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We believe that the Baptists are the original Christians. We did not commence our existence at the reformation, we were reformers before Luther and Calvin were born; we never came from the Church of Rome, for we were never in it, but we have an unbroken line up to the apostles themselves. We have always existed from the days of Christ, and our principles, sometimes veiled and forgotten, like a river which may travel under ground for a little season, have always had honest and holy adherents. Persecuted alike by Romanists and Protestants of almost every sect, yet there has never existed a Government holding Baptist principles which persecuted others; nor, I believe, any body of Baptists ever held it to be right to put the consciences of others under the control of man. We have ever been ready to suffer, as our martyrologies will prove, but we are not ready to accept any help from the State, to prostitute the purity of the Bride of Christ to any alliance with Government, and we will never make the Church, although the Queen, the despot over the consciences of men.

- Charles Spurgeon

1834 – 1892

11 comments on “Quotes (745)

  1. Well, that is very interesting – Thanks!

  2. Hey, another first for Amerika’s Pester. Rick Warren!

  3. The name “Baptists” wasn’t used to identify a group of Christians until centuries past the death of our Lord. I know many Baptists who think as did Spurgeon on this issue. I see no reason to embark on defending his position simply because I detest denominational pride. There is no biblical or historical support for the position. I am a Baptist and I think our doctrine has been more sound than many others, but we have our share of false teachers and apostates.

    May God have mercy on us.

  4. I wonder what Heaven will look like anyway? Baptist Avenue…Lutheran Crescent…Pentecostal Way. Don’t go down there, that’s where the Baptists live, best stick to your own denomination. I can hear the gossip fly now, “Did you know that Spurgeon and Peter were seen down by the river hashing out some theological points? I can’t believe that Spurgeon would talk to a “Non-denom”. We out to stick to ourselves…really!

  5. Amen my brother Manfred…..Amen.

  6. The Name baptist may not have been used to ID a Group of People, but it was used to ID John.. And Since the great commission was to go and teach and baptize… I would say the apostles were also baptist.

    I do not take this quote as being a form of one-up-man-ship, I would take it as a defense against the Catholic argument of being the one true church.

    If we are following the commands of Jesus we would all be baptist in the larger picture

    Of course I myself am a metho-bapti-catholic (small c) disciple of Jesus (who is the Christ) and have not been in a denominational church (except visits, weddings, or funerals) since about 1980
    I do attend a Christian church and have small group in my house most weeks

  7. Actually Manfred, there is evidence that even the Catholics regarded as the “greatest of the heretical groups” that sect which is known as baptistic in doctrine. Yes, the name Baptist was not used to define a specific congregation until about 1609 in England. I too hate denominational titles and sectarianism, but I am convinced that Spurgeon was not making the statement to build up a denomination but the doctrine for which historically those who were baptistic stood for.

    It is also historically accurate that Baptists were not reformers, nor were they historically Protestant for they never came out of the Roman Catholic Church.

    However, having said that you are correct that there are those who claim to be “Baptist” but are so in name only, and not in doctrine – i.e. Rick Warren is one good example.

    The Desert Pastor

  8. I agree with The Desert Pastor. Spurgeon was not appealing to his own denomination. Remember, he broke ranks with the denomination in the “Downgrade Controversy”. He is saying that through Church history there has been believers that has held to historic Baptist doctrines (though they did not wear the label Baptist) through the centuries.

    I was saved in a SBC church and am a member of a SBC church. If the SBC launches off into some heresy durning their annual meeting in June, I would still hold to those Baptist distinctives and find a church that held to them even if they didn’t wear the name Baptist.
    :) Hab

  9. One has to go by the doctrines proclaimed. Certainly Lutheranism holds to baptismal regeneration, among other false things (and I use Luther and the LCMS on this).

    In regard to the Baptists, as stated, by other names, these Christians have by doctrine and distinctives been biblical (with some veering away from truth and starting their own groups not to be considered historic Baptists).

    Not many Christians are familiar with nor have even heard of the history of Historic Baptists. Instead they just accept that which the RCC has handed over down through the ages, but the RCC never was nor is a valid church so neither is her history or fathers. The persecuters of Christ and His children are not to be considered authoritative.

    If anyone here wants info, here’s some excellent places to go:

    A short history of the Baptists: http://www.pbministries.org/History/Goodwin_&_Frazier/churches_02.htm

    A Concise History of the Baptists by G.H. Orchard: http://sglblibrary.homestead.com/files/orchard/contents.htm

    More history of the Baptists: http://www.pbministries.org/History/baptist_history.htm

    The Protestant Trilemma: http://www.reformedreader.org/history/graves/ptl/pt.htm

  10. Amen and I agree likewise else I would not have posted it. For I like DP stated detest denominational titles and everything that goes with them. This is why I always identify myself with Christ and will never “join” a denomination. I’m baptist in doctrine, Christian in name.

  11. Habakkuk 2:4b “but the righteous shall live by his faith”

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