Sometimes the most scathing indictment of the current condition of the church in America comes to us on the wings of clever sarcasm.
HT: The Desert Pastor
Sadly, this is almost considered the norm these days!
As a Rick Warren disciple former “pastor” of mine (who was a big fan of the normative principal) put it – Jesus used food to attract large crowds to follow him, why shouldn’t we use those same methods?
I left, shaking my head – thinking only of the rebuke Jesus gave to those who followed Him for the miracles and the food, and wondering how that man was able to fill the office of elder (by whatever name he claimed).
But …. If one takes his view, this soup would fit the bill just fine!
This soup comes highly recommended by Brian McLaren and Jim Wallis as apart of your basic soul destroying diet.
I have heard the same thing from Rick Warren like disciples. I am even hearing that kind of stuff from a lot of John Piper/Mark Driscoll supporters.
Haha! Love the pic, in an “It’s funny but sad how it’s true” sort of way. I agree – sarcasm can sometimes be effective in delivering what would be a scathing remark.
“Frankly, we don’t know what’s in this stuff, but that’s what makes it so mysterious and yummy!”
Sounds like Purpose-Drivenism™. “Who cares what they teach–let’s all just find our common ground and get along!”
It tastes so lukewarm, you won’t even have to blow on the spoon to cool it off before slurping it down.
However, in the end, it WILL be vomited out!
And sometimes the most scathing indictment of the current condition of the church in America comes to us from the words of Holy Scripture.
Jeremiah 50:6 “My people have been lost sheep. Their shepherds have led them astray; They have turned them away on the mountains. They have gone from mountain to hill; They have forgotten their resting place.
Mmmmm…doesn’t that sound emerg-a-licious?
And don’t forget to top off that meal with a thick, tasty slice of leavened bread slathered with a heaping helping of I Can’t Believe It’s Not Biblical spread!
With sure-to-please products like these on the doctrinal menu you’ll feel much better about not knowing what you’ve just swallowed at your next church meeting, er, I mean “gathering”!
I’m posting this because in my short time as a Christian from 2007. I’ve always understood throughout Scripture’s explanation of tongues Acts 2:1-13 that what I hear today in churches that proclaim this gift, is not biblical tongues. From Pentecostal to Charismatic to Reformed…some state that the gift of tongues is still in operation.
I don’t if anybody is aware, but I believe Tim Conway (who I’ve got some good teaching on portions of Scripture) is on the understanding that tongues still exist..and actually gave an example of it at a missionary trip of HeartCry Missionary (Paul Washer’s Ministry) where he heard this.
The video is here.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMkpn0iZonA
Also John Piper is for these gifts also.. http://solasisters.blogspot.com/2010/07/john-piper-charismatic-calvinist.html
Is gifts of tongues an essential part of doctrine? (as far as believeing that Christians today are capable of this gift or not?) or is this on the category of false prophets, teachers..who teach these gifts are available today? God Bless and look forward to iron sharpening iron..:)
Has Jame White (www.aomin.org) ever discussed or gave a presentation on the gifts and their operation among Christians today? I couldn’t find anything. I get good teaching from his ministry from apologetics to just plain defending the faith.
I have not heard of Gino Jennings; however, he is a crackpot! He believes in baptismal regeneration and also holds to Oneness Theology.
The Desert Pastor
You’ll find great biblical teaching from all 4 of the men you mentioned [ Washer, James White, Piper and Tim Conway].
Sure, all may have different ‘personal-convictions’ regarding views on the gifts – but all are very biblical.
We need to be very careful that we do not forget we are dealing with falliable men here – as long as we are here on earth you will NEVER find a PERFECT theologian.
Just be a Berean and listen to wise counsel.
Bless you as you seek to know Him more and more.
Matthew – I agree on us being Bereans in going towards Scripture. But is the teaching of the gifts of tongues in operation damaging to believers? If we have a pastor who teaches that it is biblical then that brings forth a whole sum of gifts in operation from healings (the likes of the Apostles and Christ Himself), raising the dead, healing the lame and others. This is where the whole modern-day miracles and prophecies start with a incorrect understanding of the gifts.
As stated, if a Christian does have the gift of tongues as explained in Acts 2:1-13. Then we must search that person out and send him on a plane immeadiately to a part of the world where he could preach the Gospel to a tribe of people whos language is not known or taught. but as I said Ive personally have not heard or known anybody with the gift of tongues anywhere, but in Scripture.
CPCIV you need to do dome further bible study.
The greek for the gift of tongues exhibited in Act 2 is Xenolalia. That is the speaking of another human language. In this case the miracle goes beyond even that as one speaker is understood by many in their own language. How great is our God!
All other New Testament references are to Glosslalia. (I’m unsure of both greek spellings off the top of my keypad.) Like in 1 Corinthians Paul refers to the correct uses of glossalalia within public worship.
Biblically speaking glossalalia is the speaking of heavenly language either as groanings in personal prayer or prophetic utterance for interpretation.
Sibusiso – I do agreee that Acts is talking about a human language.
When the day of Pentecost had come, they were all together in one place. And suddenly there came from heaven a noise like a violent rushing wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. And there appeared to them tongues as of fire distributing themselves, and they rested on each one of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit was giving them utterance.
Now there were Jews living in Jerusalem, devout men from every nation under heaven. And when this sound occurred, the crowd came together, and were bewildered because each one of them was hearing them speak in his own language. They were amazed and astonished, saying, “Why, are not all these who are speaking Galileans?
“And how is it that we each hear them in our own language to which we were born? “Parthians and Medes and Elamites, and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the districts of Libya around Cyrene, and visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabs–we hear them in our own tongues speaking of the mighty deeds of God.”
And they all continued in amazement and great perplexity, saying to one another, “What does this mean?” But others were mocking and saying, “They are full of sweet wine.”
Known human language..I don’t believe anywhere else in Scripture that the “painting of tongues” is given its explanation besides Acts..the “painting of tongues” is mentioned, but not explained.
Could you explain the groanings, what would this sound like?
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