examining these things for a few years now.

  13. Dear Pilgrim,

    It is obvious that your hearts desire is to love the Lord your God with all your heart. We can all benefit from the zeal that has been stirred in your spirit. As someone like you who has taken a hard look at Christmas, may I offer an observation?

    Reading Deuteronomy 14:23 through 16:22 God clearly outlines how to appropriately come together for feasts, festivals and celebrations. 1) To Bless and Praise God for what He has done and Remember Him. 2) Thankfulness for the blessings and provisions He has given us individually. 3) To remind us to look after the poor and care for them.

    Satan loves to pollute EVERYTHING. The evil one takes every good gift (monetary blessing from God, sex, beauty, etc.) and subltley perverts it, inorder to disrupt our walk and total devotion to God. Just as the Prosperity gospel is twisting God’s holy word the other extreme of a Poverty gospel is just as misguided. It is our constant battle on this earth to continually bring every thought captive to the obedience of Christ. (2 Corinthians 10:5)

    Christmas rightly observed is the celebration and rememberance of the Word made flesh. (John 1:14). It is a special time to gather with loved ones and brothers and sisters in Christ 1) To remember what God has done for us through sending His Son to be the unblemished lamb the perfect sacrifice for the remission of our sins. 2) it provides an opportunity to show love and mercy towards those less fortunate. 3) To Bless the Lord for the provisions He has entrusted to us for His glory. Ultimately, it all stems from the attitude of our heart.

    Is there perversion? Absolutely. “To the pure, all things are pure; but to those who are defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure but both their mind and their conscience are defiled.” (Titus 1:15) It is also an opportunity to teach our children the proper attitude towards gifts and material items and writing God’s word on the hearts and showing them how to apply it to life. Having said this we all have to walk before our Lord with clean hands and a pure heart and if it violates your conscience to participate then you may not.

    May God richly bless you with all wisdom and knowledge from on high. Thank you for your love of our Savior. mary

  14. camdemstables,

    I’ve been pondering birthday celebrations for a while, myself. I don’t see how it can be done without making a big to-do about a person. And that is the problem – we are told to not think highly about ourselves. We are told to richly enjoy what the Lord has given us – those things which are good for life here and now. The tension of the kingdom – already but not yet; this celebration issue is a reflection of the eternal.

  15. In some respects, you have thrown out the baby with the bathwater. You have yielded ground on the battlefield for no reason.

    One of the reasons that Christmas has fallen into the hands of the unbeliever is that the church fails to use the correct terms.

    We really don’t celebrate Christmas, but THE CHURCH celebrates the season of Advent, the first Advent. The first coming of Christ into His creation. That first Advent was good news and a great joy for all the people. For unto you a savior was born, who is Christ the Lord.

    This is a season to remember the greatest gift ever given to men. The gift of a Savior. When someone says Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays, maybe you could reply with “The Lord Jesus Christ came once before and will return again, have a blessed Advent season.” or “Are you saved by the blood of Christ?” I am sure one of you can think of something better.

    We as the CHURCH can not shrink away and yield this season to the unbeliever. We must contend for the faith. That means teaching our children and the lost pagan the season of Advent, the first coming of Christ into His creation.

    And with that first Advent, we also eagerly await the Lord Jesus Christ’s second Advent. That second Advent will bring the resurrection of the body either unto either everlasting life with Christ; or everlasting Hell.

    Proclaim the truth, contend for the faith. Go read Psalm 2.

  16. Craig,
    I am smiling because your words “thrown out the baby with the bath water” I have read 3 times on this site in the last week. I fear that maybe you are correct, and it is a problem here. Your words ring very true with me as well. My conviction is to remove the burdens of this season that are the enemy’s doing, and yet hold to what is valuable. You have mentioned some of these. So much is called for here in the examination of our hearts. I think that we can learn to “extract the precious from the worthless.”

  17. To The Pilgrim,
    I read with great interest this article. I have never posted here before but was curious about your first sentence especially your comment on your views on long-term missions.

  18. Craig,

    I actually like your comment, “The Lord Jesus Christ came once before and will return again, have a blessed Advent season.” You are correct that we cannot yield to the unbelievers, but we must also be careful that our response is not one of trying to take over something that was never ours to begin with. In other words, history shows that the true church of the Lord Jesus Christ has never celebrated the birth of Christ as a special day. This has only taken place within the last approximately 150 years.

    I would disagree that we are yielding ground for no reason. I believe what we are trying to do here is simply put convictions to paper whereby others may be exhorted or edified in the search of their own souls and hearts as to why we do what we do. The Pilgrim is correct in his analysis of what Christmas has become. It has little to do with the exaltation of our Saviour and more to do with huge unhealthy doses of narcissism.

    Therefore, I believe your second line would read better if you had said, “Christmas came through the hands of the unbelievers and the apostate church; however, we believe that this could be a wonderful time of the year to gain ground on the battlefield by using the correct terms.” You even stated that you do not really celebrate Christmas which is what the article was about to begin with.

    Again, we ask the reader to carefully examine their own hearts. The purpose here was not for you or any other reader to follow the convictions of the author or anybody else that contributes to this site whether through comments or blogposts. You must be convinced in your own life regarding the sufficiency of the Word and the preeminence of the Lord Jesus Christ. Too many Christians have no problem with prominence where He is one among many other things that crowd the life and heart, but preeminence, whereby He is first and Only, well that takes a road of discipleship most are not willing to walk.

    Thanks for your comments.
    _____________________________________________________

    Mary, thanks so much for your comments. I would like to add a few thoughts on one particular paragraph, and I am sure The Pilgrim will add his own thoughts.

    Christmas rightly observed is the celebration and rememberance of the Word made flesh. (John 1:14). It is a special time to gather with loved ones and brothers and sisters in Christ 1) To remember what God has done for us through sending His Son to be the unblemished lamb the perfect sacrifice for the remission of our sins. 2) it provides an opportunity to show love and mercy towards those less fortunate. 3) To Bless the Lord for the provisions He has entrusted to us for His glory. Ultimately, it all stems from the attitude of our heart.

    All three of the points you make in this paragraph are actually part of the call to discipleship which each believer must obey or they are in sin against the Creator. The truth is that your paragraph could just as easily start with the words, “Easter” or “My birthday” or “July 4″ or even “Every day rightly observed is….” For we who know the Saviour, we are called to rightly observe why He came and the fact that He is one day coming again. As The Pilgrim noted, too often believers only show love and mercy at “Christmas” time when we are actually called to a life of putting others first in some way. Some go to nursing homes, some visit prisons, some work in missions, some work in soup kitchens, some foster or adopt orphans, etc., etc., etc. Sadly, this only accounts for a small percentage of true believers.

    One final note, you speak of the feasts, festivals and celebrations of the Old Testament. The difference between those and Christmas is that God solemnly declared the feasts, festivals and celebrations of the Old Testament era for the children of Israel. Christmas was not established as a feast for the church by God. I would find it hard to say that Satan has polluted what was started by his minions in his own backyard. I hope that makes sense. Thanks for sharing your thoughts again. This is proving to be a very enlightening blogpost.

  19. Thank you for the post Pilgrim. It takes courage and great love for our savior to confront the blasphemy that is ‘christmass’. I could never figure out how professing believers in Christ could preach about truth all year and then celebrate a lie with the unbelieving world at the end of the year. If there were any Truth in the celebration, the world would have nothing to do with it.
    If one stands back and looks at the scenario…..rushing around buying an appropriate sacrifice to put under the altar (a tree) for an offering to the world’s god, non other than Santa Clause (who is all knowing, omnipresent, eternal…etc.). Its interesting to note that celebrating christmass was banned in all protestant churches prior to the late 19th century and in some places it was against the law.
    May God bless you and your loved ones and give you strength to endure the condemnations from from those who are blinded to the truth. I am the only ‘scrooge’ in my congregation, but they accept it and have even compromised and removed the pine boughs and manger scene from the sanctuary.

  20. When faced with a theological issue, I turn to better men than I.

    Is the Celebration of Christmas a Pagan Ritual? by R.C. Sproul
    http://www.ligonier.org/blog/is-the-celebration-of-christmas-a-pagan-ritual/

    The Glory of Christmas by R.C. Sproul
    http://www.ligonier.org/blog/glory-christmas/

    Why is X Used when it Replaces Christ in Christmas? by R.C. Sproul
    http://www.ligonier.org/blog/why-is-x-used-when-it-replaces-christ-in-christmas/

    Santa Christ? by Sinclair Ferguson
    http://www.ligonier.org/blog/santa-christ/

    Awaiting His Return by Burk Parsons
    http://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/awaiting-his-return/

    The Big Picture by Robert Reymond
    http://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/big-picture/

  21. I agree with both the Pilgrim and the Desert Pastor. It is a gross mistake to attempt to take an overwhelmingly heathen holiday, and attempt to use it somehow for God’s glory. Such “Christianizing” of heathen practices and celebrations is what got the churches entrapped in this harlotry with the world in the first place. And I applaud the Pilgrim for his stand. It is more than a bit disheartening that such a stand is considered “radical” today when it was standard practice for Christians for centuries.

  22. Very good article and discussions. We have not celebrated Christmas for years, because of the first reason which you stated, we felt it to be an obvious attempt to mix light and dark, evil and good. Not only in it’s origins but also in it’s practices. However,we were also very aware of the other reasons, the materialism, selfishness, deceitfulness, and revelings, ect. Things contrary to the Christian daily walk. I will always remember how crushed I was as a child when I realized Santa Clause did not exist and that I had been lied to, even when we did celebrate Christmas we didn’t teach our kids about Santa. We tried to make it Jeus’ B-day but then it isn’t, is it??? And that is not truthful either…. It is difficult in some ways, especially the first time, some people get down-right hateful, something I have yet to understand, WHY is ONE day or month of the year so important to everyone? We decided if we were not gonna celebrate, we would just….cut it off, we treat is as much as possible as any other day, of course my husband CANNOT work on that day at his usual job, since it shuts down for christmas. But we do not go anywhere, give any gifts, or observe any of the traditional christmas activites. IT IS VERY LIBERATING!!! I can’t begin to tell or expalin why it is so peaceful and even joyful not to be caught up in all that.
    There was a show produced several years ago by the History channel on Christmas which highlights the traditions instituted for children, bordering on making idols of children……just another intersting aspect to delve into.
    There is NOTHING about Christmas that would be considered a “benefit” for the christian which cannot be done another day and in a more godly manner….. There is no reason why anyone should feel compelled to participate in it, tho’ the pressure of the world, visible church, family and culture will inevitably try to press you, enjoy your liberty!

  23. It is a blessing you just wrote this really. My husband and i were just discussing this very thing this past week. We are grieved over the way Christmas has become and we do not wish our children to be part of this when we see the greed start to well along with stress of all it involves. God is sufficient, what He did is the greatest gift and will will be spending this time reflecting on that and what it means to live it out 365 24/7 not rushing around buying things that will not matter in a weeks time.

    Thank you for your passion! It is refreshing and a conformation of God’s speaking to us as well.

  24. I would like to read the christmas article from last year, I cannot get to it via the link. Is there soemthing wrong or is my computer just throwing a hissy fit? : }

  25. Glory to God!
    My husband (and pastor) and I, along with our children have not celebrated this holiday for almost 25 years. And let me tell you it is extremely difficult. Not with the world, but with the “Christians”, so called. You will get the most grief from family and especially family that claim salvation.
    When the Lord Jesus first convicted us and showed us the origin it was hard to know how to go about it, and over the years we tried to keep peace in the family by compromising a little here and a little there. But, true, total victory came when we cut all off. No gift exchange, that means no acceptance of a gift from “Uncle Ralph” who only sends a token gift each year for conscience sake, no decorations, no cards, no participation in any parties, singing of carols. NOTHING. Because the lines between the worldly and “churchy” have been so blurred and intermingled that they are indistinguishable.
    It is lonely at times, but the peace of Jesus is worth it.
    And you will not have to worry about separating yourself from them…..they will separate YOU from their company!
    Praise Jesus for conviction.

  26. Hi Stella Marie – You may find the article Pilgrim referred to <a href="http://defendingcontending.com/2009/12/16/john-macarthurs-take-on-christmas/&quot; here .

    Ack – there goes my computer! Or maybe it's me… Second try. Article found: Here.

  27. Thank-you brother Michael. I remembered reading something about “christmas” here last year. I could not remember the name of the article and could not get my computer to co-operate with that link.

  28. Still have a lot of family who think we need to put Christ back in Christmas…. not an easy road but who are we on this Earth to please? Nice to see others taking this stand!
    http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/xmas/

    Should a Christian Celebrate Christmas?
    http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/xmas/celeb.htm

  29. I applaud your decision. I don’t think it controversial by any means. My parents decided very early on that they would not celebrate Christmas for many of the reasons that you stated. So I grew up without the whole Christmas tree/decorations/Santa Claus shindig. Our church didn’t make a big deal out of it either, allowing each individual family to decide whether they wanted to celebrate it or not. I knew other families who also refrained from celebrating. However, in deference to relatives who still chose to celebrate the holiday, we made it more about family, so every Christmas we have a big get-together with the extended family around a turkey dinner. Some people give gifts, but it’s never required. So instead of focusing on all the materialism and pagan aspects, we focus on relationships.

    Easter is also a non-event for my family, for similar reasons. We still do birthdays, but make them low-key family affairs—sans candles on the birthday cake (also a pagan tradition my parents decided to do without). So, you are definitely not alone. I don’t have anything against believers who choose to celebrate certain holidays like Christmas and Easter—-but do believe that if the Lord convicts one’s heart about their questionable origins, one should follow those convictions.

  30. Good on ya mate, for standing for truth and standing against the well-established norm.

    http://revivalandreformation.wordpress.com/2010/09/04/should-we-celebrate-christmas/

  31. Where in the bible does it ever mention Jesus’ birthday as something that should be celebrated. IF the Holy Spirit wanted us to celebrate it don’t you think he would have had something in scripture about it. Wouldn’t the Early Church (first 300 years) be celebrating it. Wouldn’t it be in the writings of the church fathers. II Cor. 5 says, “henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.” Jesus in the flesh is a what we have in the N.T. – all we need to know. We don’t need to add anything to it. Taking what is obviously not even close to what might be the actual birthday of our Lord, attaching it to the most pagan days of celebration in the history of the world, dressing it up with all that Madison Avenue can create, and then trying to stop the world from re-paganizing it is an exercise of folly and fret with all manner of deception of the true gospel. Please, just give gifts to those in need but don’t call it Jesus’ birthday.

  32. When I use to celebrate Christmass, one of the things I remember was that warm and fuzzy sentimental feeling that came during this time of year. I know everyone who has ever celebrated the day well knows what I am talking about. The sights, the smells and especially the sounds all blended together to create a feeling that would crack the hardened heart of Scrooge.

    The songs especially play one of the biggest roles in this endeavor as one is literally bombarded with them at the stores, on the radio, and heard in many TV specials and cartoons. One of the fascinating things I discovered in my studies of this day is that many of these songs were written by unbelieving Jews. Hard to believe for some I’m sure, but true none the less. All done as part of the effort to resurrect the day from one of vandalism and class segregation in the early 1800′s and turn it into a merchandising monstrosity to line the pockets of the elite (see Christmas Reborn – The creation of a consumer Christmas. Can anyone say cha-ching?

    In writhing this, please note that I am not speaking of some Jewish conspiracy but rather sharing a historical fact that is quite amazing as we are told over and over again that this is a Christian day. My point in highlighting this is that the more you unwrap this day/season the more you find out that all that glitters is not gold, and all that is billed as Christian is far, far from it.

    Here is the list of some of these
    famous songs.

    No Ho Ho.

