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Vision Forum’s Doug Phillips on Avatar.

I’m sure this will upset the applecart of those who see no problem with having one foot in the church and the other foot in the world (namely its entertainment), but for anyone who plans on seeing the film Avatar, below is some food for thought from Doug Phillips. And for those who have seen it, here’s what you’ve exposed yourself (and possibly your family) to:


Twelve Things I learned From Avatar: A Worldview Review of the Top Film of 2010

There is so much that could be said about James Cameron’s riveting and technologically advanced blockbuster, Avatar, but I thought it would be helpful to very simply distill some of the most important messages I learned from this film which is now the highest grossing film in all of history, and which will likely be the most popular film of 2010. Below are the headlines from a forthcoming review of the film:

  1. We can experience liberty when our spirits possess alien bodies.
  2. Business men are evil because they rape the earth for profit.
  3. It is noble to be a savage.
  4. The earth is our mother.
  5. God is female.
  6. Animals are our brothers.
  7. In noble cultures women are the spiritual leaders.
  8. Nudity is freedom.
  9. Heroes have foul mouths.
  10. Shamanism and demonic possession is a means for healing.
  11. Enlightened cultures are spiritually unified with animals and plants.
  12. Men are born-again as they commune with the earth.

Bonus Lessons From Hollywood:

  1. Pantheism is the religion of the Hollywood elite.
  2. Darwinism, with its emphasis on evolution as the defining process for understanding the universe, is at the heart of Hollywood pantheism.
  3. A primary mission of Hollywood pantheism is to destroy the Dominion Mandate, the doctrine of Creation and the Creator/creature distinctive detailed in the Bible.
  4. Science fiction is the primary genre used as an evangelism tool for Hollywood’s religion of pantheism.
  5. Films are more important than schools, pulpits or politics, for training disciples of this new Hollywood religion.

Bonus Lessons About Christians and Hollywood:

  1. Most professing Christians will check their spiritual discernment at the door of a movie theater for a cheap thrill.
  2. Most professing Christians love fantasy more than reality.
  3. Fantasy books, films and television shows have trained professing Christians to be polytheists—individuals who believe that you can worship many gods at the same time—in this case, the gods of pantheism and the gods of Christianity.
  4. Most professing Christians have greater delight in a pantheistic Hollywood film about non-reality, than in reading the Bible or hearing a sermon about truth.

Hollywood understands that the demographic of film consumption by non-Christians and Christians is essentially the same—both look to Hollywood for a fatty diet of entertainment to help them escape from reality.   – Doug Phillips on February 15, 2010

37 comments on “Vision Forum’s Doug Phillips on Avatar.

  1. With a clear conscience I can [and did] go to the cinema with my wife and don the 3D glasses and enjoy the film.

    Did it effect me in any way? No.

    Did it have a detrimental effect on my wife and her spirituality? No.

  2. I cannot understand why anyone who loves Christ and desires to serve Him would desire to pay money and watch a movie that is not God-honoring. I always recall Paul Washer’s statement from his youth message, ‘you want God to move, but before you go, you watch movies that God absolutely HATES!!’ [ i paraphrased that somewhat from Pastor Washer's orginal statement].
    If it does not honor and glorify God, why do we want to be involved in it?

  3. I did not and will not see this tripe…

    Hollywood and I parted company long ago.

    Thanks be to God!

  4. -The Pilgrim,

    Hello, in your opinion what is having on foot in the world and one foot in the church?

    Am I allowed to work at a business not run by Christians?
    Am I allowed to watch baseball and go to amusement parks with friends?

    I really want to know what you mean.

    I love the Lord and seek to honor him. Im careful about the things I watch and do but I still enjoy a good clean movie or sports. Have you seen UP. It was a wonderful movie with great morals but it was made by the world. I watched it with my wife and we had a great time seeing it for a date night. I go to birthday parties and celebrate Fathers day and mothers day but the world made them up too. Christians live in the world and we do lots of things of the world that are not in themselves Christian but are not bad either right, Fathers day, Mothers day, Birthdays, sports, clean movies, TV (I love Lucy) clean music, amusement parks, game shows (wheel of fortune), and many other things. Are those things wrong?

