15 thoughts on “Quotes (796)

  1. Now what I’d really like to see is a crowd of ex-islamists that have turned to the truth of Jesus doing the following:

    Acts 19:19 Also, many of those who had practiced magic brought their books together and burned them in the sight of all. And they counted up the value of them, and it totaled fifty thousand pieces of silver.

  2. Are you saying that it is okay for these people to be burning these folks books? I mean isn’t that not Christ like and an attempt to fight a spiritual battle by carnal means?

    I agree with the “unprofitable servant”, the scripture in Acts 19:19 is about peope who took their own possessions and books of truth and burned them; not about us taking someone else’s stuff and diestroying it for them..

  3. Well I’m divided on this issue. I’m sure these books are theirs to burn, is there any outcry over US army burning Bibles in Afghanistan. It is a church of 50 people who are protesting in their own way. Do I think it’s right. Well no but why the outcry even from obama. If people are trying to placate muslims, don’t bother they can’t be placated. Islam is demonic full of hatred and evil. They don’t need an excuse to kill and torture in the most horrible ways imaginable it goes on everyday for no reason. What do people think less people will be killed today if koran burning doesn’t happen. It seems the world revolves around trying to please moslems

  4. When Jesus came to earth, He modeled the perfect human life for us. The Apostles, further modeled, and instructed, how followers of Christ ought to be. Paul, Jude, and James did so as well. The Bible is our complete instruction manual on how we, as Christians, are to think, speak, and behave.

    With that established, where do we see the early church giving instruction by the guidance of the Holy Spirit, or acting in practice (again under the Holy Spirit’s guidance), to engage in the public destruction of the religious books/materials/items of an existing group of religious people? Certainly there existed at the time religious cults specifically at odds with the principles of Christianity, including: the Cults of Mithras, Isis, and Dionysus (not to mention the teachings of the Pharisees and Sadducees). Do we ever, anywhere, see Jesus, Paul, or the Apostles taking the books and materials of these religions and publicly burning them? I can’t find anywhere in the New Testament where that took place. Certainly there were statues of false gods everywhere as well (which represented those gods and the associated beliefs). Do we ever see Jesus or the Apostles of the early church going around and “desecrating” those publicly (lopping off body parts, etc)? I don’t see that mentality in the early church. Personal repentance? Absolutely! Picking fights? On the contrary, we are instructed to pursue peace with all men (Heb. 12:14).

    What I see in the Bible, is preaching the Gospel (Good News) to those of false religious belief, instructing new believers in the Truth, behaving Christ-like to everyone, verbally contending for the Faith once given and VERBALLY defending it from attack. That is our model. That is our instruction.

    Granted, this is a huge media circus, and I seriously doubt if there would be half the fuss if some one announced he was going to burn a Bible. But the issue remains, what does the Bible call us as Christians to do?

  5. In fairness to Dr. White he does not endorse the burning of the Qu’ran “event” in Florida, which as UnprofitableServant has already pointed out has apparently been cancelled. Here is the entire article from whence the quote was taken. I merely found this particular portion of Dr. White’s commentary to be the most thought provoking section. It wasn’t my intent to misrepresent him, but simply to provide an interesting quote from a man who is arguably the leading modern-day Christian apologist against Islam. Dr. White further presents his theological reasons for opposing the Qu’ran burning in a couple of videos here.

    Islam is ascendent in many regions of the world today, particularly in post-Christian Europe, and it seems apparent that a major clash of civilizations is in the making both there and abroad.

    Popery is continually making ecumenical inroads into mostly apostate Protestantism and evangelicalism, ensnaring many in its web of deceit.

    Neo-Darwinian “theistic” evolutionists are attacking the inspiration, authority, and historicity of scripture, desiring the praise of men and friendship with the academic and cultural elites of this fallen world.

    A Mormon celebrity headlines a massive rally in our nation’s capital flanked by a litany of Christian and Jewish leaders as Americans are exhorted to “return to God” (which god is unclear), even as the president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, Dr. Richard Land, describes Joseph Smith Jr.’s cult as the “fourth Abrahamic faith”.

    Progressive social change agents are literally hell-bent on mainstreaming homosexuality by taking up the mantle of “civil rights” in their “struggle for equality” in a strenuous effort to extend the sacred bond of holy matrimony to same-sex couples, while simultaneously seeking to enshrine special protections for certain sexual proclivities into civil law via “hate speech” legislation in order to silence all those who might prick their seared consciences with the hurtful truth of sin, righteousness, and the judgment to come.

    And this barely even scratches the surface of the mile-wide, inch-deep, Biblically ignorant broader professing church that’s brimming with wolves in sheep’s clothing, hirelings, goat-herders, man-pleasers, false-converts, goats, and tares who in reality care no more about the One true and living God and His Christ than they do about a fleck of vomit.