  33. Your post stunned me. Just about 12 hours ago, I shared with my oldest child(17 yrs old) and my husband that I’d be essentially “skipping Christmas.” Of course they were astounded and I had a somewhat lengthy conversation with my daughter which left me feeling like the Grinch, but this has been something that I’ve been contemplating for several years. While I’m not looking forward to the endless questions about my conviction, I am encouraged that I am not alone. Thank you for sharing!

  34. Thank you so much for this article — sent it to my immediate family and forgot that I would have to explain “orgy” to our 15 year old son. I have been on the fringe of this journey for a few years but felt really convicted last year and your article cinches it! It was powerful and the words “hypocrite” ring in my ears. Thank you for being brave, contending for the faith, and pushing Christians out of the closet and exposing/challenging our secret sin.

    The YouTube of the homeless man is missing today and wanted our son to see it — can you add the link again. Thank you. judy

  35. I liked the piece as well as all the thought provoking responses. I echo the food for thought that is abundant in this post. To be quite agreeable, I have been having second thoughts for a while now myself. I have been finding that it is extremely difficult to weed out all the fake, cheap, and disastrous parts of this annual “event”, along with the other “events” that bring out the “part timers” throughout the year. I also agree that the lines have been so blurred that it really isn’t a celebration of Christ at all. It is in its raw and unedited version filled with greed, lust, idolatry, and covetousness.
    Each year I get the same questions from family, “What do you want for Christmas?” I give the same response, “nothing”. I have tried desperately to ward off gift giving but, to no avail. I have a lot of unbelievers and even professing believers who just end up doing what they want and ignoring my requests.
    Now to add a little twist into the conversation, what does a person do, who in my situation, is married to an unbeliever, who simply adores this celebration? I came to faith, trusting in Christ, after we were married. We have two very young children and it weighs heavily on my mind as I consider the situation I find myself in. I have on more than one occasion had conversations about the fairy tale piece of the holiday with family members and friends – I think you can guess the outcome.

  36. For several years, I’ve told my family members to give money to the Bible League for my “Christmas gift”. My grown daughter finally got that, although she and her new husband are gearing up for the season as usual. We had the whole family together for Thanksgiving and talked about this “Christmas” thing briefly. My adult son understands as does my wife. We need to approach this – and many other issues – with prayer and humility. None of us were born with the understanding we now have – so we need to be understanding with those who come after. We will in their shoes on other issues.

  37. 4000 YEARS OF CHRISTMAS is the title of a pro-Christmas book by Dr. Earl W. Count, B.D., PH.D., written in 1948. He dedicated his book, “To you who have loved Christmas and have made it beautiful.” On page 11, Dr. Count states, “Christmas is one of mankind’s greatest experiences. For more than four thousand years, spreading over the earth, it has drawn loyalties and longings of millions of people…” Dr. Count states that ancient history tells us, “of an old, old Babylonian festival that moves westward, dividing its ways as it comes: through Greece into Rome as a festival that remodels itself at every step to fit the people among whom it settles…” (page 12).
    TRUER WORDS could not be spoken! My what a contrast: 1. If one wants to rejoice in the birth of Christ and the miracle of God in the Flesh– we have the pure Word of God to give us perfect doctrine and practice. And when one limits himself/herself to the Word of God– SHOCK! Fixation upon a baby is not there. The accepted ‘Christian Christmas’ is not there. Secular/commercial Christmas is not there. WHAT IS PRESENT is a total focus on the wonder of salvation from sin! A total and singular glorying in God. No one in the New Testament EVER celebrated the birthday of Jesus… on any day… and certainly not on December 25. What did happen is that in the midst of life, on any day, in any month… they would suddenly burst forth with glorious wonder at the miracles, the fruit of what we refer to as the INCARNATION: :“And the Word (Jesus) became flesh, and dwelt among us (and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father), full of grace and truth.” (John 1:14) “Thanks be to God for His unspeakable Gift.” (2 Cor. 9:15) “…Jesus Christ: Who being in the form of God,…took upon Him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men…he humbled Himself …unto death, even the death of the cross.” (Phil. 2:1-11) “And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH…..” (1 Tim. 3:16) CULTURAL/RELIGIOUS CHRISTMAS robs us of the singular wonder of “UNTO YOU A SAVIOUR IS BORN!”

  38. In ignorance I celebrated what the world told me was a “Christian” holiday. It wasn’t until after the “holiday” last year that I happened upon brother Michael’s article http://thehouriscoming.com/articles/unwrapcmass.pdf (brother Michael, you have my gratitude!)
    I was completely convicted and proceeded to throw away everything pertaining to this December 25th celebration (I have a hard time even saying the word because it is so dishonoring). God is holy and we would honor Him by not attaching His name to everything surrounding this day, i.e., parties, sales, cookies, liquor, etc……Let alone the word “mass” that is completely Catholic in origin and is an abomination. I frequently refer to it as the Roman holiday as a point of reference. Be fervent in prayer and ask that our Lord keep you resolute in your convictions as you seek to honor Him. It will not be easy but completely worth the price eternally!

  39. It is clear from the comments posted that some of the “Christmas is unbiblical” camp are from independent and non-confessing churches. Reformed churches have a long history of celebrating the season of Advent. The season of Advent is a holy season for the church. Is is right and correct for the church to remember and honor the coming of our Savior into His creation to save a people unto Himself.

    Christmas is not a plain thing or a main thing within the Christian faith. But, as with most things, Christmas can be crass; or it can be celebrated in a way honoring to God.

    This season, honor God by keeping His commandments; by loving your neighbor as yourself. When someone says Merry Christmas this season, respond by inviting them to come to church with you to hear the word of God preached. Love them by giving them the Good News of the Gospel of God.

  40. Craig,

    I would be interested to know how you define “non-confessing” churches and “Reformed” for that matter as well. As one who has pastored two different reformed churches, I would disagree with your generalization on celebrating Advent.

    You state it is right and correct for the church to remember “the holy season” of Advent. Where do we find the basis of this in the Scriptures?

    From a historical standpoint, even the Roman Catholic Church does not recognize that this was a practice that began at the earliest until the end of the 4th century and maybe as late as the 8th century. Believers who have held to the simplicity of the Scriptures and who have held to Sola Scriptura have not always practiced the celebration of “Advent” or “Christmas.” It is of interest in reading the basis for the RCC as to why they practice Advent. It is not only the foundation of a works-based attempt at gaining salvation, but it is also the same adulation that comes from the mother-infant worship that began much earlier with Seramis & Tammuz. Seramis was the mother of Nimrod and married her own son and had a baby named Tammuz.

    If certain churches have a long history of doing something, does that make it biblical? As an example, many evangelical churches have a long history of conducting altar calls and “children’s church.” Does that make those things biblical? Of course not, they are add-ons for expediency sake at best. And further, if the “confessing churches” or “reformed churches” only have a history of celebrating going back to the 16th or 17th century, it makes me wonder why it began to do so in some semblance of conformity to the mother church from which most of them descended.

    Can this time of year be used to invite others? Of course it can, but the rest of the year should also be used to share the gospel with others if we are following the commands of Scripture.

    And one final thought for now, while Scripture does not authorize the honor and worship of the Lord’s birth each year, it DOES authorize the ordinance of both baptism and the Lord’s Table. The Lord’s Table specifically was given as a command and in so doing we remember Him until He come again. It is through this ordinance that we are to portray His life, death, burial, resurrection, and soon coming back to take His Bride unto Himself. That is what makes each and every day a holy day and each season a holy season.

    Thanks again for your thoughts. I look forward to your response.

    The Desert Pastor

  41. Well said Desert Pastor.
    Aside from the obvious pagan origin and unbiblical practices of the “season” (of which Jesus is NOT the reason), why is this the only time of year we should be benevolent.
    Every day is sacred and should be treated as such!
    Jesus Christ, that babe in the manger, is coming very soon for His Bride, the Church!
    He is no longer that babe, He is the Lion of the tribe of Judah and He is coming back for a Church that is ready, watching and waiting for His appearing.
    Glory to the Lamb, slain from the foundation of the world.
    I am glad that I can say, I’m one of His.

  42. To: The Desert Pastor

    To your question –
    Confessing churches – congregation confesses to a fixed set of beliefs. Examples would be the Belgic, Heidelberg and Westminster Confessions.

    Reformed – Churches that teach Salvation is by Grace alone, by Faith alone, through Christ alone to the Glory of God alone. Five Solas

    As to the question about that Advent is not found in bible, that is utter nonsense. As a reformed pastor, you surely know that all we are; and all we do is for the glory of God. When we remember the promises of God and honor God for keeping His promise of Savior, we try to ascribe glory to God. As we remember Christ and New Covenant at the Lord’s Table we also remember Christ’s arrival into His creation at Advent. In Matthew 5:27-28, it is the letter vs. the intent of the law. We are to honor God each and every moment. We simply set aside a specific time each year to remember the first arrival of our Savior in a time we call the Advent season.

    Any point I try to make is made by better men than I. I will redirect you to strong men of the faith and their articles. If you disagree with these reformed pastors, that is ok. We can chalk this one up to a more zealous faith.

    Is the Celebration of Christmas a Pagan Ritual? by R.C. Sproul
    http://www.ligonier.org/blog/is-the-celebration-of-christmas-a-pagan-ritual/

    The Glory of Christmas by R.C. Sproul
    http://www.ligonier.org/blog/glory-christmas/

    Santa Christ? by Sinclair Ferguson
    http://www.ligonier.org/blog/santa-christ/

    Awaiting His Return by Burk Parsons
    http://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/awaiting-his-return/

    The Big Picture by Robert Reymond
    http://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/big-picture/

  43. Craig,

    Thanks for your response. Based on your definitions, I would consider us to be a confessing and a reformed church, but not in the direction of say the Presbyterians or Lutherans.

    Let me clarify a point I made because it would appear you misread what I wrote. Is the first coming of Christ in the Bible? Yes, of course. My statement though was that nowhere are we commanded to celebrate a special time of year for His birth. Also, the Scriptures do not authorize us to worship or honor the birth of the Saviour. Also, my comment was in regard to the celebration of what is called “Advent.” This was not found in the early New Testament church. It was a practice that came through the corrupt Roman Catholic religion.

    For what it is worth, the question is not whether we bring to remembrance whether Christ was born or not. It is again whether we are commanded to do so. If there is no explicit command to celebrate “Christ-mass”, then why are we doing it? The early church did not celebrate the event of His first coming, but it was always in view of His second for which they longed particularly when seeking a sanctified life and when they celebrated the ordinance of the Lord’s Table.

    I am not aware of any true, biblical church history that shows a time when the picture brought to mind is the worship of the babe, or the new-born King. The early church does not leave a record that shows they had a special time where Joseph, Mary, and the Babe were held in high esteem with a celebration. I am sure even the shepherds, and the wise men (who came to His home when He was a young toddler – NOT to the manger) would be appalled at what is seen today even in the so-called “worship” found within the confines of modern Christianity.

    Just food for thought. I do appreciate your difference in opinion.

  44. To: The Desert Pastor

    One error we can make in judging the RCC is that the RCCh was always corrupt and apostate. Is was for a time, a true church fighting for the faith. Another error we can make is that anything related to or practiced by the RCC is false. I consider those inside the RCC a mission field. The RCC teachings are damned-able, but it’s people are to cared for.

    The church has grown and developed through history. It’s theology has been clarified in response to heresies. The church’s liturgy has developed over the years in an effort to better honor God. The church’s reformation was a response to recover truth; to recover the true Gospel.

    The idea that if the first century church did not do something, then we should not do it either, is not a sound argument. It seems that throughout church history, the church faced a different issue to battle. The same heresies go round and round, but the exact issues changed. We benefit from the great men of the faith that have gone before us. We stand here today with a great debt to the magisterial reformers and the first century Christians.

    Advent is not about the worship of the babe in the manger, it is about the Glory of God.
    As it is written … with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God and saying,
    “Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace among those with whom he is pleased.”

    So each Advent season, whether commanded by scripture or not, I can say, “Glory to God in highest, He shall reign forever and ever. Amen”

  45. One couple of quick points Craig, the RCC has NEVER been a true church fighting for the faith. From its earliest inception under Constantine who successfully attempted the use of syncretism to gain the hearts of the masses, they have been corrupt – a corruption that has only grown worse with each passing year.

    Yes, the people are to be cared for, but not pacified in their love of heresy. Second, there has always been a remnant, sometimes large and sometimes small, that have held to the true gospel. Church history makes clear (although many try to cloud the truth) that long before the “reformation”, there were those who held to the fundamentals of the faith. One such group being those who are baptistic in doctrine. Baptists are not Protestants for they were never in the church of Rome. Even the RCC grudgingly recognizes this as fact.

  46. Pilgrim, I pray that you and your family survive this season. I am speaking from years of experience here, and even after all these years there is still conflict within the family. Your biggest opposition will come from the ones who profess Christ, your worldly friends and relatives will no doubt be upset and confused but will not be as angry as your “Christian” friends/family. Your “Christian” friends/family will think that you are “holier than thou”, that you are trying to de-Christianize them. Arguments like, “we did it for years and it hasn’t hurt us”. Hasn’t it?
    In the beginning we tried to explain and warn our families of the pagan roots, etc. We were not prepared for the rage we encountered. It is heart-breaking to present truth to people you love and have them disregard it as nothing. I am not saying that they are not Christians, that is not my call. But you cannot just hold your hands over your eyes and pick and choose what truth you want to believe and abide by and the other that makes you uncomfortable or costs you something just throw aside as untrue. It raises definite question marks.
    Over the years we have increasingly pulled away from those family members who are antagonistic towards us, in an effort to keep peace for the aging parent’s sake. But, they draw us in and bait us each year with things.
    I am just always happy when January 2 arrives. (New Year’s celebrations are another subject entirely)
    May your family experience peace from the Prince of Peace this year!

  47. “So, as those who have been chosen of God. holy and beloved, put on a heart of compassion, kindness, humitliy, gentleness, and patience; bearing with one another, and forgiving each other, whoever has a complaint against anyone; just as the Lord forgave you, so also should you. Beyond all these things; put on love, which is the perfect bond of unity. Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, to which indeed you were called in one body; and be thankful. Let the word of Christ richly dwell within you, with psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with thankfulness in your hearts to God. Whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks through Him to God the Father.” Colossians 3:12-17.

    This is a secondary issue and should not be a dividing point among the brethren. We are not God and we can not judge if someone is truly singing Glory to God in the Highest or What Child is This, from the love in their heart to their Savior or if they are merely giving lip service and their heart is fixed on this world. We should love and respect and encourage those who feel they should abstain, and the abstainers should exhibit love and patience with those whom do not share the same conviction. “Above all, keep fervent in your love for one another, because love covers a multitude of sins. Be hospitable to one another without complaint. As each one has received a special gift, employ it in serving one another as good stewards of the manifold grace of God. Whoever speaks, is to do so as one who is speaking the utterances of God; whoever serves is to do so as one who is serving by the strength which God supplies; so that in all things God may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom belongs the glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen. 1 Peter 4:8-11

  48. Mary, I do not see anywhere where Scripture tells us to “abstain” from holding each other as brothers and sisters in Christ accountable. Quite the contrary, there is a multitude of Scripture that defines how to do it, the reasons to do it, and warnings to examine the motives of our heart.
    The Pilgrim clearly said that he is not judging but explaining what his family is doing and the Scriptural references to back it up. Other “Christians” are challenging him. As you know, Christians do not judge but point to Scripture as the judge. However, Christian are commanded to “. . . always be ready to make a defense to everyone who ask you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence . . .” The Pilgrim has exercised great restraint and “good behavior in Christ” 1 Peter 3: 15-16.
    And to the Pilgrim, 1 Peter 5:16, “but if anyone suffers as a Christian, he is not to be ashamed, but is to glorify God in this name. For it is time for judgment to begin with the household of God . . . “ John MacArthur describes this ‘judgment’ as not condemnation , but the purging, chastening, and purifying of the church by the loving hand of God. Shouldn’t we always be thankful for Christians who submit to suffering as obedient instruments of the Lord’s refining fire?