    I would love to hear your opinion and thoughts on my question and I look forward to your advise.

    -Jeff H

    “You and Hollywood parted company long ago”

    I would love to know what that means

    Do you watch any form of TV ( I love Lucy) or movies, sports or game shows, any form at all? I would assume from that statement that you don’t even have a TV in your home.

    I would love to know what you mean and maybe it will help me understand what being separate from the world means.

    Sincerely

    Matthew

  5. Pilgrim,

    You must not have received the memo from the BC Christian News.

    - “The aliens even worship a mother goddess whose name, Eywa, sounds a bit like Yahweh said backwards.”

    - “So unlike a number of films that have revolved around the supposed conflict between ‘true spirituality’ and ‘organized religion,’ Avatar is content to pit postmodern faith against modern materialistic skepticism and leave it at that.”

    - “It may be rather New Age; but even so, there is something there that we can work with.”

    Personally, I’m having a hard time imagining what type of work that guy plans on doing with this movie. I doubt he and I will be going out witnessing together anytime soon.

    Thanks,
    Bill

  6. Hi Matthew Birch,
    I cannot speak for Pilgrim, but one thing I will say is that one will be hard pressed to find anything “clean” produced from Hollywood. That is, if the definition of “clean” means that which is Christ honoring and according to his word and principles as laid out in Scripture. For it is written that an evil tree can only produce evil fruit, and as far as I am concerned Hollywood is an evil tree. Here, I include certainly Hollywood present but also Hollywood past.

    Consider your example of “I Love Lucy.” Is it funny? Yes, in many cases hilarious and I have probably seen the majority if not all of the episodes. Is is God honoring? Hardly. Stop and think about the show put it under the lens of God’s word. Lucy is a conceiving, lying, manipulative and deceptive woman who is constantly usurping the authority of her supposed head. I say supposed because in actuality she lives like the head of the household. Her submission to her husband, if it can be called that, is only when she gets in trouble and botches things so badly that she sheepishly goes back to Ricky as he pins her to the wall with “Luuuuccccy.”

    And of course Lucy has her partner in crime, Ethel. One Lucy is more than apt to include in her escapades as Ethel likewise is out from under the authority of her husband.

    Consider also that in some of the episodes Lucy and Ethel dabble with the occult whether it be card reading in episode 1 or as another example, having a seánce and dabbling with numerology in episode 7. Is this something we should be watching to entertain us and make us laugh? Are witchcraft and the occult funny?

    Most assuredly not yet enter Hollywood where they are masters as making sin and rebellion funny where the unsuspecting drink it down without giving it a passing thought. For the world this is as it will always be, but for us as Christians these things ought not be. Because sin is NOT funny no matter how evil men and woman may make light of it and dress it up to make it palatable. For sin is what nailed Christ to the tree whereby he came to deliver us from it, and it is sin which we are commanded to flee from no matter what form it may come unto us.

    Blessings to you in your walk.

  7. brother Michael,

    Or how about Laurel & Hardy, who were deep in Masonry and the Shriners? This was evident in several of their “funny” black and white movies they did. Or how about Charlie Chaplin who it is claimed had lustings for young women and a major problem with adultery as evidenced by the fact he was married and divorced several times (along with most of the Hollywood actors and actresses)?

    Oh yes, those films were funny or poignant in places, yet the underlying tones were subtle but there and it was the early purveyor to the mess we see being portrayed in Hollywood today. Hollywood is NOT a friend to biblical marriage, to the biblical family, and more importantly is NO friend of or to the Lord Jesus Christ in ANY way!

    ***************

    I would highly recommend the website Plugged In Online before going to watch any new movies.

  8. matthew birch,

    Do you watch any form of TV ( I love Lucy) or movies, sports or game shows, any form at all?

    Nope. I do not watch TV. Zip. Zero. Nada. No sitcoms, no sports (yuck), no game shows, NOTHING!

    I would assume from that statement that you don’t even have a TV in your home.

