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Democracy is always temporary in nature.

DefCon is not a political blog. We do, however, touch on political topics when appropriate. See past posts such as Has the Religious Right Lost Its Voice in American Politics? and The Fall of the United States of Rome for examples.

I recently found the following piece that was written by VA Voter back on October 22, 2007. I found it here on Free Republic.com and felt compelled to share it with the readers of this blog. Although America was originally a republic, there is little doubt it has since morphed into a democracy.

VA Voter’s post is very eye-opening but since its posting I have received information that those who the quotes are attributed to never made them. I do not wish to promulgate error, and sincerely apologize if  this re-posting of VA Voter’s piece mislead anyone.

With that said, I will allow the following quote (from the original thread I procured this from) to stand. Regardless of whoever the original source of the following quote is from, I think it is very thought-provoking and is further proof that Believers should not trust in such temporal things as horses and chariots, but we should trust in the eternal name of our Lord (Psalm 20:7).

A Democracy is always temporary in nature:

‘A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government’

‘A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury’

‘From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship’

‘The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years’

‘During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:

1. From bondage to spiritual faith;

2. From spiritual faith to great courage;

3. From courage to liberty;

4. From liberty to abundance;

5. From abundance to complacency;

6. From complacency to apathy;

7. From apathy to dependence;

8. From dependence back into bondage’

And finally, I wanted to leave you with a quote that’s been attributed to Winston Churchill:

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

16 comments on “Democracy is always temporary in nature.

  1. Hey there, friend! Good thing you’re NOT a political blog, because a quick Google search reveals that you’re guilty of parroting an outright LIE. Professor Olson, of HAMline University School of Law has been trying to debunk this nonsense for nearly ten years. From his bio at the Hamline University website:

    DISCLAIMER: There are a series of e-mails floating around the internet dealing with the 2008 Obama/McCain election and the 2000 Bush/Gore election, remarks of a Scottish philosopher named Alexander Tyler, suicide rates, or ANYTHING ELSE. I did not author any part of either email. I’ve been trying to kill this falacy for nearly 10 years. I didn’t have any part of it in 2000 and I still have no part of the email in regards to the 2008 election.

    Ironically, Olson himself has misspelled ‘fallacy’. I look forward to your constructive editing of the above piece. Democracy may be temporary but apparently mendacity is immortal…

  2. I was listening to this 2 nights ago on the very same subject
    http://www.gty.org/Shop/Audio+Lessons/27-07_The-Rise-and-Fall-of-the-World-Part-1

  3. Democracy is a bunch of sinners trying to decide which sinner among them should rule them, however God always manages to have the final say in the end no matter what political systems people try to use.

  4. I hate democracy – in politics and in the church. In politics, I cherish our Constitutional form of government, rightly noted above as NOT a democracy. I wrote this 6 years ago: http://brogdensmuse.menofhonorministry.org/Politics/the_Republic.htm

    I am in favor of nullification laws in the several states, as was the practice before Lincoln.

    While I detest the dissolution of this country, I am confident that God is the Sovereign and Christ is my refuge. I rejoice in belonging to a local church that builds up the saints in the Truth of God’s Word, not focusing our attention on pragmatic issues.

    My adult son sent me a short email this morning, telling me that the Speaker of the House makes him ill – vomit was the word. I told him to stay hydrated, as this will take a long time before it gets better.

  5. Please guys, as much as I would like to believe this, the story is not true. The university is Hamline not Hemline and Professor Olson disavows any connection to the statistics cited or the story itself. Anything found on the internet must be fact checked.

  6. How true and how sad since America was NEVER supposed to be a “democracy” in the first place. Most of the founders hated democracy and considered it mob rule, one step away from anarchy. And we’re almost there.

  7. “A Republic, madam, if you can hold on to it!”

    – Benjamin Franklin, responding to a lady in a crowd, who, at the close of the Constitutional Convention, called out, “Mr. Franklin! What kind of a government have you given us?!”
    – Sept. 17, 1787

    Democracy?… or Representative Republic?
    Unfortunately NOBODY seems to understand the difference.

    Romans 13 is a wonderful read, unfortunately NOBODY seems to understand IT either!

    Tribulation? or Wrath of God, seems nobody understands the difference here either.

    “We are Abraham’s sons, and are been slaves to no one.” Quoted to Jesus by the religious leaders of His day…….after 500 years of captivity! (Matthew 15 Mark 7)

    How do these all relate you may ask…or not…
    Time to wake up folks nations are judged now because they won’t be here later.