  49. The last time my family celebrated christ-mass was 2004.

    Below are a few things that helped convince me.

    The Origin Of Christmas
    http://www.lasttrumpetministries.org/tracts/tract3.html

    The True Meaning Of Christ-Mass
    http://www.lasttrumpetministries.org/tracts/tract4.html

  50. I just ran across this penetrating, concise, scriptural analysis of the holiday known as Christmas, by one A.W. Pink: http://www.apuritansmind.com/Christmas/AWPinkOnChristmas.htm

    I will be sharing this with my family. May the Lord open our eyes to His Truth and give us understanding therein.

    Here is the beginning of Pink’s short article, to whet your appetite:

    Christmas
    Why would you want to celebrate a Roman Catholic Holy-day?

    Christmas
    by A. W. Pink

    “Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen . . . for the CUSTOMS of the people are vain.” (Jer. 10:1-3)

    Christmas is coming! Quite so; but what is “Christmas?” Does not the very term itself denote its source — “Christ-mass.” Thus it is of Romish origin, brought over from Paganism. But, says someone, Christmas is the time when we commemorate the Saviour’s birth. It is? And who authorized such commemoration? Certainly God did not. The Redeemer bade His disciples “remember” Him in His death, but there is not a word in Scripture, from Genesis to Revelation, which tells us to celebrate His birth. Moreover, who knows when, in what month, He was born? The Bible is silent thereon. Is it without reason that the only “birthday” commemorations mentioned in God’s Word are Pharaoh’s (Gen. 40:20) and Herod’s (Matt. 14:6)? Is this recorded “for our learning?” If so, have we prayerfully taken it to heart?

    And who is it that celebrates “Christmas?” The whole “civilized world.” Millions who make no profession of faith in the blood of the Lamb, who “despise and reject Him,” and millions more who while claiming to be His followers yet in works deny Him, join in merrymaking under the pretense of honoring the birth of the Lord Jesus. Putting it on its lowest ground, we would ask, Is it fitting that His friends should unite with His enemies in a worldly round of fleshly gratification? Does any truly born-again soul really think that He whom the world cast out is either pleased or glorified by such participation in the world’s joys? Verily, the customs of the people are vain; and it is written, “Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil” (Ex. 23:2).

    Some will argue for the “keeping of Christmas” on the ground of “giving the kiddies a good time.” But why do this under cloak of honoring the Saviour’s birth? Why is it necessary to drag in His holy name in connection with what takes place at that season of carnal jollification? Is this taking the little ones with you out of Egypt (Ex. 10:9,10) a type of the world, or is it not plainly a mingling with the present-day Egyptians in their “pleasures of sin for a season?” (Heb. 11:25). Scripture says, “Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.” (Prov. 22:6). Scripture does command God’s people to bring up their children “in the nurture and admonition of the Lord” (Eph. 6:4), but where does it stipulate that it is our duty to give the little ones a “good time?” Do we ever give the children “a good time” when we engage in anything upon which we cannot fittingly ask the Lord’s blessing?

    There are those who do abstain from some of the grosser carnalities of the “festive season,” yet are they nevertheless in cruel to the prevailing custom of “Christmas” namely that of exchanging “gifts.” We say “exchanging” for that is what it really amounts to in many cases. A list is kept, either on paper or in memory, of those from whom gifts were received last year, and that for the purpose of returning the compliment this year. Nor is this all: great care has to be taken that the “gift” made to the friend is worth as much in dollars and cents as the one they expect to receive from him or her. Thus, with many who can ill afford it, a considerable sum has to be set aside each year with which to purchase things simply to send them out in return for others which are likely to be received. Thus a burden has been bound on them which not a few find hard to bear.

    But what are we to do? If we fail to send out “gifts” our friends will think hard of us, probably deem us stingy and miserly. The honest course is to go to the trouble of notifying them — by letter if at a distance — that from now on you do not propose to send out any more “Christmas gifts” as such. Give your reasons. State plainly that you have been brought to see that “Christmas merry-making” is entirely a thing of the world, devoid of any Scripture warrant; that it is a Romish institution, and that now you see this, you dare no longer have any fellowship with it (Eph. 5:11); that you are the Lord’s “free man” (I Cor. 7:22), and therefore you refuse to be in to a costly custom imposed by the world.

    What about sending out “Christmas cards” with a text of Scripture on them? That also is an abomination in the sight of God. Why? Because His Word expressly forbids all unholy mixtures; Deut. 22:10, 11 typified this. What do we mean by an “unholy mixture?” This: the linking together of the pure Word of God with the Romish “Christ-mass.” By all means send cards, preferably at some other time of the year, to your ungodly friends, and [at] Christmas too, with a verse of Scripture, but not with “Christmas” on it. What would you think of a printed program of a vaudeville having Isa. 53:5 at the foot of it? Why, that it was altogether out of place, highly incongruous. But in the sight of God the circus and the theatre are far less obnoxious than the “Christmas celebration” of Romish and Protestant “churches.” Why? Because the latter are done under the cover of the Holy name of Christ; the former are not.

    “But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.” (Prov. 4:18) Where there is a heart that really desires to please the Lord, He graciously grants increasing knowledge of His will. If He is pleased to use these lines in opening the eyes of some of His dear people to recognize what is growing evil, and to show them that they have been dishonoring Christ by linking the name of the Man of Sorrows (and such He was, when on earth) with a “Merry Christmas,” then join with the writer in a repentant confessing of this sin to God, seeking His grace for complete deliverance from it, and praise Him for the light which He has granted you concerning it.

    Beloved fellow-Christian, “The coming of the Lord draweth nigh.” (Jas. 5:8) Do we really believe this? Believe it not because the Papacy is regaining its lost temporal power, but because God says so — “for we walk by faith, not by sight.” (2 Cor. 5:7) If so, what effects does such believing have on our walk? This may be your last Christmas on earth. During it the Lord may descend from heaven with a shout to gather His own to Himself. Would you like to be summoned from a “Christmas party” to meet Him in the air? The call for the moment is, “Go ye out to meet Him” (Matt. 25:6) out from a Godless Christendom, out from the Christ —deserted “churches,” out from the horrible burlesque of “religion” which now masquerades under His name.

    “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.” (2 Cor. 5:10) How solemn and searching! The Lord Jesus declared that “every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.” (Matt. 12:36) If every “idle word” is going to be taken note of, then most assuredly will be every wasted energy, every wasted dollar, every wasted hour! Should we still be on earth when the closing days of this year arrive, let writer and reader earnestly seek grace to live and act with the judgment-seat of Christ before us. His “well done” will be ample compensation for the sneers and taunts which we may now receive from countless souls.

    Does any Christian reader imagine for a moment that when he or she shall stand before their holy Lord, that they will regret having lived “too strictly” on earth? Is there the slightest danger of His reproving any of His own because they were “too extreme” in “abstaining from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul.” (1 Peter 2:11)? We may gain the good will and good word of worldly religionists today by our compromisings on “little (?) points,” but shall we receive His smile of approval on that Day? Oh to be more concerned about what He thinks, and less concerned about what perishing mortals think.

    “Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil.” (Ex. 23:2) Ah, it is an easy thing to float with the tide of popular opinion; but it takes much grace, diligently sought from God, to swim against it. Yet that is what the heir of heaven is called on to do: to “Be not conformed to this world” (Rom. 12:2), to deny self, take up the cross, and follow a rejected Christ. How sorely does both writer and reader need to heed that word of the Saviour, “Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thou crown.” (Rev. 3:11) Oh that each of us may be able to truthfully say, “I have refrained my feet from every evil way, that I might keep Thy Word.” (Psa.. 119:101)

    Our final word is to the pastors. To you the Word of the Lord is, “Be thou an example of believers in word, in deportment, in love, in spirit, in faith, in purity.” (1 Tim. 4:12) Is it not true that the most corrupt “churches” you know of, where almost every fundamental of the faith is denied, will have their “Christmas celebrations?” Will you imitate them? Are you consistent to protest against unscriptural methods of “raising money,” and then to sanction unscriptural “Christmas services?” Seek grace to firmly but lovingly set God’s Truth on this subject before your people, and announce that you can have no part in following Pagan, Romish, and Worldly customs.

    N. B.—The following extract is from the late C.H. Spurgeon’s exposition of Psa. 81 in the Treasury of David. “Blow up the trumpet in the new moon, in the time appointed, on our solemn feast day.” (v. 3) Obedience is to direct our worship, not whim and sentiment: God’s appointments gives a solemnity to rites and times which no ceremonial pomp or hierarchical ordinance could confer. The Jews not only observed the ordained month, but that part of the month which had been divinely set apart. The Lord’s people in the olden time welcomed the times appointed for worship; let us feel the same exultation, and never speak of the Sabbath as though it could be other than a ‘delight’ and ‘honorable.’ Those who plead this passage as an authority for their man-appointed feasts and fasts must be moon-struck. We will keep such feast as the Lord appoints, but not those which Rome or Canterbury may ordain.

    ‘For this was a statute for Israel, and a law of the God of Jacob.’ (v. 4) It was a precept binding upon all the tribes that a scared person should be set apart to commemorate the Lord’s mercy, and truly it was but the Lord’s due. He had a right and a claim to such special homage. When it can be proved that the observance of Christmas, Whitsuntide and other Popish festivals were ever instituted by a divine statute, we will also attend to them, but not till then. It is as much our duty to reject the traditions of men as to observe the ordinances of the Lord.”

  51. I thought you might enjoy this. Advent Conspiracy Promo Video on youtube. May God change our hearts to not just hear but do this.

  52. Amen!

  53. I came under conviction about three years ago and yes my family thinks that I have lost it and so do the people that I work with think it a strange thing I don’t observe Christmas and man’s other “holidays”. I can only say that I am here to please our Lord and Savior, not the world. It is such a freedom to not have to go thru all the hustle and bustle at their so called “Christmas time”. I call it the pagan holiday!!! I refuse to attend a church that even has a Christmas tree in it because as I see it, it is an idol in God’s sanctuary and I refuse to be a part of it.
    I will have to account to God one day just as every one else does. I have warned just about everyone I talk to about this pagan tradition and they just turn a deaf ear even so called Christians. All we can do is plant the seed and pray to God to do the increase. I feel that people don’t want to know the truth, they want to pick and choose what they can do and ignore God’s commandments for us. There are to many sources out their for people to research to find out if I am telling the truth about this. I applaud you for speaking out on this. I was beginning to think that I was the only one that felt this way and it is no nice to know that I have other brothers and sisters out there who boldly stand up for the TRUTH. God Bless you and may you keep speaking out on this.

  54. Well said Barb; your post, as well as the others have been a blessing. Indeed it can be a lonely place. And what a tragedy that during the year many leaders in the church (especially those Reformed) will speak out against the evils of Catholicism such as Transubstantiation, Mary worship, Papal hierarchy, etc. Yet oh how quickly their tune changes come Christ-mass time as the silence becomes deafening and we hear all manner of justifying this day/season.

    As one observes this it becomes abundantly clear that these and most of their flocks have become hypnotized by the enchantments of the harlot as she seduces them with her smells, bells and many of her songs. All of which have been eagerly adopted by the compromising church as she teaches both young and old to bow down and worship according to Rome’s syncretistic apostasy and her man-made liturgical calendar.

    And to think how all this is done by those who know the history of Rome and how she has slaughtered so many of the saints; saints whose blood cries out against the harlot and I’d dare say those in bed with her.

  55. My, my, oh my, on the risk of breaking the rules, I will say it, some of you are just plain nuts.

    You go and find any article on some piddly little web page to support your non-historic view of the Christian faith. You don’t search out the views of a true Church historian. No, you go find any nonsense on the web which fits your views. Most of the comments spouted off have absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand, nothing.

    I challenge you to tell me that RC Sproul is full of nonsense. That his view of the Reformed faith is incorrect. Go read, go learn.

    Is the Celebration of Christmas a Pagan Ritual? by R.C. Sproul
    http://www.ligonier.org/blog/is-the-celebration-of-christmas-a-pagan-ritual/

    I shake my head, and dust my feet.

  56. Truly we are in the last days; I am defending a view of Pilgrim’s.

    Craig: While some of the posters may be a little extreme – and A.W. Pink is a lot extreme – the fact is that it is their conviction that Christmas is not acceptable for them to take part in, mostly for its history of being a “transition” holiday from pagan festivals; that is, a pagan festival co-opted by to make the transition easier for Christians. There are some who see Christmas as bad because, as a book I read once put it, “fellowship is a word invented by Christians who see fun as a sin,” but for most of the people posting, that is not the issue.

    Now, I celebrate Christmas. I examined myself and my motives and, yes, I can, with a clear conscience, celebrate Christmas, even being aware of its sordid past. I come with a past no less sordid. That being said, not only is Pilgrim and many other who don’t celebrate it no in the wrong for not celebrating, but they would be sinning if they did; they believe it is wrong and would be violating their consciences and convictions. The Bible is explicit that in “gray areas”, you accommodate each other. I don’t deride them for their conviction and send them gifts with a note saying, “lighten up” and they don’t declare me an apostate and picket outside my house. This is one of those areas where accommodation is the word of the day.

    Now Pilgrim has, in his post, explicitly said that it was his conviction and was not passing judgment on those who don’t share it, so even if the view offends you, his manner should not.

    Short answer, Craig, is that you need to be more agreeable and not expect others to have your convictions.

  57. BTW, that Amen above was for Manfreds comment.

    But while I’m at it, amen to Barb and Michael as well.

    How’s this for nuts? :)

    I don’t even refer to the “holi’day as “christ”mass anymore… I call it what it is…

    saturnalia… which was/is the pagan festival on Dec. 25th. every year.

    anti-christ-mass would be another good name for it I suppose.

    As far as R.C. Sproul, I think he sounds very ecumenical in that link above.

    I find it offensive that Sproul said, “Roman Catholic Church” as if to give it some kind of credence in a true believers life.

    Just as we cannot serve God and mammon..

    1 Corinthians 10:21 You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons; you cannot partake of the Lord’s table and of the table of demons.

    Who cares about mans opinion or what the relatives will say if we spoil their fun?

    What matters is Gods opinion.

    Deuteronomy 12:3,4 3 And you shall destroy their altars, break their sacred pillars, and burn their wooden images with fire; you shall cut down the carved images of their gods and destroy their names from that place. 4 You shall not worship the Lord your God with such things.

    Deuteronomy 12:29-32 29 “When the Lord your God cuts off from before you the nations which you go to dispossess, and you displace them and dwell in their land, 30 take heed to yourself that you are not ensnared to follow them, after they are destroyed from before you, and that you do not inquire after their gods, saying, ‘How did these nations serve their gods? I also will do likewise.’ 31 You shall not worship the Lord your God in that way; for every abomination to the Lord which He hates they have done to their gods; for they burn even their sons and daughters in the fire to their gods. 32 Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away from it.

    1 Timothy 1:9,10 9 knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine,

    1 Corinthians 10:11 Now all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages have come.

  58. That R.C. Sproul article that Craig linked to includes this statement: “I can’t think of anything more pleasing to Christ than the church celebrating his birthday every year.” With all the content IN the Bible clearly stating what pleases Him, Sproul hangs his hat on something NOT IN the Bible? How’s that for resting on man’s imagination?

  59. Unprofitable: Quoting the O. T. commands, you have to remember that God was speaking specifically to the nation of Israel, unless you are suggesting that we as Christians are supposed to be going out to conquer. (cough, Crusades, cough).