    I have a couple. My family watches the occasional Christian movie. I would suggest “Time Changer.” It’s one of my favorites. “The Perfect Stranger”(with Jefferson Moore) is another. In both, the Gospel Message is CLEARLY presented.

    I would love to know what you mean and maybe it will help me understand what being separate from the world means.

    Now you know.

    In Jesus,
    - Jeff H

  9. About 5-6 months ago now my wife and I pulled our TV out of the wall – one of the best things we have ever done!

  10. Same thing in our home – no TV at all. We do have a few movies (Christian) and very few documentaries we watch on the rare occasion. Our family loves to read and getting rid of the one-eyed monster from a central place in the home was a great spiritual advantage.

    As for sports, nope to that as well. Don’t miss watching football games that promote alcohol, sex and promiscuity to the watcher! Don’t miss having to explain to my young girls that it is not ok for them to wear revealing clothes, but it is ok for daddy to watch half-dressed women on the screen (and that would also include many of the women on the game shows including the hostesses).

    I understand that the standard I set cannot be anybody else’s standards. However, that is the wrong way to look at this dilemma facing the home. The truth hits closer to home – do my standards conform to God’s standards? If they do, then it should be acceptable to all true believers. If they do not, then I should be worried about why I am not confessing my sins before the Holy Righteous God of heaven!

  11. Thanks for all the advise. I just don’t think not watching any movies at all is the answer.

    I do believe that some movies are ok in light of scripture you just have to make sure to use scripture as you base.

    Here are a few examples – Its a wonderful life, Up, The 10 Commandments, Bambi and even Finding Nemo.

    Honestly everyone I don’t see what’s wrong with watching things like these.

    Matthew

  12. — DEAR MATTHEW JOHNSTON,

    1). You said:

    Did it effect me in any way? No. Did it have a detrimental effect on my wife and her spirituality? No.

    Tell me, if you began getting X-rays once a month for the next 15 years, could you say after each of the first few times that it didn’t affect you in any way? Sure.

    But will you be able to say that after 15 years of monthly X-rays? You know at that time you won’t be able to. How much can we feed at the world’s table of entertainment without being affected? How much leaven is acceptable?

    2). And one other thing to consider: if media did not have a strong influence over shaping the way we think, then why are billions of dollars spent every year on advertising? Think about it.

    — DEAR MATTHEW BIRCH,

    1). The “one foot in the church and the other foot in the world (namely its entertainment)” comment was self-explanatory, especially for those who have been visiting DefCon for a while now. But for those who are fairly new (perhaps yourself), let me clarify.

    We are in the world, but we are not supposed to be of it. No one is saying that you can’t work for a non-Christian employer, however, if that non-Christian employer is a strip club owner and you’re the bouncer, do you not think you’ve crossed the line?

    Reason, wisdom, and common sense has to be employed here. We can’t avoid the world in our everyday life, and we’re not expected to (2 Corinthians 5:9). However, that does not mean we should go out of our way to expose ourselves to the entertainment and the “wisdom” of the world that is antithetical to our faith.

    2). My family has a TV for select DVDs of a Christian nature. Theses DVDs are closely scrutinized and many have not passed the test. (It wasn’t too long ago that my wife got the old Little House on the Prairie series for the kids, thinking they were “good” and “clean.” They didn’t last long. You’d be surprised at the amount of God-dishonoring material in that show.)

    We are staring our fourth year of no cable or dish and we haven’t regretted it one iota. There’s nothing good that can come out of being attached by the umbilical cord to the moral sewage that flushes into our homes when that thing is permitted to broadcast its filth into our home, our sanctuary. And there’s nothing of such value to be found in the sludge to justify exposing my children to images, sounds, thoughts, ideas, and worldviews they should never be exposed to at their age.

    I highly, highly recommend a sermon on the topic of television given by pastor Tim Conway that I posted in March 0f 2008 entitled The Stranger. You can download it if you go to this post.

    3). You mention movies that are ok

    in light of scripture you just have to make sure to use scripture as you base

    I agree, Scripture should always be our base. However, it sounds as if your base is not wholly in Scripture or you are missing some obvious problems. Take the “worldly wisdom” of Avatar for example as spelled out by Doug Phillips in this post. Do you not see a problem with viewing a movie whose themes and “doctrines” are that which Phillips pointed out?

