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Quotes (814)

“The whole strength of the personal life, the personal spirit, is to be so gripped by the Spirit of God that we begin to comprehend His meaning. It is always risky to use a phrase with a fringe, a phrase that has a kernel of definite meaning but a fringe of something that is not definite. The way we get off on the fringe is by ecstasy, and ecstasies may mean anything from the devil to God. An ecstasy is something that takes us clear beyond our own control and we do not know what we are doing, whether we are being inspired by God or the devil, whether we are jabbering with angels’ tongues or demons’.

When you come to the words of Our Lord or of the apostle Paul the one great safeguard is the absolute sanity of the whole thing. “…that ye may be able to comprehend…and to know”–there is no ecstasy there, no being carried out of yourself into a swoon, no danger of what the mystics of the Middle Ages called ‘Quietism’, no dangers of losing the conditions of morality.”

Oswald Chambers
1874-1917

3 comments on “Quotes (814)

  1. Ah, great quote, fourpointer. And although this makes direct, obvious application to Charismaniac mentality, we see it being taught even more vigorously by the Emerging church’s promotion of postmodern thought. Their defiance and denial of absolute truth, and their penchant for seeking nebulous “meaning”, valuing contradiction, deconstructing and reimaging the Faith into their own subjective paradigm, drives them and their followers to seek “truth” by entering and going ever deeper into mystical experiences. Using the word of God as a “lure”, or ground of commonality with traditional evangelicalism, they introduce those “fringe” elements which intentionally raise questions. Moving away from the solid ground of objective truth of the word of God, they stray from the only spiritual safeguard God has given. And like the Gnostics, always wanting to “know” something new, “deeper”, or hidden, they have willingly made themselves fertile ground for heretical teaching to take root. And this verse comes to mind: “But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons.” (1 Tim.4:1)

    But as Chambers rightly said, such is NOT the way of God. He freely, openly and clearly gives us His truth. He doesn’t want us guessing at what He means, nor going by feeling, nor finding “hidden meanings” in His word.

  2. 2 Cor 5:15 DRB
    For whether we be transported in mind, it is to God; or whether we be sober, it is for you.
    Luke 5:26 AMP
    And overwhelming astonishment and ecstasy seized them all, and they recognized and praised and thanked God; and they were filled with and controlled by reverential fear and kept saying, We have seen wonderful and strange and incredible and unthinkable things today!
    John 20:20 AMP
    So saying, He showed them His hands and His side. And when the disciples saw the Lord, they were filled with joy (delight, exultation, ecstasy, rapture).
    Acts 22:17 AMP
    Then when I had come back to Jerusalem and was praying in the temple [ enclosure], I fell into a trance (an ecstasy);

  3. Good examples of why one shouldn’t use the Amplified Bible to build doctrine.

    While they do expand the meanings of words, sometimes they go beyond the meaning of those words. The way they “amplify” John 20:20 is a good example. The Greek word translated “joy” (chairo) simply means “to rejoice, be glad; to rejoice exceedingly; to be well, thrive.” Nowhere in the NT does the use of that word ever denote a sense of “out-of-control ecstasy.”

    The Greek word translated “astonishment” in Luke 5:26 and Acts 22:17 (ekstasis) must be kept in context. It may sometimes mean “a throwing of the mind out of its normal state, alienation of mind, whether such as makes a lunatic or that of a man who by some sudden emotion is transported as it were out of himself.” But examine the verses provided. At any time, were these people “out of their right mind”? No. They were overwhelmed by their sense and emotions over what had happened, but they were not off on a lunatic bend. And in Acts 22:17 Paul was not “out of control” when he saw the risen Christ. Another definition of ekstasis shows: “amazement, the state of one who, either owing to the importance or the novelty of an event, is thrown into a state of blended fear and wonderment.”

    Finally, existemi, in 2nd Corinthians 5:13 in the Roman Catholic Douay-Rheims “translation.” Like ekstasis, can mean either “to be out of one’s mind, besides one’s self, insane.” Which meaning is conveyed when speaking of the effects that Simon Magus had on those whom he deceived. But more commonly in the NT it means “to amaze, to astonish, throw into wonderment; to be amazed, astounded” as in 2nd Corinthians 5:13.

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