    And yes, you are quite nuts for going out of your way to insult those who celebrate Christmas. Do I really need for you to re-read Pilgrim’s concluding statement?

  60. Ok, Craig, it was a simple challenge and I for one will take it up and keep it just as simple as you requested.

    RC Sproul IS full of a lot of nonsense, and his view of the Reformed faith is incorrect. In all areas, of course not, but in far too many – yes!

    I’m sorry that so many would prefer to gain their knowledge from somebody just because they are well-known. Being well-known does not equate to orthodoxy. It would be far better to study the Scriptures and disregard those who strive to stay too close to the bed of Rome from where Sproul’s denomination originally came from. Some traditions and teaching still remain and far too many are leaving orthodoxy behind and trying to befriend Rome and the evangelical world at the same time. However, two cannot walk together except they be agreed – and these two groups will never meet in the middle!

  61. 072591,

    The reason I quoted the OT scriptures regarding God specifically telling Israel to NOT worship Him in the sick way the pagans did is because, as Paul stated,

    1 Corinthians 10:6 Now these things became our examples, to the intent that we should not lust after evil things as they also lusted.

    1 Corinthians 10:11 Now all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages have come.

    Who do Christians think they are to adopt pagan practices and think they can get away with it when Israel was taken captive several times and finally left desolate for doing the same things?

    I’m not insulting those who celebrate “christ”-mass, I am exposing the “holi”days evil, vile, pagan origin.

  62. Barb, bless your heart! “To obey is better than sacrifice”.

    Craig, I suggest you look in a secular encyclopedia if you want no “Christian” slant. How can you defend something so blatantly pagan in origin?

    And Amen Unprofitable Servant! Ultimately we will stand before a Holy God and give account, not our friends and family.

    I agree Manfred, I do not know why most evangelicals make this holiday extra-Biblical (my opinion).

    Desert Pastor, I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment of R.C. Sproul. I have felt for a long time that he is very ecumenical and only wants to go part-way! I think people choose to latch onto folks like him, because they are looking for someone likeminded, that way they do not have to search out the truth for themselves. They will not be able to blame or hide behind that person on Judgment Day.

    I think that those who feel that they are being attacked for celebrating X-mas (yes, I said it) are struggling more with guilt than assurance! (again, my opinion)

    All I know is that I believe this qualifies for something being “highly esteemed” among men!

  63. Berean Gal,

    “I do not know why most evangelicals make this holiday extra-Biblical”

    Political correctness, false doctrine and cowardly shepherds that refuse to lead their flock according to the whole council of God while seeking to be friends of the world and Rome.

  64. I just ran across this: http://www.sermonaudio.com/new_details3.asp?ID=18719

    Described by: Christmas Is Part Of Roman Catholic (Papacy/Antichrist) Missionary Strategy And High-Handed Idolatry

  65. Well stated Unprofitable Servant.

  66. Thanks for the link Manfred, looks interesting.

  67. Desert Pastor,
    As for R. C. Sproul, I’ve wondered why He seems to be out of favor here on this site, and now I see why. But now I am wondering, if he is so ecumenical as you say, (and I’m not sure I see it, but no matter) then why is he regarded with such utter disdain by the Catholic apologists and their followers? My husband, who unfortunately is Catholic, recoils at the mere mention of his name. I have noticed that R. C. is more irenic towards Catholics than some, and also that he quite frequently speaks of Augustine and others, but have always considered him to be opposed to the Roman catholic teaching. I am very curious about this, but this is probably the wrong thread to ask these questions, so I apologize if I am being inappropriate.

  68. I do have a serious question for those who do partake in this obviously pagan holiday that has been co-opted by both the world (mammon) and Rome.

    If one cannot abstain from this “mass” of the Roman false christ, how will one resist and stand against the mark of the beast?

  69. Just when the discussion is civil, along comes the Unprofitable Servant to bring vile slanders against those who don’t agree with him. You’re lucky I don’t know who you are or else … well, let’s just say NOBODY dares slander my commitment, nor my loyalty, to my Lord twice.

    Now, as for the subject at hand, Christmas, whether or not to celebrate it, is an issue this time of year. I’d like to reiterate what I have said before; namely, that if it is your conviction to have nothing to do with it, do not celebrate it. You cannot do so with a clear conscience, so don’t. Now me, I know of its history and its origins, I have sought godly counsel, and have prayed and seriously considered the matter. I do, with a clear conscience, take part in Christmas solely on the basis that – quite bluntly – I am disinterested in what it was and interested in what it is today.

    I see nothing wrong with using playing cards, even though they are descended from tarot cards, including the suits and the face cards. I have no qualms about using an IBM-based computer even though IBM literally ran the information infrastructure of the Holocaust. I consider this issue to be a “food offered to idols” issue. I see nothing wrong with being an American even though my nation was literally founded on the basis of rebellion and took the lead of masons and atheists. (Washington and Thomas Paine respectively)

    But mostly, I, who was an enemy of God, seek to be used by God today; woe betide any who would use the past as the basis to condemn the present.

    Although I do have to note that like the fundamentalist atheists, some of the people here are genuinely angry that we are not acting on their convictions…

  70. 072591 ~ you pretty much answered Unprofitable Servant’s question at the end of his/her last post. Those of us who have a “conviction” (and I feel that sometimes this is a cop-out by those who do not want to love the truth) feel so strongly about it that it is as if we are trying to “snatch some from the fire”.
    May the Lamb that was slain receive the reward of His suffering.

  71. 072591:
    thank-you a thousand times for your last post. Once again, you have put into words exactly what I have been feeling as well.
    I feel that one of the vilest evils of Rome is that it attempts to legislate and enforce beliefs. And then condemns to the flames anyone who does not fall into line. It is the Holy Spirit who convicts and leads us into truth. It cannot be enforced by man. I fear that some who hate Rome, and who are driven by this hatred, are destined to fall prey to the same errors of Rome, namely those that I just mentioned. I’ve been reading church history, and notice that the whole separation and elevation of clergy above the laity resulted from an effort to combat heresy in the early church, which eventually led to the heirarchy present today. Thus one evil gave way to another. God help us all.

  72. I cannot begin to count the number of times I have heard the reasoning given by 072591 FOR celebraing December 25 as a “Christian” day. I do not know him, cannot judge hiis motives, clearness of conscience, ect. But I can disagree with his reasoning. How can something which started out unholy be holy today??? Only God can take something unholy and make it holy. “For if the firstfruit be holy , the lump is also holy; and if the root be holy, so are the branches.” Conversely, if the firstfruit is unholy, so will be the lump, and if the root, so the branches… It seems to me that comparing “food offered to idols” to the “celebration” which takes place on December 25 is like comparing apples with oranges. It is very true that the the idol is really nothing, nor the sacrifices given to it, we know all that to be vanity. BUT idolatry is declared to be abomination, and there are several commands in the New Testament to flee, shun, have no fellowship with idols, ect. I think the distinction we are missing is that December 25 is a “religious feast or festival”. It is not just eating food once offered to idols at a meal with neighbors. Even Matthew Henry in his commentary on this passage ( 1 Cor. 10 ) makes distinction that our Christian liberties only apply in this area if it a civil not religious function. “I would not that ye should have fellowship with the devils.” There is a Lord’s table and a devils table, a Lord’s cup and a devil’s cup and the two should never be mixed. I cannot think of ANY clearer mixture of the true table of the Lord Jesus Christ with idolatry than in the mass……. AND all the other trimmings of December 25th. If we participate in a false religious festival or we say, Oh, this day is to MY god, not your god, but we still follow all the customs, of the other god. WE ARE MIXING truth and light, good and evil, and idolatry with the worship of the one true God. Like it or not, if we participate in the activities of December 25 we are telling the Catholics it is ok to celebrate their “christ” in a mass, it is ok for the Wiccans and Astrologers to celebrate Saturnalia, for the druids to dance around their trees, the celtics to pray to the Yule god for the return of spring, and the heathen among us to eat, drink and be merry to the point of ungodly revelry. We are by our particpation fellowshipping and associating with idolatry. We do not think of ourselves in America as Idolaters, Because we do not have gold-plated statues in our house which we bow down to, or demon infested trees which we seek guidance from, WE are not Idolaters……. People become furious when you even suggest the idea……yet, we defend this day which is in every aspect idolatrous, and get raging mad when anyone suggests we might be wrong……

  73. A hearty amen to you Stella Marie!

  74. 072591,

    It has nothing to do with agreeing with me. Who am I?

    It has everything to do with a pagan/worldly/Romish “festival” and it’s opposition to everything to do with “The Way” of God.

    How could such a thing be remotely called a “commitment or loyalty to the Lord”?

    There is a difference between slandering the “holi”day (which I freely admit I do) and slandering those who partake in it.

    For example, if I say “Your idol is is a dumb piece of wood that has nothing to do with true worship of God” and you take offense over said piece of wood and defend it because it can’t defend itself, who has the problem?

    And if I can’t take a shot in the mouth for standing against pagan practices, how would I ever be able to refuse the mark of the beast when it comes?

    I am seriously not afraid of reprecussions for standing against what the scripture is against.

    People do tend to stand in front of their idol to defend it when attacks come though…

    If only we had such a defense of the true faith, the whole faith and nothing but the faith..

    No matter how some try to brush the history of “christ’-mass under the carpet, it was, is and will remain pagan, worldly and tied to Rome. There is simply NO WAY to “redeem” it like so many attempt.

    It’s like saying, “Well that satan guy, yeah he was a bad guy back in the garden but he’s not so bad now..”

    People can be very sincere in their convictions but also be very wrong if said convictions are in direct opposition to what is written.

    And may I suggest that the “godly counsel” you say you sought regarding “christ”-mass is not godly at all if said cousel agrees with pagans, the world or Rome.

    Shepherds who compromise in little will eventually compromise in much.

    It’s the little foxes that spoil the vines.

    He who is unrighteous in little is also unrighteous in much. Luke 16:10

  75. Unprofitable “servant”: I’m done with you. When I do everything I can to stay in the rules that you are out of line and you go even further, there is no point in attempting to correct; and to suggest that I would accept the mark of the beast – forget punch to the mouth, that’s the point where I reach for a baseball bat. That’s like N-bombs to a Black man, but bigger.

    Pilgrim: Seeing the direction that this thread is taking, I’m curious about your thoughts to the reactions and points brought up.

    Also, I’m working on an essay where the thesis is that anti-worldliness and worldliness are the same in all the ways that matter, and this has been very helpful in that regard. My point in the essay is that opposition to the world and being an enemy of the world is a consequence of following Christ, not a goal to be actively sought; your behaviors are still being dictated by the world system, like a teenage rebel who wears black because his parents hate it.

  76. 072591,

    Argue with the Word, not me..

    Even IF the “christ”-mass thing could be twisted into “eating food sacrificed to idols” when it is clearly MUCH worse, Christians are forbidden by the Holy Spirit from doing so.

    Acts 15:28,29 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.

    The only exception given is by Paul when he states if you DON’T KNOW the food was sacrificed to idols, it’s acceptable to eat.

    1 Corinthians 10:27,28 27 If any of those who do not believe invites you to dinner, and you desire to go, eat whatever is set before you, asking no question for conscience’ sake. 28 But if anyone says to you, “This was offered to idols,” do not eat it for the sake of the one who told you, and for conscience’ sake; for “the earth is the Lord’s, and all its fullness.”

    So tell me, when there is a saturnalia tree in someones house, gifts piled under it and a big meal at the table in the same house, how can one say they don’t know if the food was sacrificed to idols?

    John also says it’s sin…

    Revelation 2:14 But I have a few things against you, because you have there those who hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols, and to commit sexual immorality.

    Revelation 2:20 Nevertheless I have a few things against you, because you allow that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce My servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols.

    The scripture rests it’s case.
    _____________________________________________
    And as far as the punch or baseball bat….

    Even IF I did wrong you in some way…

    Romans 12:19 Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord.

  77. Dear Camdenstables (re: your 11/30/10 comment):
    We will continue to have a small time of celebration for our kids on their birthdays. I will continue to do something special for my wife on her birthday (and anniversaries). What we will not do is bury ourselves under useless piles of presents because we feel compelled to, and we will not try to Christianize our birthdays and other milestones by saying we’re really doing it for Jesus because the wise men brought Him gifts. I see no problem with commemorating a special event in the life of a loved one. I hope this answers your question.

    Dear William (re: your 11/30/10 comment):
    My wife and I hold views on those subjects (mentioned in my opening line) that most people (even Christians) don’t hold to. In regards to long-term missions specifically (as you inquired about) we feel that more Christians should be involved. We, ourselves, hope and pray to be full-time missionaries one day, whereas so many Christians I have spoken to are unwilling to leave their comfort zones of America, or are only willing to do short-term missions. I think Jesus meant it when He said “go ye.” I understand that not every single Christian is capable of doing this, but that should not be the “excuse” used by the majority in order to ignore missions.

    Dear Judy (re: your 12/01 comment):
    The video was removed because it was brought to my attention that the song in the video was from a performer that we have reservations about. You can read about who the entertainer is and what our concerns are with him by going to this previous DefCon post.
    I have another video planned to post on Christmas morning that you may want your son to see. Be sure to watch for it.

    Dear Bob (re: your 12/01 comment):
    You asked:

    “What does a person do, who in my situation, is married to an unbeliever, who simply adores this celebration?”

    That’s not an easy situation you’re in. Obviously if she’s an unbeliever she will not practice biblical submission to her husband so you’re in a bind. I don’t have a simple answer for you and ask if someone else has wisdom to share on this matter, to please interject.

    Julie:
    Great video. It hit on so much of what I was trying to say in the post.

    Dear Barb (re: your 12/08 comment):
    You said:

    “I was beginning to think that I was the only one that felt this way and it is no nice to know that I have other brothers and sisters out there who boldly stand up for the TRUTH.”

    Rest assured you’re not alone.

    Dear Craig:
    In your 12/02 (1:13 pm) comment you said:

    “The idea that if the first century church did not do something, then we should not do it either, is not a sound argument.”

    Yet you argued for your position earlier that same day (at 6:03 am) when you said:

    “Reformed churches have a long history of celebrating the season of Advent.”

    Does anyone else see a contradiction in this line of argumentation?

    The Desert Pastor soundly answered your argument when he said that Christ’s birth is not required for us to commemorate but . . .

    “The Lord’s Table specifically was given as a command and in so doing we remember Him until He come again. It is through this ordinance that we are to portray His life, death, burial, resurrection, and soon coming back to take His Bride unto Himself. That is what makes each and every day a holy day and each season a holy season.”

    Your attempts to dissuade me from my decision to forego Christmas were not convincing. I fall back on this:

    Is Christmas a Roman Catholic holiday? YES

    Is the Roman Catholic Church an apostate organization that preaches “another gospel” (Gal. 1). YES

    Is Christmas also saturated with paganism? YES

    Is paganism in opposition to God? YES

    Is coveting, idolatry, lying, greed, gluttony, selfishness, and other behaviors inherent in the Christmas celebration still sin? YES

    As long as the answers to those questions are still YES, then I will refrain from this celebration regardless of how many Reformed churches celebrate it. After all, there are many Reformed churches who hold to biblically unsupported views of the Lord’s Supper and who even baptize infants.

    I strive to be like a Berean and follow Sola Scriptura, even if churches around me don’t, even when someone like you refers to folks like me as “nuts,” and even if you “dust your feet” at us (which your use of this reference is a gross misuse of the Scriptures since Jesus was not instructing His disciples to shake the dust from their feet over the merits of celebrating a holiday.)