    And perhaps most amazingly of all these things are occurring even as true Christians are harassed, raped, robbed, and martyred around the world simply for being Christians; yet the hottest news story circulating around the globe is that an obscure, 50-member church in South Florida had the audacity to plan to publicly burn a book regarded as holy by the “religion of pieces” on 9/11/10. Mind-boggling, isn’t it?

    In Him,
    CD

  6. Can anyone say, “shock value”? I can almost guarantee that this church is in financial trouble, losing members and needed to do “something” to attract attention, unfortunately this smells like another Nero blaming the Christians for burning Rome…

  7. From what I have read this morning, the so-called wolf of this gathering place in Florida has decided that they may just go ahead with the Koran burning because he believes he was lied to by the Ground Zero Mosque Imam.

  8. One needs to go very deep into the “rabbit hole” to know what is truly behind this “clash of civilizations”.

    In the end, it is the same “usual suspects”.

    And when I say usual suspects, I’m talking about post removal from the matrix usual suspects.

    Albert Pike received a vision, which he described in a letter that he wrote to Mazzini, dated August 15, 1871. This letter graphically outlined plans for three world wars that were seen as necessary to bring about the One World Order, and we can marvel at how accurately it has predicted events that have already taken place.

    http://www.threeworldwars.com/albert-pike2.htm

    Below is an article by Jerry Golden, a Jewish Christian.

    http://www.goldenisraelreport.com/EvilRoots.htm

    “Kansas: Preach Gospel to Muslims – Get Arrested”

    http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.7306/pub_detail.asp

    I strongly suspect that those among us that obey the government without question, even when it is an “obey God rather than man” issue, would take offense at this preacher.

    However, I do disagree with his statement:

    “America, we have a Muslim president. This is a sin against the Lord.”

    The whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one. Everything that unbelievers do is a “sin against the Lord”. How can electing a muslim president make anyone less or more of a sinner than other acts?

    Peter and Paul found out numerous times in the book of Acts that there are instances when you just cant obey the government if we are to obey God.

    And one we may all face in the future, the mark of the beast, will be an eternal life or death test of faith.

    Sorry about 3 posts in a row but I found some additional stories on all of this:

    Minister: Quran Burning Might Not be Canceled

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/09/09/national/main6851494.shtml

    US Pastor ‘Will Not Burn Koran’ Amid Uproar

    http://www.lbc.co.uk/three-protesters-shot-in-koran-burning-row-29716

    Koran-Burning Church’s Website Yanked From Internet

    http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/09/koran-burner-website-yanked/

    Citing Quran-Burning Threat, Islamic Body Wants U.N. to Outlaw ‘Offenses Against Religion’

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/75141

    Westboro Baptist Church to burn Qurans if Dove doesn’t

    http://www.ocala.com/article/20100909/ARTICLES/100909743/1412?Title=Westboro-Baptish-Church-to-burn-Qurans-if-Dove-doesn-t

    And if these stories are not enough, I recall one I read several weeks ago the the name “Cordoba House” is a definate reference to the moslem forward base of operations when seeking to take the west centuries ago.

    The story below isn’t the one I originally read but covers the same info.

    “A Mosque Named “Cordoba House” at Ground Zero”

    http://lonestartimes.squawkboxnoise.com/?p=3081

    One of the sites I read frequently, http://www.markswatson.com/ , has an interesting take on the whole matter:
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    Koran Burning Cancelled… For Now – Mirror

    US pastor Terry Jones cancelled the event on condition that controversial plans to build a mosque near Ground Zero in New York were axed. Mr Jones, who runs the tiny Dove World Outreach Center church, claimed Muslim leaders had agreed to move the location of the Islamic centre.(end excerpt)

    Well, let me tell you this about that. Withing the past 48 hours, the pastor had the full weight of the US government land at his Church. The Local AG, US Law enforcdement with other folks related to the DOD and National Security beuracracy. They read him the riot act. They tried to reason with him and then told him point blank, if you do this thing, we cannot protect you from Islamic retaliation. Not only can we not protect you, we will not protect you. I think the message took and the pastor will probably not do this thing. The question is this, given the media spotlight given by those on the Right (Beck, Palin, Billioniare Tea Party loopdeeloops) the hard question is this: Was this guy, who has a extremely small congretation, paid $$$ for this in some kind of perverse publicity stunt. My sources are not sure but hinted that folks are indeed looking at this likely possiblity.

    Where do I stand? This stunt by the pastor was wrong. You do not win folks to Christ by insulting them. If others think this is a sacred book, that is their personal belief they are entitled to it. Our Job is to tell them of the love and grace of Christ. It is to tell them that God sent his on Christ to the Cross for our sins. It is a positive message, not a negative one. Look at how Paul dealt with those who had differing beliefs. The following passage is about the Apostle Paul who is in an ancient city with all kinds of idols and gods around who were revered by the populace. But Paul was both shrewd in his message and did not antagonize his listeners.