    Let me take you to task on another example. One that you provided: Finding Nemo. Here is another case of either willful refusal to see the problem, or a lack of depth in biblical understanding to be able to spot the problem.

    In Finding Nemo, there are several scenes that I find objectionable, and even my wife had written about them a while back. When reviewing these, don’t judge them in the light of the world’s standards, or even your own. Judge them by God’s standards.

    A). POTTY HUMOR:
    The little Octopus gets scared and emits ink, then says, “Ah, you guys made me ink.”

    B). OMG?
    One little fish hollers out “Oh my gosh!” I don’t know about you, but substituting “gosh” for “God” is not acceptable in our home.

    B). REBELLION / DEFIANCE OF PARENTAL AUTHORITY:
    Nemo tells his father he hates him and then defies his father’s instructions when he swims out to the boat. When Nemo’s father orders him not to touch the boat, Nemo–full of anger–defies him again.

    C). PROFANITY:
    During the dirty fish tank scene, one of the fish starts to eat the buildup that has accumulated and another tells him, “That is disgusting, you’re eating your own…” when he’s interrupted by the starfish saying “shhhh!” The point was well taken and is just another example of an unacceptable part of this ‘kids’ movie.

    4). These were just a few examples, and may seem like not that big of a deal to you. But for those who are striving for holiness and purity (especially in our homes and with our children), no compromise is acceptable.

    5). I do not sit here in condemnation of you. But one of the things we do on DefCon (or at least I hope we do) is encourage fellow Christians to live holy lives, separate from the world.

    If the world influences us in our dress, our speech, or even what we allow to entertain us, then who is really in charge, and whose influence is ultimately in control of us, God’s or the culture’s?

    Giving up things our flesh enjoys is all part of “taking up our crosses and following Christ.” It’s never easy, and that’s why we’re told to “count the cost.”

    We hope that in some way those of us on DefCon can encourage, exhort, and even rebuke each other in areas where we need it for our own good. None of us are perfect and all of us continue to grow in sanctification daily. We should not be the same person we were a year ago, or will be a year from now.

    6). In closing, I want you to ask yourself two things:
    A). Would I watch this movie or that TV show if Jesus Christ were sitting right next to me?
    B). When a brother brings up a subject that hits a little close to home (e.g. this post) is your reaction one of seeking the truth to ultimately conform to Chirst, or is your reaction one to justify yourself?

    I hope I’ve been of help and encouragement.

    Sincerely
    - The Pilgrim

    Better is open rebuke than love that is concealed. Faithful are the wounds of a friend, but deceitful are the kisses of an enemy. - Proverbs 27:5-6

  13. Pilgrim

    Thanks for your thoughts.

    No my action is not to justify myself I am honestly wrestling through these things and trying to hear godly men’s opinions.

    I didn’t watch Avitar so I wasn’t defending it, I was on the other hand wondering what you guys thought about the movies I suggested and I now have your answer.

    Please pray for me that I will do the right thing concerning entertainment.

    One more thing

    So your point isn’t that all movies are bad just be very cautious with the things you watch right?

    Matthew

  14. One other note of importance here. Walt Disney. A company that the world fawns over as being family friendly and producers of all that is good, wholesome and noble. Nothing could be farther from the truth. They have from the beginning been purveyors of anti-Christ doctrines of devils going all the way back to “innocent” Mickey Mouse. For example, look into the Sorcerer’s Apprentice.

    I encourage all Christians to do some research into Disney and you will find it is a corporation in no way worthy of our financial support. Nor are its movies in any way appropriate for our children. Movies that are loaded with much filth both present before our eyes, and much that is subliminal that I will not openly write about here. And themes that are wicked – just one example – Beauty and the Beast. Stop and think about this for a minute and reflect on what the Bible says about men and/or woman lying with beasts. Sickening!

    To learn more please listen to this sermon that can jump start your research. I also encourage you to listen to the speaker’s other messages on entertainment, sports and tv. They are excellent and something you will not hear in many churches.