    Dear Manfred:
    I don’t think celebrating someone’s birthday is “thinking highly about ourselves” in the context of what Scripture is warning about. If it is, then all recognition of a job well done, anniversaries, promotions, graduations, successful completion of potty training, etc. would be prohibited. These events certainly can be recognized with over-indulgence, but they don’t have to be. And great AW Pink article. He doesn’t beat around the bush.
    And finally, spot on in your comment to Craig regarding Sproul when you said:

    “That R.C. Sproul article that Craig linked to includes this statement: ‘I can’t think of anything more pleasing to Christ than the church celebrating his birthday every year.’ With all the content IN the Bible clearly stating what pleases Him, Sproul hangs his hat on something NOT IN the Bible? How’s that for resting on man’s imagination?”

    DearKaydee:
    Perhaps your inquiry about Sproul would be better handled as a comment on this post.

    Dear 072591:
    I appreciate your backhanded compliment (I think) from 12/09:

    “Truly we are in the last days; I am defending a view of Pilgrim’s.”

    But by your own statement you have conceded that you don’t much agree with me (or most us on here). I have observed that the vast majority of your comments on DefCon have been in objection to our posts or what our readers have written. This is one of the reasons we have of our Rules of Engagement. Please familiarize yourself with numbers one and two specifically.

    You also said:

    “Just when the discussion is civil, along comes the Unprofitable Servant to bring vile slanders against those who don’t agree with him. You’re lucky I don’t know who you are or else … well, let’s just say NOBODY dares slander my commitment, nor my loyalty, to my Lord twice.”

    And you then said:

    “And to suggest that I would accept the mark of the beast – forget punch to the mouth, that’s the point where I reach for a baseball bat. That’s like N-bombs to a Black man, but bigger.”

    I would not jump to the conclusion of celebrating Christmas = propensity to accept the mark of the beast, but if the man wants to make that equation or ask that question, I don’t feel he’s out of line and it certainly does not warrant the threats.

    Please do not make any further threats (veiled or otherwise) on DefCon. Comments on this thread have—for the most part—been acceptable by our standards and even those instances that are questionable are not enough to warrant what amounts to as physical threats . . . especially from one who professes Christ. That behavior brings a reproach on Christ, especially to unbelievers who may be reading this thread. There goes those crazy Christians again, arguing over stupid stuff and willing to do harm to one another.

    To everyone:
    I appreciate your comments and encouragement. I did not intend for this discussion to deteriorate in some of the areas it did, but I think overall it’s been beneficial and I think many seeds have been planted. It was a discussion like this last year that got persuaded my decision this year.

    Sincerely,
    - Pilgrim,

  78. I have this in booklet form, it is really good.

    http://www.eaec.org/bibleanswers/christmas/christians_and_christmas.htm

    There is a quote in it by C.H. Spurgeon that I like:

    “We have no superstitious regard for times and seasons. Certainly we do not believe in the present ecclesiastical arrangement called Christmas…we find no scriptural word whatever for observing any day as the birthday of the Saviour; and consequently, it’s observance is a superstition, because (it’s) not of divine authority…probably the fact is that the ‘holy days’ (were) arranged to fit in with the heathen festivals…how absurd to think we could do it in the spirit of the world, with a Jack Frost clown, a deceptive worldly Santa Claus, and a mixed program of sacred truth with fun, deception, and faction.”

  79. Amen!

    The catholic church can’t get anything right…

    Christ was born on September 29, 4 B.C.

    http://www.israelect.com/reference/WillieMartin/NEWS-4.htm

    I don’t know anything about the guy that wrote the preceding but he is scripturally correct in this matter.

  80. I don’t believe that it is possible to pick the exact date that Jesus Christ was born with such accuracy. If it was really that important, I believe the record of Scripture would have revealed it to us. Even the earliest history accounts do not recount any celebration or even remembrance of His birth until after Constantine used syncretism to re-create the Roman Catholic religion.

    *********
    By the way, this website http://www.israelelect.com is one full of false teaching and heresy. I would discount the entire site.

  81. Never read anything else on that site but that article. I came across it when doing research last year to stand against celebrating “christ”-mass.

    He did break it down accurately as far as the math between dates mentioned in scripture. Paul showed that even false prophets can make true statements at times.

    Titus 1:10-14 10 For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, 11 whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole households, teaching things which they ought not, for the sake of dishonest gain. 12 One of them, a prophet of their own, said, “Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons.” 13 This testimony is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith, 14 not giving heed to Jewish fables and commandments of men who turn from the truth.

    I’ve also read September 29 2 B.C. when I was researching.

    And yes, I agree there is no mention of celebrating the Lords birth either by the early church or more importantly the scriptures.

    I’ve used statements found on evilutionist sites/Wikipedia/Etc. in the past to prove Darwin was a fool. It’s the same as using that site to prove Jesus wasn’t born on December 25th.

    I’d even use a JW new world translation to prove JW’s wrong if it would work.

    It can be done with just John 1:1

  82. Pilgrim: Thank you for your responses. Rest assured, I was not attempting a back-handed compliment; I was trying to make a joke, and forgot that that Internet does not convey voices. I don’t comment much when I am in total agreement because, well, I don’t really have anything to add under those circumstances. I try to not spam up the bandwidth.

    As for my comments toward Unprofitable “servant”, I did consider your words and was thinking that while I was not threatening him (it’s not like I can reach across the Internet), perhaps I was too harsh in my comments toward him; this is why I did not respond right away. Then I read in another thread that he explicitly said that those who celebrate Christmas will take the Mark of the Beast. He is literally claiming that all who celebrate Christmas are Satanic and irredeemable, unless there is some other Mark of the Beast that I am unaware of. In light of his statement after being told what was so offensive about them, I stand by my statements.

  83. No, I specificly said:

    http://defendingcontending.com/2010/12/13/christmas-unwrapped/#comment-25449

    “Like it or not, those who defend idolatry and paganism (“christ”-mass included) will, in the end, find a way to defend taking the mark of the beast.”

    You might want to repent of bearing false witness with your statement: “He is literally claiming that all who celebrate Christmas are Satanic and irredeemable”

    Never said any such things. While there is life, there is hope.

    But paganism and idolatry hold no hope for anyone. And “christ”-mass is both.
    ______________________________________________________________________

    072591,

    It seems that it’s no holds barred with you in defending paganism and idolatry.

    First you threaten me ambiguously:

    http://defendingcontending.com/2010/11/29/a-radical-approach-to-december-25th-why-we-wont-be-celebrating-christmas-this-year/#comment-25339

    Then with a literal baseball bat:

    http://defendingcontending.com/2010/11/29/a-radical-approach-to-december-25th-why-we-wont-be-celebrating-christmas-this-year/#comment-25346

    Then you come back to butter up Pilgrim with smooth words and flattering speech and bear false witness against me while stating (it’s not like I can reach across the Internet) in regards to your previous veiled threats.

    http://defendingcontending.com/2010/11/29/a-radical-approach-to-december-25th-why-we-wont-be-celebrating-christmas-this-year/#comment-25456

    I have to say, thats more than a little offensive to me…

    Nevertheless, I am willing to forgive.

  84. “Like it or not, those who defend idolatry and paganism (“christ”-mass (sic) included) will, in the end, find a way to defend taking the mark of the beast (sic).”

    You might want to repent of bearing false witness with your statement: “He is literally claiming that all who celebrate Christmas are Satanic and irredeemable”

    In what way is my statement false? Those who accept the Mark of the Beast are making an irrevocable declaration of loyalty and worship of the Antichrist, and you are – by your own words you reprinted – saying that those who celebrate Christmas will accept and defend taking the Mark of the Beast; ergo, you are saying, by implication, that those who celebrate Christmas are irrevocably loyal to the spirit of the Antichrist. If I am wrong, explain where I am wrong.

    As for threatening, I did not do any such thing. I said that if anyone said those things in person, I would respond violently; that is not the same as saying that I am going to do it to you. If I actually knew who you were or it were possible to reach across the Internet, I could see how it could be seen as a threat; neither of these is true, so there is no threat. I even explained why the offense, and you took it as a badge of honor and went even further in your offensive – possibly even blasphemous – accusations against not only me but all who are Christians who do not have the same conviction as you. Do you also feel this way about Pilgrim because he made a point of not condemning those who did not have his conviction?

    I do not flatter, nor do I butter up; I’m really bad at it. Everything I have said to Pilgrim, in deed everyone, is posted. If I am in error in anything I have said, show me where I am in error, because the one example you gave of “false witness” verified my witness to be true.

    If you want to contrast this with how I respond when I am in the wrong, that is coming on a different thread to a different person. I only mention it to squelch any thought that I am always right on everything.

    The sad irony here is that I don’t even like Christmas. It’s too sappy-sweet, too much of an artificially induced “happiness”, and the grand illusion that all is good in the world. The only Christmas carol I like is . But many of my brethren, as well as my wife and children, enjoy it, and I do not begrudge them for it.

  85. 072591,

    My statement from the other thread is easy to understand.

    “Like it or not, those who defend idolatry and paganism (“christ”-mass included) will, in the end, find a way to defend taking the mark of the beast.”

    If you like, I’ll take out the offending words to make it clearer.

    “Like it or not, those who defend idolatry and paganism (*) will, in the end, find a way to defend taking the mark of the beast.”

    Better?

    You said,

    “Then I read in another thread that he explicitly said that those who celebrate Christmas will take the Mark of the Beast. He is literally claiming that all who celebrate Christmas are Satanic and irredeemable”

    No, I explicitly said,

    “Like it or not, those who defend idolatry and paganism (*) will, in the end, find a way to defend taking the mark of the beast.”

    I’ll also be kind enough to explain each part of the sentence to clarify everything.

    “Like it or not” – This means whether we like the outcome of the choice or not.

    “those who defend idolatry and paganism” – This would be like the prophets of Baal in Elijah’s day, Korah and those who withstood Moses or even Jezebels husband Ahab.

    “will, in the end” – This means midnight. When the virgins wake up to find the Lord is coming and it’s too late to make further preperations for His arrival.

    “find a way to defend” – This means when they realize they’re eternal toast, they’ll be thinking about what to do with the last 3 1/2 years of their life on earth.

    “taking the mark of the beast” – Actually I was wrong on the first word. The correct term is “receive”. And we all know what the mark of the beast is. The ultimate rejection of God in favor of mammon.

    Below are some good candidates. Both U.S. companies too.

    http://www.xmark.com/ – These guys really have no qualms about including “mark” in their company name. These are the guys that invented the VeriChip.

    http://www.somarkinnovations.com/ – These guys invented an RFID tatoo that uses both visible and invisible ink. I’m sure they will give their church infiltrators the invisible ink so we won’t be able to spot them. These guys really have no qualms about including “mark” in their company name either.

    As far as the perceived threats, all is forgiven even though a brother should say, “I repent” first. And unfortuantely for me, I would have said the same thing in person that I said here. And I would have stood there and let you pummel me into oblivion if thats what you chose to do. Keep in mind, I am well able to physically defend myself but I would leave it in Gods hands.

    As a side note, remember that Jesus could have called 72,000 angels to his defense at His arrest. But then we would ALL be going to hell.

    As far as being right, it doesn’t matter what I think. It matters what the Word of God states.

    Because if we want to do the will of God:

    2 Corinthians 13:8 For we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth.

    1 Corinthians 4:6 Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that you may learn in us not to think beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up on behalf of one against the other.

    Romans 3:4 Certainly not! Indeed, let God be true but every man a liar. As it is written: “That You may be justified in Your words, And may overcome when You are judged.”

    As far as your last sentence, I LOVED “christ”-mass when I celebrated. The tree, the food, the presents, watching Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer. ALL of it.

    But after knowing the pagan origins and the idolatry of it all.. Just can’t do it no matter how loud my flesh screams for it. 2004 was it for me.

    I still like egg nog though.

  86. Take a gander at this article on SermonAudio. It shows the attempts of doctors trying to place bar-codes on embryos (I kid you not). We won’t have to receive it, because it will be already done while we are in the womb.

    http://www.sermonaudio.com/new_details.asp?ID=30689

  87. I read something about that last week.

    http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/12/13/tag-human-embryos-bar-codes/

    Creepy stuff.

  88. Soon our babies will be bar coded and categorized in some registry and we will have no say whatsoever. In many countries right now, parents have had the children taken away for refusing to subject their children to vaccines. The authorities take the child, give them the mystery mix of garbage and then give him back after the deed is done. Soon, we will nothing more than breeders in stalls giving our children to the government to carry on their wishes.

  89. Yes. And meanwhile, we’ll be here fighting for our right to celebrate this pagan day or something else that has yet to be discovered to fight for while the fields white unto the harvest turn brown…

    There is something SERIOUSLY wrong with that picture. And something I personally don’t want to have to explain to God when I stand before Him.

  90. Again, Unprofitable Servant you have hit it, standing and giving account before God.
    If they are right and it is ok to celebrate paganism in any way shape or form, then
    I am safe, BUT, if I am right, well…….

  91. We have talked alot about the past and present of this “holi”day but nothing about the future of it.

    Does anyone here believe that we will be celebrating the mass during the thousand year riegn of Christ on earth?

    Zechariah 14 gives us some detail about it.

  92. “Does anyone here believe that we will be celebrating the mass during the thousand year riegn of Christ on earth?”

    For those of us who are Amillennial, we are doing it now!

  93. Manfred,

    Last time I checked, the mount of Olives is still intact. :)

  94. UP – I doubt this is the place to get into a detailed eschatological debate. Judgment Day hasn’t arrived yet either :-)

  95. Manfred,

    Agreed, on both points. :)

  96. This will be my 3rd year of not celebrating this holiday.
    This is how I look at it. Jesus told us that we are in the world but we are not to be of the world. We cannot have one foot in the world and one foot in the kingdom of
    God. This is clearly a holiday of the world. God Bless All.

    A follower of Christ.

  97. Some breaking news:

    Archbishop calls Santa Claus a ‘fat, red man’

    http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/archbishop-calls-santa-claus-a-fat-red-man-72720?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ndtv%2FTqgX+%28NDTV+News+-+World%29

    Wealth gap turns into a chasm at Christmas

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40593905/ns/business-holiday_retail

    May inject a bit of “legalism” in reference to the second story?

    Galatians 2:10 They desired only that we should remember the poor, the very thing which I also was eager to do.

  98. Has anyone ever watched this. Let me know what your thoughts are on it. It was quiet interesting.
    http://www.bethlehemstar.net/

  99. While my wife and I haven’t celebrated Christmas in a few years, and realize it’s pagan beginnings, there are points which still should be made (if not already done). Just as most people don’t look upon the names of the days of the week as celebrations of false gods, most people (in their ignorance of the origins of Christmas) don’t see it as a day to appeal to any sun gods. Neither do they sit around and worship a tree. I think the usual citing of Jeremiah 10 is out of context, because I think those verses are more an indictment of the fashioning of false idols rather than anything else. For that matter, I think one would be hard pressed to find evidence that anyone in Jeremiah’s day (Jewish or Gentile) was cutting down trees and dragging them into their homes. Idol worship with wooden images, however, was a rampant practice.

    Again, I’m not denying the pagan origins. The symbols of Christmas and “Easter” are those of fertility and “rebirth”. However, there are many ignorant believers who associate it only with the birth of Christ (regardless of it not being the date). It’s true that while many feel sentimental during this time of year, it should be easy enough to eliminate “Santa”, lights, and gift exchanges (even by those only feeding on milk), but there is truth to the notion that even a nonbelieving world looks on Christmas vehemently, not because of the pagan origins, but rather because it has been associated with the Lord Jesus. For this reason, they engage in constant assaults on His name. Some may disagree, but it can be a time for evangelizing. It can certainly be a time of good works by the church. While a point was made that not much else is done by the church during the other 11 months, I think that’s an exaggerated statement. More could certainly be done during the rest of the year, but first of all, benevolence is practiced year round. Secondly, any lack of charity during the rest of the year is less of an indictment on “Christmas”, and more so on the weaknesses of the church in general.