    Then certain philosophers of the Epicureans, and of the Stoicks, encountered him. And some said, What will this babbler say? other some, He seemeth to be a setter forth of strange gods: because he preached unto them Jesus, and the resurrection. And they took him, and brought him unto Areopagus, saying, May we know what this new doctrine, whereof thou speakest, is? For thou bringest certain strange things to our ears: we would know therefore what these things mean. (For all the Athenians and strangers which were there spent their time in nothing else, but either to tell, or to hear some new thing.) Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars’ hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious. For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you. God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; Neither is worshipped with men’s hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device. And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead. And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked: and others said, We will hear thee again of this matter. So Paul departed from among them. Howbeit certain men clave unto him, and believed: among the which was Dionysius the Areopagite, and a woman named Damaris, and others with them.
    (Act 17:18-34)

    Paul and any good evangalist will always ‘know his audience’ and keep that in mind as he or she lets God speak through him. This pastor is just not listening to God. But that is the case with so many Christians and this includes a great many pastors. Far too many want to sound holy and religions for show. They are not doing it for God and his gospel but to keep their congregation or in other cases, to get the spotlight by being controversial.
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    Unfortunately, he missed an important scripture:

    Acts 14:15 and saying, “Men, why are you doing these things? We also are men with the same nature as you, and preach to you that you should turn from these useless things to the living God, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them,

    Are we willing to call all other beliefs and unbelief itself “useless things”?

    If not, we should be.

  9. UnprofitableServant:

    Regarding your comment:

    ” Well Jesus drove the money changers out of the temple….And they were his own countrymen…”

    Just so people will not be confused, the thing to note about Jesus overturning the tables of the merchants in the Temple was that it was His Father’s house (and therefore His house) in which He was doing this:

    “In the temple he found those who were selling oxen and sheep and pigeons, and the money-changers sitting there. And making a whip of cords, he drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and oxen. And he poured out the coins of the money-changers and overturned their tables. And he told those who sold the pigeons, “Take these things away; do not make my Father’s house a house of trade”. His disciples remembered that it was written, “Zeal for your house will consume me.” ” (Jn.2:14-17)

    They were not selling idols, or other religious materials. They were perverting the system, the “schoolmaster”, that God had set up to foreshadow what the coming Christ (Jesus Himself) was about to do.

    Galilee was a highly Gentile area, surrounded by other Gentile peoples, and thus had varied religious beliefs which circulated within the Roman Empire. What we do not see is Jesus going to the local Galilean Trader Joe’s (street market selling goods of anything from foods and clothing, to religious items which could easily have included the most popular religious statues and talismans of the Empire), and publicly destroying heathen religious items. Jesus gave no such example. What Jesus did do was cast out corruption from His Temple.

    Paul had the greatest opportunity to burn books and destroy items of false religion, traveling to the very heart of heathen Greek and Roman civilizations. Yet, quite conspicuously, he refrained from any such behavior.

  10. I agree with your statement David.

    What I find disturbing concerning some of the stories I’ve read is that Christians aren’t rebuking their leaders, political and spiritual, for calling the koran “holy”, but rather this man for standing against an evil religion, however wrong he may be in his methods.

    I don’t believe that this pastor in Florida heard from God at all but he is right about islam being from the devil.

    Personally, I’ve never burned a koran but if I did it would be privately to keep it out of other potential victims hands.

    One thing I have done in the past and will do in the future is tear up and throw away any watchtoer literature I come across.

    I’ve done this with buddist material once as well.

    Please note that this material is in public and freely available for anyone to take to enjoy or in my case, prevent someone from being contaminated with lies.

    Come to think of it, when a good brother/friend and I go hiking, once in a while we’ll come across pagan rock stacks and we’ll knock them down.

    Anyway, like it or not, this whole thing is going to have lasting reprucussions on all of us.

    That article “Citing Quran-Burning Threat, Islamic Body Wants U.N. to Outlaw ‘Offenses Against Religion’” isn’t the first time I’ve heard that they want something like that.

    Only problem is, it’s only going to affect Christians in the end.

    Secularists, humanists, islamists and all the other ists and isms will be free to speak about anything.

    We’ll be free to shut up or die.

  11. I’m with you UnprofitableServant.

    I travel a LOT for my job and every time I check into a hotel room I look for the inevitable book of mormon. I take it to the trash can where it joins the rest of the garbage. Over the many years I have thrown out more copies of that infernal rag than I can count.

    Keep up the good work UnprofitableServant!

    – Jeff H

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