If we’re not attracting the same people that Jesus attracted, it’s because we’re not preaching the same message that Jesus preached.
- Tullian Tchividijian
A great quote.
Mat 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”
Why quote Tchividjian? Isn’t he a dominionist?
Tullian a dominionist? First I’ve heard of that. What gives you that impression?
Here’s Tchividjian talking about his book ‘Unfashionable':
“God is on a mission transform this present world…because he has enlisted Christians to join Him in this work…then everything we do in this world matters forever.”
“…How can my life count for something? Big and explosive.”
He sounds like an Andy Crouch wannabe.
You may be correct, but as The Pilgrim has stated, it is the first we have heard of it. If we were to go based on guilt by association, then Tullian would fit the mold. D. James Kennedy was an avowed dominionist as a pastor of a Presbyterian church. Sadly, there are many in the Presbyterian circles who do or are leaning that direction. I know some will not like this next statement, but dominionism is a logical step in the mindset of those who fully pursue covenant theology.
I have seen Baptists go from being a separatist and a fundamentalist, to a Bible church, then to hyper-calvinism, then become Presbyterians with all that entails. The next steps are the embrace of Covenant theology, baby baptisms, amillennialism, an hyper-emphasis on the work of the law, then as Kennedy did on to dominionism because after all “it is the responsibility of the Christians in the world to make the world like us and embrace God’s law in its entirety.” The next step after Kennedy’s position would then be in the direction of people like Doug Wilson from Idaho.
The Desert Pastor
I am not so quick to label someone a dominionist based off a sentence or two that could be misunderstood to mean something the speaker never intended. Of course, “I am a dominionist,” would be an exception. :o)
I for one would need to see more proof of this claim regarding Tullian, especially in light of the fact that he received a lot of backlash for NOT continuing in Dr. DJK’s politics-from-the-pulpit. His very action of refusing to use the pulpit as a political soapbox (and all the grief he had to endure that came with that stance) leads me to suspect he may actually not have the dominionist views that you’re attributing to him.
I’m not saying you’re wrong, Yvonne, I’m just saying I’d like to see more evidence.
Well said, Pilgrim; and to TDP’s point I’m a bit hesitant to label believers as being on the slippery slope towards dominionism and heresy (hyper-calvinism) when they have affinities for Covenant Theology…in fact a certain DefCon blogger that I know very well is quite sympathetic to many aspects of this view!
Methinks some of our beloved “fightin’ fundie” separatist Baptist brethren could learn much from some of our beloved Reformed Presbyterian brethren; and vice-versa! Some of DefCon’s readers, for example, embrace historic amillennialism, or partial preterism, as opposed to premillennialism; and of course all three groups have Biblically grounded reasons for rejecting one another’s eschatological hermeneutic.
But back to dominionism, perhaps surprisingly to some the current counter-trend in many Presby circles is in exactly the opposite direction. In fact none other than the staunchly Reformed, unabashedly Confessional, and unapologetically Presbyterian TurretinFan has put up several posts recently refuting what he’s designated as “R2K” (Radical 2 Kingdom Theory) which thing has emerged from certain sectors of the Reformed camp and which essentially argues that ministers may not properly preach against the sins of the [political] nation! Ironically this view is more akin to radical 16th century Anabaptist separatism than it is to the traditional (classic) Reformed 2K theory of the proper relationships between the spheres of the visible professing church and human government.
And lastly many, if not most, of the leading voices within the dominionist camp are actually highly Pentecostal/Charismatic and anti-Reformed, emanating from the aberrant, heterodox New Apostolic Reformation, Third Wave, Latter Rain, Five-Fold Ministry, Manifest Sons of God, and Kingdom Now movements. In my opinion the undergirding and overarching principle for each of these groups, as well as the mother movement that birthed them – Charismatic Pentecostalism – is plain old fashioned Gnosticism. The Charismatic Pentecostals who [falsely] claim to receive “Thus saith the Lord” fresh special revelation directly from the mind of God are willing to impart their “secret knowledge” to those who are “initiated” and sufficiently “ascended” to receive and accept their teachings. In time these “initiates”, if they are “faithful” enough might also reach the level of being able to directly receive and impart this special revelation. Since these people view themselves as the keepers, defenders, and disseminators of fresh information about “what the Holy Spirit is doing today”, they logically view themselves as the rightful and authoritative speaking authority, or Magisterium, of the church.
On the other hand Sola Scriptura, the formal principle of the Reformation (along with the other 4 Solas) forms the basis for Reformed theology, piety, and practice, and is actually anathema to the aforementioned groups because of its insistence on adherence to Scripture Alone, which thing neuters their false and unscriptural “new light” teachings. While it’s definitely possible for someone to claim to be Reformed, and still be a dominionist, to the degree one embraces dominionism, then to that same degree they abandon the historic Reformed principle of Sola Scriptura.
Just my two cents worth!
Thanks for your words. I apologize for any offense caused. My intention was not to lump every person in the same basket or paint all with the same brush. While I believe there are dangers involved in CT, there are equally dangers in the realm of “separatist Baptist positions.” Your points are well taken. I do appreciate your input. Iron sharpens iron.
No offense taken at all, DP! Your points were well considered, and my intent was merely to expand on the subject from my own personal perspective. Dominionism is on the rise, at least in the U.S., and I think it’s incumbent upon Christians to know what they believe, and why they believe it. Your assessment of High Calvinism, in particular the brand embraced by the self-professed “Truly Reformed” can indeed spawn all sorts of serious problems, up to and including heresy such as hyper-Calvinism. A brief study of Christ’s letters to the churches in Revelation 2 ought to be enough to keep every believer on his toes, and on guard, lest we lose our focus on Christ.
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