    In the end, I’m much more convicted now than I was a few short years ago. Our children know that there is no Santa, etc. They also know the pagan origins, and that the Lord didn’t come incarnate on 12/25. We have no evidence of “Christmas” in our homes. We know, however, those who have trees in their homes with crosses, mangers, and themes not associated with the secular. In a fallen world, every day is an opportunity to witness and to love.

  100. I have read most of what has been posted and I would encourage you to watch the DVD called, “The Star of Bethlehem.” I have not studied like this guy has, but he has done his homework on this from what I can see. He says that Jesus was not born on Dec. 25th (I think everyone knows this already) but that the Magi brought their gifts to Jesus on Dec. 25th and he has studied and uses Scripture to back it up. It’s very good. I know there is a lot of history behind Dec 25th but I also know we serve a greater God who knows the beginning to the end.
    http://www.bethlehemstar.net/

  101. Hi Pilgrim,
    I’m relatively new to this site but I have enjoyed the site so far. I respect your decision to not celebrate Christmas. If that is your conviction then I pray that God blesses your obedience.
    I do have a question, if you can help me with. I understand the background of Christmas and your arguments presented here. I personally do not share the same conviction with you, and that is ok.

    I personally do not get caught up with the consumerism of Christmas, but I love the fact that I can rejoice that a Savior was born. I do not have a Christmas tree, I have one string of lights up and that is all. We have been studying Luke for our daily family devotional. I love Christmas carols, our local Christian radio station, THE JOY FM, plays carols through December. I loathe Santa Claus!

    Here is my question and please do not take offense at it. Where do you draw the line with such a stringent criteria for participating.
    I am not advocating that you celebrate Christmas, but if your criteria is that it was based on pagan beliefs in 400-500AD when Constantine Christianized Rome, where do you draw the line in day to day activities?
    I see that you mentioned Easter, vaccinations, public schools, etc. in your post. Since I’m new I’m not aware of those previous mentioned beliefs. I am assuming that you oppose those also? I believe that we are in the world not of it. However we cannot withdraw from the world completely otherwise we can not be a witness. I am not saying to be wordly (to be friends with the world is to be enemies with God). Where do you draw the line where you withdraw without being isolated?

    The good news is that in a few more years there will be no more Christ in the “Holidays” (the new PC wording) because the world hates CHRISTmas too! There are more and more stories every year where traditional Christmas identifiers are being removed so that no one has to think of Jesus at all. The world thinks Christmas is a “Christian” holiday and want to remove that aspect of it. That leads me to one more question that the very first commenter mentioned. That those who oppose Christmas oppose Christ. How do you even begin to explain to other Christians that you are against Christmas but not for the same reasons the world is? Lastly, does that have any correlation?
    Thanks,
    Noname-Bob

  102. While I agree that “The Pilgrim” has the right to decide not to celebrate Christmas, I do not agree with some of the reasoning. Paganism is a problem, but not truly problematic unless we are truly worshipping the pagan gods. For example, there is not problem in referring to the days of the week (all named after pagan gods), as long as we are not truly involved in worshipping the gods the days are named after. So just like true Christians can worship the true God Monday through Sunday, so also Christians can celebrate the birth of the Savior on Dec. 25 while ignoring any paganism or commercialism or any of the other vices associated with the holiday.

    When the early church fathers decided to take over the pagan holiday and celebrate the birth of the Creator of the universe on the day a pagan deity’s day was celebrated, there was nothing wrong with that idea. In fact, it worked to some extent, since today hardly anyone actually celebrates the birth of any pagan god today as people used to do. So I really think people need to stop being overly concerned about things like this. We don’t see people fussing about the days of the week and renaming them out of conscience toward God. Why? Because it’s reallly not an issue, as long as the heart is right with God. And so, I say as long as our hearts are right with God, we can indeed celebrate Christmas – the birth of Christ.

  103. Hi Guys,
    I have a question for Pilgrim or those who are not celebrating Christmas. I have been listening to Hank Hanegraaff lately and one of the topics he brought up was this same topic! He has a short Q&A and I have included a link. He goes over this subject of the pagan origin and the scripture in Jer. within the first 9 minutes.

    here is the link if you guys check it out http://www.oneplace.com/ministries/bible-answer-man/player/questions-answers-with-elliot-miller-151964.html

    He seems to have a differing opinion and since he is someone who I respect I am just curious of your responses. I am not asking you to change your conviction at all. I am not trying to stir anything up, the truth is I have never met a christian who did not celebrate Christmas and I am examining my own convictions. Within that context, I would love to hear your responses.

    I appreciate this topic and have been challenged by it. I humbly look forward to meditating on the subject myself. If you would like you can contact me by email if you choose that medium.
    Thanks guys

  104. Midnight Oil
    Words and music by Bob Hartman
    Based on Matthew 25:1-13

    We wait since the day He ascended
    He said He would come again
    Some think it will be such a long time
    Some they the know just when
    We live like there’s no tomorrow
    We wait with our lamps of oil
    We watch for the midnight hour
    The day we cease our toil
    When the trumpet sounds and the bridegroom comes

    (Chorus)
    The wedding’s gonna be so royal
    So we gotta keep staying loyal
    ‘Cause our feet are gonna leave this soil
    When we burn the midnight oil
    When we burn the midnight oil

    Some wait from the top of the mountain
    Away from the world below
    Some work while there’s still a harvest
    No rest when there’s seed to sow
    We go out to wait for the bridegroom
    Some bring oil of readiness
    Some lamps will be burned out waiting
    Left out in their emptiness
    Will our lamps be full at parousia?

    When the bridegroom comes we will hear the call

  105. Dear NONAMEBOB: (from your 12/20 comment)

    You asked:

    “Where do you draw the line with such a stringent criteria for participating[?]“

    and

    “Where do you draw the line where you withdraw without being isolated?”

    Thanks for the questions. I think that you can see from this post exactly where I’ve drawn the line on this issue.

    I am surprised how refraining from celebrating this holiday has drawn so many queries. After all, I’ve just decided not to celebrate a holiday; it’s not like I’ve decided to stop reading the Bible or stop going to church. I think a better question would be: Why does choosing to not celebrate a holiday create such a storm of controversy? Would there be as much debate if I chose to stop eating eggs?
    :o)

    I think the controversy speaks volumes as to the intense affection, devotion, and rabid adherence to this holiday. And for not being an event we’re expected to celebrate (by teaching or example in Scripture) should cause some to ask themselves: Why DO we celebrate and why ARE we so surprised when someone chooses not to?

    As for being isolated, I can assure you that I’m not . . . at least not physically. I don’t live alone in the mountains, but I will concede that I’m becoming increasingly isolated in my Christian walk. The more I strive to follow after God, and the more I strive to conform to His standards, and the more I strive for holiness, the more I find myself making decisions that leave me further down a lonely road which most other believers are not willing to tread. Some may call it extreme or radical, I choose to call it devotion to the One who called me, and anything less would be disobedience.

    I am not purposely trying to separate myself from other believers, but I am not content with playing churchianity as usual and unfortunately, most churchgoers are. So as strange as it may seem to most, I will continue (Lord willing) to follow that path God has placed my feet upon as it gets narrower and narrower, and lonelier and lonelier. But in the end (and by the grace of God), I hope it can be said of me that I led a life committed to following after the Savior, and not a life of trying to assimilate with the world and its ways.

    Next, you asked:

    “How do you even begin to explain to other Christians that you are against Christmas but not for the same reasons the world is?”

    When the subject comes up I just explain it to them. It’s just that simple. And the subject has/will come up. After all, since EVERYBODY celebrates the holiday, if I did the same, then I’d just blend in with everyone around me. But when they see that difference (even in such a trivial matter as refraining from the celebration of a holiday) they are compelled to ask why. And this opens up a great opportunity.

    ———————————————————-

    Dear ARTHUR:
    If you noticed, the paganism/Romanism issues surrounding the holiday were a much smaller portion of the reasons provided in this post of why I’m not celebrating. I know you may have missed that because the paganism/Romanism issues have been the predominating theme throughout the comments, but if you return to the original post you’ll see that–although still a concern–the majority of what I wrote was not in relation to the holiday’s origins.

    However, I will address your concern about it in regards to the renaming the days of the week because they’re pagan. This has already been addressed in the post, so I’ll just quote myself:

    “Now I’m not unrealistic. I understand that we cannot escape the presence of false religion in our daily lives; even the planets in our solar system and days of the week are named after pagan gods. As long as we live in a fallen world there will be pagan influences all around us. It’s when we intentionally infuse false religions with Christianity and attempt to call it “good” that a problem arises. We’re no longer living in the world while not being a part of it, we’re now mixing light and dark; a practice strictly forbidden by Scripture.”

    The bigger concern/question should be: Why for a day that we’re not instructed (or given example) in Scripture to commemorate (and of which so many stalwarts of the Faith throughout the centuries refused to partake in), do Christians nowadays debate and wrangle over so much?

    What changed? Are we as a people better versed in Scripture than those of long ago? Do we have more liberty now than those who’ve gone before us?

    Why do we put so much energy and effort into defending this holiday? To me these seem to be questions that need to be probed.

    Our reasons/excuses to keep celebrating it are all pretty thin in my opinion (especially in light of the Bible’s warnings to the rich and the admonitions to care for the poor).

    These, Arthur, are what I believe to be bigger mysteries and more perplexing enigmas to understand than why some today refuse to celebrate it.

    ———————————————————-

    Dear NONAMEBOB: (from your 12/21) comment:

    “I am not trying to stir anything up, the truth is I have never met a christian who did not celebrate Christmas and I am examining my own convictions.”

    I am so glad to hear you’re examining your own convictions. That was the hope of the original post: Not to condemn or judge, not to set myself on a higher plateau, and not to beat anyone into ceasing the holiday celebrations. I simply wanted to plant seeds (as happened to me last year) in the hopes that some will come to be convicted as well about this issue and eventually be liberated from the holiday.

    And finally, you’ve probably “never met a Christian who did not celebrate Christmas” because most of them are dead:
    - The Apostles
    - The early Church fathers
    - The Puritans
    - C.H. Spurgeon
    - Jim Elliot
    - etc.

    Thanks for your comments Arthur and nonameBob. I hope I’ve helped you guys in answering your questions.

    Sincerely,
    - Pilgrim

  106. Pilgrim:

    Your logic and reasoning on this issue has been flawless. And your question: “Why do we put so much energy and effort into defending this holiday? To me these seem to be questions that need to be probed.” hits at the heart of the issue.

    Side note: I find it ironic that the more I feel alone in my walk following Christ, the more people I find that also feel increasingly alone. :)

  107. Wow! Thanks for sharing your heart (and all those who commented too). This is our first year to not celebrate christmas. I had for many years felt it was wrong and not of the LORD. But I participated and tried to make peace with it because of my husband. But last year I did a huge study on it and gave the study to my husband and prayed very hard that his eyes would be opened. Praise GOD HE opened my hubbys eyes and we agreed that we would not celebrate this anymore. When we talked to our kids about it, our eldest daugther 15 did a big Bible study on it (further than I had even gone). What blew us away is how accepting our kids have been!!

    For all of you that have felt alone in your walk with the LORD: hang in there!! I have been there too, massively alone at times. But the LORD has provided me with a little bit of fellowship and HE’s been growing me up a lot and I dont’ have this massive “need” anymore for tons of friends and such. The days seem to be flying by and I need to spend more time with YESHUA and my family.
    GOD be with you and bless you,
    Peace,
    Deirdre

  108. Your latest comment Pilgrim was a great comfort to me as well. I, like you wrote, and DavidW affirmed, feel increasingly alone in my walk too. This, for the very same reasons as you articulated in your article. Any attempt at purging out the leaven and traditions of men not found in the Scriptures is decried as legalism; any attempt to be holy as the Lord is holy, one is accused of believing in works righteousness and the belief that we are to come out of the world as we are commanded is mocked as being foolish and cultic. It really is quite amazing to me and grieves me greatly. Thus, it has been a blessing to me to read of your struggles and those of others articulated on this site to know that many wrestle with these very same issues.

  109. Any attempt at purging out the leaven and traditions of men not found in the Scriptures is decried as legalism; any attempt to be holy as the Lord is holy, one is accused of believing in works righteousness and the belief that we are to come out of the world as we are commanded is mocked as being foolish and cultic. It really is quite amazing to me and grieves me greatly. Thus, it has been a blessing to me to read of your struggles and those of others articulated on this site to know that many wrestle with these very same issues.

    Well said, brother Michael!

    Since I’ve been pretty vocal about the dangers of legalism I’d like to make something crystal clear to all who may come across these posts and exchanges. It’s not legalism to obey one’s own conscience in the light of Scripture, that’s commendable, and to do otherwise is sin. Legalism creeps in when one would yoke others with their own personal convictions that are not explicit in Scripture, by going beyond what is written and measuring others by said personal standards. Legalism is spiritually deadly and sinful, personal obedience to the Lord in the light of conscience and Scripture is good and helpful.

    I encourage everyone to obey their conscience in the light of Scripture, and to eschew things doubtful in their personal walks with the Lord. As Spurgeon well said, [and I'm paraphrasing] “It’s better to be sneered at as a Puritan than to be mocked as a hypocrite.”

    With this in mind I heartily encourage all those who observe Christmas today to do so as unto the Lord, and I would encourage all those who don’t observe Christmas today to do so as unto the Lord!

    Thanks again to The Pilgrim for posting his personal journey, may it be an encouragement to those who are likeminded, and may it help those who are not likeminded to better understand, and remain sensitive to, our brethren’s convictions.

    In Christ,
    CD

  110. CD said:

    As Spurgeon well said, [and I'm paraphrasing] “It’s better to be sneered at as a Puritan than to be mocked as a hypocrite.”

    I like that quote. Gave me a mild internal chuckle.

    DavidW, Deirdre, and Brother Michael:
    Thanks for your continued encouragement in this sometimes difficult matter.

    And for those interested, my final post (at least for this year) on the subject of Christmas is up and can be found here.

    - Pilgrim

  111. I like that quote. Gave me a mild internal chuckle.

    I thought it might, PURITAN!

    In Him,
    Hypocrite

    :O)

  112. Thanks CD -

  113. I am in complete agreement with Pilgrim and I applaud his decision to stop celebrating this hugest of all deceptions called Christmas. It took me a very long time to turn from it. In fact, over 20 years.
    But the fact that I want to be obedient to God and serve Him to the best of my abilities has helped me see the season for what it really is. A cleverly disguised pagan celebration that we have been
    completely brain- washed into following, and never questioning . I haven’t read all the posts yet but I am anxious to see how you all feel about the subject. Just let me add that I used to wonder how it would be possible that all but a fourth of the people ever born would make it to Heaven and the other three quarters would be deceived, but I no longer wonder how that is possible. I think this one celebration may be the biggest part of it. I just recently mentioned this subject to my long time friend, and there was complete shock, to even suggest that it is wrong, for so many reasons was
    just unconscionable. Think about it, how hard is it to face up to the possibility that we have been
    crucifying Jesus all over again every time we say those two words, which are now politically incorrect to say, so they say ”Happy Holidays”.

  114. Hi Pilgrim, just wanted to say thank you for the article. I read it last year and it has had an impact on where we are today in my family. I think you might appreciate Jim McClarty’s message on the topic if you haven’t listened to it before. You can find it here in my post today: http://airocross.com/2011/11/28/christmas-traditions-and-christians/

    What have you learned over this past year, especially as we enter December? Have you taken a “zero tolerance” approach, or do you still spend time with family during this time, etc.? Any lessons learned, and do you intend to do things differently than last year? Thank you for sharing your heart, and know that you are not alone in this journey. SDG!