    I agree 100% with the casting out of the TV into the dung hill. I did it likewise many years ago and have never looked back.

  15. This has given me much food for thought. Even so-called “Christian” entertainment is not always good.

    For me, it’s not movies that are the struggle (though my husband enjoys many movies); for me it’s books and music.

    Please pray for me. One of my former favourite bands is very musically talented, but in reading many interviews with them over the past couple of months, I’ve been made aware that they look up to people such as Thomas Murton, Ann Lammott (spelling???), etc. I know i need to get rid of their music, but what form should that take?

    Not meaning to highjack the thread… sorry if I did.

    Dee

  16. Thank you Pilgrim for this. And it is true that even so called “Christian” entertainment is not always good, as stated above.
    As we pray to God to show us those things in our lives that are not pleasing to Him and those things that may not be obvious to us, He will. TV was not something I “had to give up.” Christ took it from me as He gave me a better desire. It was easy to do this– to Him be the glory–even thought I watched a lot of TV and movies. I haven’t done so for 3 years now. We do still have a TV, but no cable or satellite. I only watch the local news a few times a week.
    Even the seemingly innocent G movies are problematic. We rented one for our 11 year old son about a dog–kind of like a “Benji” type movie where the dog gets a home, etc. I was heartbroken, as I watch this with my son, to see that the main family in the movie had problems such as verbal child abuse, physical spousal abuse (not shown but inferred), separation and divorce. The end of the movie was a scene at the police dept. where the wife, with a black eye on her face, finally pressed charges against her husband and they dragged him off to jail. All that from an “innocent” movie about a dog. There was NO information about the family issues on the DVD, or I would not have selected it. Should I pay money to introdu ce my son to that ???
    Pray and ask Him to reveal what is not pleasing to Him. Trust Him to place His desires into your heart. Have faith that He will do it.

  17. I read a comment from someone on another blog a few years ago that still resonates with me today. It went like this:

    When I got saved I threw out all my secular music. When I really got saved I threw out all my Christian music.

    Obviously he meant the so-called Christian music. This was a pretty profound statement and the subject “music” can be substituted with “entertainment” and the point is still (if not more) apropos.

    Is all “entertainment” bad? It all depends on the content of the entertainment and the reason behind one’s desire to be entertained by it, I suppose.

    But even the “innocent” stuff is not acceptable by God’s standards. And it’s by His standards that true Christians should measure themselves (and their entertainment) by, not by the world’s standards or even their own hearts. So this makes finding quality entertainment difficult.

    Then the next question you must ask yourself is whether or not you should be seeking to be entertained. This opens a whole new can of worms.

    I strongly recommend this short 2 minute video that I posted back in August. I believe it may greatly help some of you who are struggling with this issue of what is acceptable or not for Christians in the realm of entertainment.

    - The Pilgrim

  18. Is worldly entertainment really harmful? This past Sunday an 11 year old boy boasted of watching ‘Twilight’. When I spoke out against this evil force, he whispered to his cousin, ‘we can still watch it, we just won’t tell her!’{btw, he and his parents say he’s saved because he ‘prayed the sinner’s prayer’-which is another whole topic in itself!}

    I gave him Romans 12:2, which I think is such a key passage for situations like this. ‘Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God’. What we feed our minds can/does hinder spiritual growth as well as the ability to comprehend God’s will. Too much garbage invites ‘gray area’ theology. Also, what we feed our minds can/does invite demonic/paranormal activity. If you truly belong to Christ, you will not watch movies with demonic/paranormal influences/overtones; nor will you subject your children to them. It really is that black and white!

  19. I appreciate all of Douglas Phillips’ thoughts on this movie except this one:

    “3.A primary mission of Hollywood pantheism is to destroy the Dominion Mandate, the doctrine of Creation and the Creator/creature distinctive detailed in the Bible.”

    I know this isn’t the point of this thread, but this one caused the ‘red-flag’ to fly.

    If what he means by the ‘Dominion Mandate’ is the same thing as Dominionism, then not only do we Christians need to be discerning about our entertainment, but also what Christian ministries stand for.

    Never let your guard down!