    Mickey Merrie
    He.must_increase@yahoo.com

    18 months ago I made the comment that if we were lucky we would exit this time as Amish with a French accent….last night we acquired the French accent, soon we will have the Amish lifestyle….if we are lucky.

  8. Listen, I apologize if my earliest comment seemed glib, but seriously: you are propogating a lie if you are going to adhere to the “quotes” and bogus statistics presented in this post. The only verifiable piece of information is the name of the professor (who has been trying for almost ten years to put down this pernicious hoax) and the quote attributed to Churchill. The remainder of this post is BOGUS.

    Please brother, as a long time reader who has found this site to be of invaluable assistance in my Christian growth, I urge you to delete this post or rewrite it so that it lines up with the truth. Note that I am adhering to the standards of conduct you’ve requested in your “Rules of Engagement” section and duly submit this to you in all sincere respect. This is not a ‘flame’ or an ill-tempered rant. This is a call to repentance and correction, and I hope you’ll accept it.

    Please continue to post only Truth.

  9. Here’s a great little quote*

    “Christianity is not a culture. It is a faith wrapped around a person who had a real life, a life of significance because he was God incarnate and rose from the dead as he promised. It is a system of truth claims. The gospel has succeeded in a variety of cultures and has thrived among groups maintaining vastly different… values and mores, and has been just as good at reconciling socialists to God as capitalists” – Michael S.Horton

  10. Liked it so much I posted it at my bolg (but gave you guys a plug) :)

  11. Dear BrotherK:

    I thought the issue was with the second half of VA Voter’s post (regarding professor Olson). And that part was removed. What part are you saying is in error now?

    – Pilgrim

  12. The totalitarian instincts of the Democratic Party will never cease, but only grow.

    They will not be happy untill they control every aspect of our lives.

  13. Well, in brief, every word between “…(Psalm 20:7)” and the Churchill quote is pure fiction. The “Fatal Sequence” or “Tytler Cycle” (after the man believed to have originated it, Alexander Fraser Tytler, Lord Woodhouselee, 1747 – 1813) is an artifact from a speech given by a man named H.W. Prentis in 1943. The closest Tytler (not Tyler) ever came to this statement is this quote taken from Bartleby:

    “It is not, perhaps, unreasonable to conclude, that a pure and perfect democracy is a thing not attainable by man, constituted as he is of contending elements of vice and virtue, and ever mainly influenced by the predominant principle of self-interest. It may, indeed, be confidently asserted, that there never was that government called a republic, which was not ultimately ruled by a single will, and, therefore, (however bold may seem the paradox,) virtually and substantially a monarchy.” – University History, vol. 1, book 2, chapter 6, p. 216 (1838)

    Now, as I said earlier, I am a fan of this site and while my reaction (or overreaction, you decide) may have been strong, I do mean it for your good. You routinely handle Pulpiticians (my word) who try to play fast & loose with Scriptural content and intent. I would never want your integrity or honesty to suffer harm because of a slick-looking internet hoax (slick enough, in fact, that Jude’s audio link above shows it nabbed John MacArthur(!) of all people) that seemed a true coin.

    So again, I urge you: delete the post or rewrite it entirely using your own words. You’re eloquent enough by far and certainly far more persuasive in your arguments than the goof who thought up this ‘Cycle’. I mean, really – the ATHENIAN Republic went from “..bondage to spiritual faith?” What, they went from the Cult of Dionysus to worshiping – what, Artemis? Apollo? Yeah, yeah, yeah: some “faith”. Don’t you believe it…;-)

  14. Dear BrotherK:

    Well, in spite of your first comment being very snarky, you have since been graceful and diplomatic. And I truly appreciate your pointing out of the errors in the original source documentation.

    I have edited the post down to the bare bones of the piece (which is what I believe is a most profound opinion on the matter).

    So what can I take away from all this? I knew I should have stayed away from politics. :o)

    Thanks again.

    Sincerely,
    – Pilgrim

  15. Pilgrim:

    Thank you for the food for thought. How often do church-goers think the prevailing political party is either “God’s party” or “Satan’s party”, when the world and it’s politics are, well, of the world. Christians, though living here and abiding by the laws of the land, are strangers and pilgrims on this earth. Our citizenship is in heaven. Jesus said His kingdom is not of this world. We can never make the unsaved world a place pleasing to Him. We look forward to His return to rule this planet in His wisdom and glory.

  16. I guess God’s Kingdom is democracy in the way that you can vote with your hearts and your deeds whether you like to join Jesus in eternity under His absolute autocratic government or you can choose to go to Hell with eternal suffering.

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