  115. Thank you for that link Justin. You have stated well my thoughts exactly! Also, the Jim McClarty link you left in your post about the Christmas traditions/History…fantastic!

  116. I enjoyed your post Pilgrim and agree wholeheartedly! This will be our 3rd year of not celebrating Christmas. I have seen these same reactions to my decision: “Any attempt at purging out the leaven and traditions of men not found in the Scriptures is decried as legalism; any attempt to be holy as the Lord is holy, one is accused of believing in works righteousness and the belief that we are to come out of the world as we are commanded is mocked as being foolish and cultic.”

    and…

    “I am surprised how refraining from celebrating this holiday has drawn so many queries. After all, I’ve just decided not to celebrate a holiday; it’s not like I’ve decided to stop reading the Bible or stop going to church. I think a better question would be: Why does choosing to not celebrate a holiday create such a storm of controversy? Would there be as much debate if I chose to stop eating eggs?”

    When I first gave up Christmas, I had no idea how much emotion that decision would bring up. Sadly, some people have been so offended by my decision, that relationships have suffered.

  117. Interesting post. I’m not offended and think you have admirable aspirations for your family. We, however, do celebrate Christmas. Not Santa, but Christmas. We are former foreign missionaries (Baptist). Both my children are in full-time ministry. One child is “actively” caring for the poor by adopting 2 orphans from Africa. I think we did fine, even though we celebrated Christmas.

  118. It is irrelevant whether (by our own limited knowledge and judgement) we have done fine or not. Obedience is better than sacrifice surely. Come out of the world and be ye seperate, says the Lord.

  119. Dear Justin Edwards,

    You asked:

    What have you learned over this past year, especially as we enter December? Have you taken a “zero tolerance” approach, or do you still spend time with family during this time, etc.? Any lessons learned, and do you intend to do things differently than last year?

    Thanks for asking, and thanks for the link to this post from your blog.

    What I learned is that Christmas is a very controversial topic for those who choose to abstain. If you don’t celebrate it like everyone else, you’re looked upon as some sort of freak. But once the season is over everyone views you as normal again . . . that is until next Christmas.

    Our approach is zero tolerance for our family in the sense that we treated it and plan to continue to treat it as just another day on the calendar (just like the apostles/disciples did, just like the early church fathers did, just like many of the Reformers did, just like the Puritans did, etc.).

    I found last year to be so stress free that it was exhilarating. It was so nice not to be under the yearly stress with the fake smile plastered on my face as I rack up credit card bills that will take me till next Christmas to pay off (and doing all of it in the name of celebrating Christ’s birth, of course).

    If others choose to celebrate the day, that is fine, we do not condemn them for it. We just decided that the whole idea of Christmas (its paganism, its Romanism, its selfish consumerism, all of which are antithetical to the teachings of the very One we’re supposedly celebrating) were not for us any longer. This year we will actually be spending the day after church with some friends of ours who also don’t celebrate Christmas.

    I hope I have answered your questions adequately. If you have any other questions, please feel free to ask.

  120. Actually Pilgrim, here is the real reason why Christmas is secular. Apparently, it is the fault of “Christians” who do not say “Merry Christmas” and do not buy just stamps with “the Madonna and child” on them.

    So says a woman, who is the director of Priests for Life, on a Foxnews Opinion piece. This drivel can be found at this location.

    Now, having posted that link, I can’t help but wonder how many who claim the name of Christ will actually believe what this woman has to say!

  121. Wow, a lot has been said here. I agree with much of it. My parents decided to stop celebrating Christmas when I was only 1 so I have no memories of celebrating it. I believe that has made it a lot easier for me (which may be an encouragement to you who have young children and don’t celebrate :) ). I hold to this belief, however, I also believe in the importance of compassion for my brethren in Christ as well as the lost. I do not apologize for the stand that I take on this matter, however, I don’t want to offend anyone by making them feel that I am forcing it on them. I was and am privileged to have parents and a pastor and pastor’s wife who encourage everyone to seek God’s will and are not afraid to take up a standard that others find weird. I know that there were many times that I spouted what I realize now was utter nonsense, but they did not take me to task or insist on enlightening me right there. They smiled and continued to instruct me better in lessons, devotions, and sermons. I have grown so much because of their patience and understanding. I am not afraid to tell people why I do not celebrate Christmas, but I don’t believe it is my job to tell everyone. God has placed people in everyone’s lives to lead them spiritually and when they are ready to deal with this specific issue, God is quite capable of teaching and convicting them. I guess I started this just to say that I believe that Christmas is wrong and I do not celebrate it in any way, but I hate to see Christians make it a point of contention.
    “But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.” Titus 3:9
    If we allow ourselves to be divided by every difference of standard, we are cutting off the encouragement of other saints and giving the Devil a greater opportunity to trip us up. That doesn’t mean that I will be hanging out with Christians on Christmas Day while they celebrate! :) But I will allow them the freedom to make their choice, whether or not I agree with it.
    I appreciate hearing of so many others who hold the same standard on this issue. It is encouraging. :)

  122. http://www.spurgeongems.org/vols40-42/chs2392.pdf
    This is a link to a Christmas sermon from Charles Spurgeon.

  123. Re: http://www.spurgeongems.org/vols40-42/chs2392.pdf Charles Spurgeon said: “Do not feast as if you wished to keep the festival of Bacchus! Do not live, tomorrow, as if you adored some heathen divinity. Feast, Christians, feast! You have a right to feast. Go to the house of feasting tomorrow!”

    Is that really the stance that God takes regarding man-made feasts?

    Isaiah 1:14 “Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hates; they have become a burden to me; I am weary of bearing them.”

    Amos 5:21
    21 “I hate, I despise your feasts, and I take no delight in your solemn assemblies.

    Does God condone mixing worship of Him with pagan practices that honor false deities. Not according to scripture. Can it be pleasing to the Lord when we celebrate his birth with lies, counterfeits, idolatry and the commercialism that brings out the covetousness in us? Can these things be regarded as “right and true” and pleasing to the Lord? Aren’t they the works of Satan and shouldn’t we be exposing them, rather than taking part in them?

    “Walk as children of light (for the fruit of light is found in all that is good and right and true), and try to discern what is pleasing to the Lord. Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.” Eph. 5:8-10

  124. Janis – I do not employ the name of our Lord in conjunction with pagan celebrations, but I do recognize that our Lord commanded the people of Israel to bring the whole tithe to Him in a specified field and consume it before Him as an act of praise – Deut 14:23, for example.

  125. I have to admit to what I think might a sin on my part; I had read this post, and while I agree that Christmas can result in certain unBiblical attitudes, such as promoting materialism, I did not believe that it was wrong to gather together perhaps as a family and celebrate in our own way (though my family does like to give presents, and the like), and while I really feel that you do not sin if you choose to not celebrate Christmas, I also felt that perhaps a burden is being put on people when they are told to not do anything to recognize the day. Christmas is not Biblical, but I believe that there is nothing wrong with coming together to celebrate the arrival of God’s savior (a celebration that should not be limited to one day of the year), and we need not celebrate it as the heathens do. However, it would have better for me to not have posted this sermon because I think it is just needlessly bringing division to the body of Christ; I had a slight conviction that it might do so; why bring it up when the majority of readers here do not want to celebrate Christmas? But it occurred to me that others come here to read, and like myself, trust the writers of this blog to be Biblical (and there is nothing unbiblical about abstaining from Christmas, I just felt that, as I said, there might be a burden being placed on other’s convictions when perhaps there ought not to be). In anycase, I do not think Spurgeon is saying anything wrong; we eat on any other day, we celebrate His coming on other days than Christmas, why can’t we be happy about Christ’s coming on Christmas day? :/ However, I think it would be best if perhaps you erased that post, and if you do, please erase this one, and I am sorry.

  126. I’m not sure where my post went, but I think perhaps my former post with the sermon link should be deleted, I’m sorry.

    I repent of needlessly bringing division to the body of Christ. Please forgive me.

  127. Goldfish:

    I certainly forgive you. No hard feelings.
    I’ll go ahead and leave up the link because there’s no problem with hearing from both sides on the issue.

  128. There is nothing as important in life than serving the Father, through Christ Jesus. We are not a part of the world we see around us. At least WE SHOULD NOT be a part of it.

    We may not agree with what the ungodly do, but don’t allow this to steal your precious time. Keep working on the inner man, to strengthen your soul and faith in God before the real trouble will flood this earth.
    Allow God to do His thing about people who commit abortion, sexual deviation, using special days as an excuse to “party”; such as Christmas and Easter. One should NOT be bothered by this, unless God directs you to minister unto such .

    Followers of God are FREE, not to sin of course or to do anything which displeases the Father. You may eat all kinds of meat or don’t eat meat at all. You may have feasts or keep life simple. You MAY celebrate Christ’s birth, His death, His resurrection and His return, any day of the year or every day… or take a week to celebrate the KING of kings.
    Each one is free to do, to go, to eat as long as it is done for God’s glory.
    Just move the pagans out of the way, since we have nothing to do with such.

    Many days of the year are filled with occult activities such as prayers, fasting, meditation etc. Does this mean that we as Christians should not pray, meditate and fast on the same days?
    It is the occult , satan, who copies from what God’s word teaches His followers.

    We are FREE indeed.
    Thank You, Lord!

    Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. Col. 2:16,17.

    The following writing is self-explaining and may be helpful to the reader:
    http://achristiancounselor.com/christms.html Celebrating Christmas or not!

  129. One does not need to grab the credit card, and go into debt to celebrate the Birth of our Saviour. This way teaching there own children to outdo their friends/neighbors with all the “gifts” they received. That in itself shows worldliness and is sin to start with. We never did celebrate as the world does, who uses an excuse to party.
    Because others, believers and unbelievers, handle this festivity totally wrong, should the sincere follower of Christ who is so glad that Jesus came into this world in human flesh, stop proclaiming and celebrating Christ’s Birth? NOT ME and my family, I tell you this.
    We celebrate in a “holy” way, glorifying the Father. And this is what Christmas is ALL about.
    Too many Christians have been transformed to follow the world, while it should be the other way around.
    All said and done, we are FREE to celebrate and FREE not to celebrate. The choice is ours.

  130. Wendy Parker Sorry but when “untruths” are used to prove a truth it opens doors to false doctrine.
    Okay I was almost going to share this except when I got to the part where it says “The Bible permits us to eat food sacrificed to idols (1 Corinthians 8:1-13)” This person has mis understood this passage as Paul clearly tells us…
    “That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.”

    As for the gentiles who have become believers, we have sent a letter with our decision that they should keep away from food that has been sacrificed to idols, from blood, from anything strangled, and from sexual immorality.”

  131. The mature Christian knows that idols have no power. 1 Cor 8
    1 Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.
    2 And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.
    3 But if any man love God, the same is known of him.
    4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.
    5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
    6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
    Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.
    8 But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.
    9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.
    **********************
    The above scriptures showing the FREEDOM we have received in Christ, but may not mean to TAKE all of this freedom if we in anyway offend our weak brothers or sisters, when they are in our presence. Nevertheless, we can take this FREEDOM TO DO ALL THAT WHICH GLORIFIES GOD, CELEBRATING ANY and ALL THAT GOD HAS DONE FOR US AND ALL HE MEANS TO US, which also includes that the Father sent His Only begotten Son (not as the worlds celebrates).
    ****************************
    Acts 15: ….. (concerning eating sacrificed meat) this was far before God gave the revelation to Peter in the vision.

    27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.
    28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
    29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
    30 So when they (Judas and Silas) were dismissed, they came to Antioch: and when they had gathered the multitude together, they delivered the epistle: ……..

  132. “Minister Dr. Trudy Veerman”
    Trudy – you have shared some very good things in this thread. can I just ask why you use such self exalting religous titles in your name that are clearly forbidden by Christ?

    God bless you in Him.

    - Jim

    From youngs literal:
    Mat 23:6 they love also the chief couches in the supper, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
    Mat 23:7 and the salutations in the market-places, and to be called by men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
    Mat 23:8 `And ye–ye may not be called Rabbi, for one is your director–the Christ, and all ye are brethren;
    Mat 23:9 and ye may not call any your father on the earth, for one is your Father, who is in the heavens,
    Mat 23:10 nor may ye be called directors, for one is your director–the Christ.
    Mat 23:11 And the greater of you shall be your ministrant,
    Mat 23:12 and whoever shall exalt himself shall be humbled, and whoever shall humble himself shall be exalted.

  133. Sir fleebabylon,
    Self exalting?? Are you trying to find fault about something unrelated to the subject matter?.. First mentioning some “sweet words” about the good things I shared… next you throw the words of Christ at me which He spoke/warned about the Scribes and the Pharisees? Shame on you Jim… Does this present Brotherly love. Would Christ have spoken to me like you did and then giving me the words He spoke about the Pharisees? For sure NOT.
    I would’ve never expected anything like this coming from this group…. Kind of unrelated accusation. I guess, I am a woman who should not have titles… I am wondering if you would react like this, if I would have been a man….??!!

    Anyway, let me explain (although I don’t need to give you an answer). In general, I automatically include these titles since I deal most of my time and life with clients who need to know that I can be trusted, not being a JoeBlow, but a professional spiritual “helper”. Secondly, the titles are earned through many years of study, so what is wrong? I can add some more titles to my name if I want to.
    Do you treat your pastor with… Hey Bill come here! Does he not use his title Pastor, Minister, Chaplin …? (as long as it is NOT Father)
    Let me give you a suggestion. Please, view all my links below and you may learn of the call of God upon my life. Next, return to this place and let us know your findings. OK, fleebabylon?
    Thank you.

    Webmaster/Published Author
    http://achristiancounselor.com/intro.html Counselor’s Introduction
    http://soothingpoeticpages.com Dr. Trudy’s Soothing Pages
    http://trudyveerman.blogspot.com Dr. Trudy’s Blog, Turbulent Times
    http://www.ourchurch.com/member/g/God-Truth/ God’s Truth
    http://www.facebook.com/dr.trudyveerman Facebook Site

    This life is but a classroom, God’s Word is your textbook, The Lord is your Teacher.
    Are you learning?

    I was just reading Craig’s post…
    I quote: “Advent is not about the worship of the babe in the manger, it is about the Glory of God.
    As it is written … with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God and saying,
    “Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace among those with whom he is pleased.”
    So each Advent season, whether commanded by scripture or not, I can say, “Glory to God in highest, He shall reign forever and ever. Amen”

    Exactly, Craig. Thank God for the manner in which you wrote this. Very beautiful and to the point.
    If you don’t mind I like to quote your words on my Facebook.
    God bless you.
    DocTrudy

  134. “Self exalting?? Are you trying to find fault about something unrelated to the subject matter?.. ”

    I was very sincere in my question because I truly do agree and appreciate most of what you have been sharing on this thread. I was wondering why then you need to use titles that Christ forbids.

    “Shame on you Jim… Does this present Brotherly love. Would Christ have spoken to me like you did and then giving me the words He spoke about the Pharisees? For sure NOT.”

    He actually spoke the words to HIS DISCIPLES and tells them NOT to do these things the the Pharisees do. So yes, Christ would have spoken to you like that since I simply quoted Him in context. There is no doubt about it.

    “I guess, I am a woman who should not have titles… I am wondering if you would react like this, if I would have been a man….??!!”

    Yes – especially if he seemed to be speaking much truth but using two titles in disobedience to Christ

    “Secondly, the titles are earned through many years of study, so what is wrong?”
    Christ forbids it.

    “I can add some more titles to my name if I want to.”

    You can disobey Christ as much as you want to?

    “Do you treat your pastor with… Hey Bill come here! Does he not use his title Pastor, Minister, Chaplin …? (as long as it is NOT Father)”

    I call the elders / pastors I know brother because we are all brethren. They are true elders and appreciate this. They would correct me if I called them with a self exalting religious title that Christ forbids.

    -Jim

  135. In church this Sunday past, the pastor had a list of things we should ask ourselves before we act
    on anything. I found it a great reward that the only three of 14 he had time to touch on were. (#1) Is it Biblical? (#2) Would Jesus do it? and (#3) Will it bring honor and glory to God?
    The pastor said if we answer ‘No’ to any of these questions, we should not do it. I have to say I say ‘No’ to all three; this gives me even more peace about my decision to completely abstain from celebrating December 25th. I hope and pray daily that others will see the celebration for what it
    was in the beginning; what it still is today; and realize that it is so spiritually harmful to continue celebrating it as the birth
    of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. I celebrate the fact that He was born to live and die for my sins in my heart and soul each
    and every day. God Bless all of you.

  136. You have to go a bit deeper to understand to what Christ was aiming at, fleebabylon.

    In Matthew 23 Jesus referred to the arrogant attitude of the Pharisees and WARNED His disciples not to be like those who call themselves Rabbi, Father, Teacher (undeserved titles) because the Pharisees were exalting themselves to a “title” they were NOT entitled to…..
    Verses 13 and 14…But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
    Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows’ houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

    I quote: “Secondly, the titles are earned through many years of study, so what is wrong?”
    (your reply) Christ forbids it.”
    Another misinterpretation on your part. Academic titles are not even mentioned by Christ, not even referred to either. WHAT CHRIST REFERRED TO ARE the use of the titles which belong to GOD, which is forbidden. Therefore I never will use Reverend before my name, since only God is Reverend. I am a minister of the Word of God.

    Paul explains the following: And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? ***** Workers of the Kingdom of God had the title of what their calling was, as Apostle Paul, Prophetess Anna etc.

    As workers of God’s Kingdom but NOT as pharisees, “titles” are mentioned and used here, not to show arrogance, but rather showing the position by which God calls each individual. As a servant of the Most High, one may freely add any earned studies, but NOT with an attitude as that of the Scribes and Pharisees and not using Rabbi or Father as some denominations call their leaders.
    The above is all the part which you did misinterpret and misunderstood.

    This is ALL I have to say. I do not want to be further sidetracked here by unrelated issues to the main “subject”.
    Doubtful that you visited the website links I supplied??
    Go in peace.
    DocTrudy

  137. Deborah said: “In church this Sunday past, the pastor had a list of things we should ask ourselves before we act on anything. I found it a great reward that the only three of 14 he had time to touch on were. (#1) Is it Biblical? (#2) Would Jesus do it? and (#3) Will it bring honor and glory to God? The pastor said if we answer ‘No’ to any of these questions, we should not do it. I have to say I say ‘No’ to all three; this gives me even more peace about my decision to completely abstain from celebrating December 25th.”

    Thank you for sharing that Deborah! I too, found that I had to say ‘No’ to those three questions, thus my decision to abstain from celebrating December 25th.

    Praise God that He sent his son to redeem us!

  138. Dear Friends in Christ,
    We all here acknowledge the coming of Christ, our Savior, in the flesh. Jesus, the Christ is the GREATEST GIFT we could have ever received from the Father. I believe that all of us here celebrate the fact of His coming. Praise God from whom ALL blessings flow.
    Without the cross the cradle has no meaning and without the cradle there would not be a cross.

    For me and my household will glorify the Lord, God Almighty.
    This past year has been very special to us, since I have been touched by the hand of God after I was diagnosed with 2 types of cancer at the beginning of 2011.
    The battle was on, but we rested on God’s word, what Isaiah wrote: “But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon Him; and with His stripes we ARE healed.
    When the Prophet penned this down, my name was included. Glory to God!
    Even the oncologists recognized this and told me that I did overcome a rare type of cancer. All throughout this year, I was not one day bedridden, never felt sick, and was able to continue with my daily chores and ministry for God. I have been declared FREE of cancer: the attack of satan in my body. ALL GLORY TO GOD. Let His name be glorified.

    Blessings of the Father be upon you all.
    In Christ,
    Dr. Trudy Veerman

  139. http://jim-staley.podomatic.com/entry/2010-10-03T07_05_00-07_00
    “[A video] detailing the historical accounts and biblical commentary on Christmas and Easter… where these holidays came from and how they came to be celebrated…If you have ever said, “That’s not what it means to me”, then you NEED to watch this message!”

  140. I don’t know what to make of all this, except (probably for the wrong reasons) I feel quite supportive of the idea of not “celebrating” Christmas, despite my own Catholicism. (Though I was disconcerted to discover that anyone, in this day and age, thinks of Catholicism as a cult, but of course you are entitled to your own opinon and this is your Website.) Certainly the idea of gratitute for the birth of the savior should be always in our minds and hearts, not just at this time of year when we celebrate his birth. I appreciate the work that you’re doing here even though I doubt I could agree with you on a number of things. Good tidings to you!

  141. “(Though I was disconcerted to discover that anyone, in this day and age, thinks of Catholicism as a cult, but of course you are entitled to your own opinon and this is your Website.”

    Just as the liberal is discontented that anyone in this day and age thinks of homosexuality as a sin?

    -Jim

  142. Janis,

    You thanked me for sharing , and you are most welcome.

    I want to say ”Thank You” to you for the link you provided by Jim Staley.

    It was the most informative one I have watched in a while.

    May God be with you and your family, and with all who read these posts during the rest of this season and each season that will follow. (It does get easier)

    I pray that more make the decision to follow Truth and leave Tradition behind and become new
    creatures yet again, in Jesus.

    Deborah

  143. Here’s a short article on the true meaning of the word associated with this season: http://www.lasttrumpetministries.org/tracts/tract4.html

  144. Manfred,

    Thank you for posting that link. That is a great piece of information for anyone who is
    in conflict with themselves (or with others) concerning whether or not to keep celebrating this
    holiday. I hope all who find themselves in that position, will seek out God’s direction and ask
    for help to abstain from staying in ‘bondage’ to it. (That is my own term) I was allowing myself to be in bondage, by ALL of the customary things one needs to do for the day December 25.. Now, I feel free. I am free, and there is no going back. It isn’t for nothing they say, ”The Truth will set you free”. May the peace of God be with you all.

    Deborah
    …………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….

  145. Tis the season to fight with your neighbor to have up a tree or nativity,
    To wrestle over Air Jordan shoes at the Mall,
    To feast and feast until we are stuffed,
    To celebrate the birth of Christ with no scripture saying to do so.

    Legal fights, and bloggers flaming over what is right for the Christmas Season,
    Yet we Christians do not even know the real history of this time,
    We’ve adopted so much from a world we have made a friend,
    Not seeing the hypocrisy doing what in any other way we would condemn.

    It’s syncretism plain and simple; a merging of Paganism and Christianity,
    You Christian why do you have that Christmas Tree? Or a nativity?
    You’ve lost your vision on where the fight should be,
    Contending for the truth, shining His light for all to see,
    By following God’s Word unadulterated not mixed with heresy!

    http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/xmas/celeb.htm

  146. I have (unfortunately) found that trying to step back from some parts of Christmas…has resulted in a lot of backlash from family (who are Christians). We didn’t put a tree up this year (and truly, I didn’t miss it) but I have family who was upset with me for taking that from my children….needless to say, we were invited to their house for Christmas since they *do* have a tree and decorations. We still had a lovely time of fellowship and food and exchanging of simple gifts….but this has been quite the battle. It’s *not* easy to pull away from celebrating Christmas. I was told not to be pharisitical. :( **They were unhappy with me in previous years for not doing the Santa/Easter Bunny thing too**. I love my family immensely….but oh what a lonely road it can be in striving to do the right thing.

  147. Thank you so much for Sharing your heart and convictions. I so desperately want to do the same but my husband has the last word on this matter. I have told him about what Xmas really is but to no avail. I have convictions and I know I will stand before my Father one day and be judged for these acts every year. May G-D bless you and continue showing you more truths that have yet to be revealed to you (such as when is the real Sabbath).

  148. We do Christmas, but no tree and especially no Santa (Saint) Claus. And I inform my kids that Jesus Christ was probably born in September (during Sukkot, the feast of Tabernacles, though some also say during Rosh Hashana) and almost certainly not in December.

  149. So, I’m not sure if anyone will read this since I am coming in a couple years late :) I have read all the comments & researched this particular subject for sometime. I am curious, do any of you participate in say the 4th of July? Do you watch sports? Have a favorite football team? My point being football is full of all kinds of sin, in many ways. Yet many pay for expensive tickets or make time to watch the game and may really enjoy the football season. They don’t try to make it about Christ or anything. It’s simply something worldly they enjoy. Could “the holiday season” be the same? It’s obviously not biblical to mix Christ into it, I firmly believe that. But can a family simply enjoy pretty lights, special cookies, a small tree, a gift ( with no debt) special time with family? Can those sorts of things just be enjoyed? Its hard to make points like this without real conversation, but can anyone see where I’m coming from?

  150. jandi – We are free to enjoy earthly things, so long as we do not allow them to become idols. The problem with the traditional trappings and practices of “Christmas” is that they have been wrongly tied to the name and person of Christ. In my house, we decided to gather the family at Thanksgiving. We have some decorations normally associated with that holiday and we exchange gifts, with thanksgiving to God for providing for us. We also must be gentle and understanding with Christians who do not yet comprehend why “Christmas” is wrong. We all see dimly and have sin that clouds our understanding to a degree, so let us not be harsh over secondary matters but gently explain why we hold to a particular view. For the glory of our God and the good of His people.

  151. Jandi, you have a powerful point there. Compromise in any guise is deadly not just at Christmas but for all seasons. As much as we can enjoy food, family and God’s blessings in full, ‘wordliness’ is something the bible definitely frowns on. As such, Christians are called to separate themselves from the world and its sinful amusements.

  152. No one knows when the celebration started. It’s all historical speculation. We do know that it had been celebrated for centuries before it was ever called Christmas. “-mas” means feast, but whether it was originally the Catholic “mass” or whether the “mass” simply appropriated the name, no one really knows.

    But if people had been celebrating Natividad or Noel for centuries, and those English upstarts across La Manche started to call it by the same name as an idolatrous religious ceremony, that wouldn’t be a reason to stop celebrating. The “Christ-mass” argument is ludicrous to non-English speakers. But for those who speak English, if you really think you are endorsing the Catholic mass by celebrating the day, you shouldn’t celebrate it. Your unsaved neighbours won’t think you are doing so, neither will your Catholic neighbours, but the one who does when doubting is condemned.

    The really substantive part of Pilgrim’s post is his second reason. If your celebration breeds materialism, greed, selfishness, and dishonesty, you’ve got a problem. But it doesn’t have to.

    It can be an opportunity to teach the joy of giving, principles of how to give, gratitude for gifts given out of love (whatever they are, after all, how do our gifts look to the Lord?), service, etc. Take your kids to sing songs of Christ’s nativity at a nursing home to lonely people. Or arrange to go visit and sing to people in the hospital on Christmas day. It’s one of the worst days to be in the hospital, and to work there, and you can brighten a lot of lives.

    The real antidote to selfish ways of celebrating is not to stop celebrating, but to teach unselfish. And if you set out to teach unselfishness to your kids, you might even change yourself….

  153. I think there is enough documented history to show a number of Pagan roots with Christmas. Here is a link to a poem/prose my wife just completed on this topic:
    http://truthwithsnares.org/2012/11/10/this-do-in-remembrance-of-me-or-celebrate-christmas-christ-mass/

  154. With all due respect, Mr. Beardsley, the poem was awful and here is why:

    It makes the explicit claim that a person who celebrates Christmas does not partake of Communion. Now, if Communion was set only on December 25th, I could understand the argument. But since it doesn’t, the claim is false.

  155. Hi Pilgrim (and everyone),

    Since the ‘season’ is upon us again, I thought I’d look up how much money christmas brought in this past year, and, to my absolute shock, it was well over 500 billion dollars !!! I looked this web site up again and wanted to say. It is mind numbing to me that there is so much money spent on Dec 25th, while there are untold numbers of homeless and hungry people in the world. I wonder how much hunger and homelessness we would have if people took this money they spend on christmas and actually took care of the poor like the bible tells us over and over to do?

    (The site I found the information on was National Retail Federation – Holiday FAQ. )

    My husband and I haven’t spent any money on this holiday for a few years and we don’t miss it at all. I hope and pray that others will allow their eyes to be opened to the idolatry of the time and practice. As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord; and will have NOTHING before Him. Not even this man made celebration called christmas.

    Someone asked me once, “How much do you want God?” At the time I was still of the world with
    this time of year and I didn’t quite get it. But now that I have allowed my eyes to be opened to the
    real truth behind christmas , I can see clearly what the question meant. What it asked me to ask myself.

    I want God more than pretty packages, bright shiny balls, colorful lights, and presents . I made a
    choice that I am very comfortable with despite the fact that it has caused some ‘feelings’ to come
    out from family members. They say I am a fanatic and need to just forget all the stuff I read and keep celebrating it for the purity of what it’s supposed to be. So, again, I told them to show me in God’s word ANYWHERE, where I am instructed to celebrate this day as the birthday of Jesus, and I’ll rethink my stand.

    The death burial and resurrection of Jesus are the most important things for us to remember. This
    is not to say that the birth of Jesus wasn’t important, because it was. It was THE MOST important
    birth ever. But I do not believe he would want this celebration done, period.

    To anyone else who is new to the concept, there is much to research and educate yourself with in the library and certainly on the internet, but, all you need to help you with this move is found in the
    Word of God, I promise you.

    God Bless you all.

    Thank you,
    Deborah

  156. Finally a real Christian. I love your values. It will pay dividends when they become adults.

    I am agnostic. I take my children to volunteer on Christmas day. I also send what I can afford to a reputable charity.

    The number of Americans who go into debt during the Christmas season due to social conditioning and pressure is staggering. I will not jeopardize my finances –which directly affects my children, mind you– just to appease the status quo.

  157. This will be the first christmas that I do not celebrate the pagan holiday of fake idols (santa claus, the tree, elves. ethc) I strive too to be closer to God and celebrating a holiday that is NOT of God, is not being closer to Him. My daughter thinks I am crazy and doesn’t want me as a mother, my sister says I have lost my mind. I have been told I am being “ridiculous”, that I have offended my family because of THEIR feelings of entitlement that they aren’t getting gifts. I have been told I am being silly that Dec 25 may not be Jesus’s birthday, but there was nothing wrong with celebrating it as such. This is only the beginning. BUT I CHOSE TO FOLLOW GOD.

    You who chose not to follow the groves of people fighting for the right gift on black Friday… and fight malls and parking and hordes of people shopping. You who chose to remember God as Holy as He is and not mimicked by satan with santa claus… Or finding the right paper to wrap your gifts of idolatry. (my husband is now burning all the wrapping paper we have that depicts or mentions Christmas) Or learning how the heathen ways and continue after YOU KNOW the truth… You are NOT alone.
    Deut 12:29-31 to start.

  158. Hello Laura,

    First, thank you for stopping by. We appreciate each reader at Defending Contending. I appreciate the position you have come to, but I would also ask that in your fervor and decision-making process that you prayerfully consider how you address this with others like family and friends.

    Sometimes, it is easy for us to arrive at a position and almost immediately forget that it is a new position to which the Lord has brought us. In other words, we can have a right position, but if our disposition is wrong, then it can often negate what we are trying to say to others. We must learn to be gracious to others whom the Lord has not yet directed away or in the same direction that He has taken us.

    There are many heathen practices that surround us and we must have a desire to follow our Lord. However, it is He who is responsible to make us into His own image. There are many who worship Christmas and the things that surround it, but not all do. I hope this helps in some way and may the Lord bless you folks in your decisions.

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