  20. Pilgrim,

    re: your questions –

    I agree with you that we must be mindful of what we set before our eyes and ears. I endeavour to do this – in saying that I am sure watching a film that conatins immorality/adultery etc is something we should not do.

    I wont enter into a debate with you but I will thank you for your exhortations – i’ve taken them onboard.

  21. Thanks for the message. As human in flesh I admit I do like to watch fantacies and I did watch Avatar. Obviously the special effects are appealing and I did have struggle while watching the movie and my wife had headache while watching. the movie is very new age and it will promote the new age religion to the young people. I have TVs at home but i use it to watch news 90% of the time, the rest are mainly documentories. I did have a thought of getting rid of the TVs but I do not think my wife will allow that. My reason/excuse of watching Tvs or movies in disguise like Avatar (those claimed to be clean movies) is that though we are to belong to the world, we still need to know what is in the world. For the extreme violence and pronographic movies, most christians will agree that we have to avoid. But for movies like Avatar, we all know that a lot of our brothers and sisters are going to watch. Although problems are suspected in these movies, if we do not watch them beforehand as leaders of the church, how can we warn people with reasons. I agree the whole entertainment industry is polluted that we should aviod but then fact is most people are influencedby it. Rather than avoiding all ourselves, I think we should undertsand what’s happening and warn the innocent who will be influenced.
    So rather than avoiding all worldly movies, as leaders or teachers in the church, I think we can be critics of those so called OK popular movies and give guidance and warning to the members. And I always pray for God’s protection and discernment before I watch those movies.

  22. Dear Yvonne:

    Rest assured. What Doug Phillips was referring to was not Dominionism (setting up God’s Kingdom here on earth by civil, legislative, and political means). What he is referring to is the Dominion Mandate which is the command from God to “be fruitful and multiply.”

    I can see how the two terms can easily be confused. :o)

    Dear Matthew Johnston:

    I will leave you (and others) with the following verses to deeply and prayerfully consider when selecting your entertainment:

    Do not love the world nor the things in the world If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world. The world is passing away, and also its lusts; but the one who does the will of God lives forever. - 1 John 2:15-17

    instructing us to deny ungodliness and worldly desires and to live sensibly, righteously and godly in the present age,
    - Titus 2:12

    Pure and undefiled religion)in the sight of our God and Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained by the world. - James 1:27

    You adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. - James 4:4

    Selah,
    - The Pilgrim

  23. There are more other things that we are not to conform to the world. How much the average schools teach nowadays are biblical? Can we stop our kids going to school? Is the American govenment doing things that are biblical? The president shakes hands with Dalai Lama? Stop to be an american? We are in the world but we have to not loving it. Daniel served the idol worship Babylonian king as well. And Jesus did not run away from the Pharisees and the priests though they had a lot of wrong teachings. We are not to avoid everything but we need to know what is truth, what is good and what is the purposes of us in whatever situation. Be aware and alert all the time for the bad influence and to warn others.

  24. Pilgrim,

    I truly hope you are right about Phillip’s understanding of the ‘dominion mandate’. My family has benefitted from his ministry’s products for many years and will most likely continue to support him. However, I have been to hear him speak and came away with the impression that his understanding of the ‘dominion mandate’ is more than just ‘be fruitful and multiply’.

    Here’s a link to an excellent article written about the ‘Dominion Mandate and the Christian Reconstruction Movement’ by Bob DeWaay:

    http://cicministry.org/scholarly/sch001.htm

    Blessings!

  25. Yvonne:

    The next time you visit Vision forum, order the CD from William Einwechter entitled Children and the Dominion Mandate. It’s a good message and will clear up the confusion. You can order this sermon from Vision Forum by clicking here.

    - The Pilgrim

    P.S. You may also be interested in my previous post entitled Has the Religious Right Lost Its Voice in American Politics?

  26. Pilgrim,

    Thanks for the information on the Einwechter cd. I listened to a bit of it at a different site that was offering it for sale. I’ll consider it next time I order from Vision Forum.

    As for your previous post, I couldn’t agree more! Thanks for linking to it!

    I believe the lines are getting so blurred these days that it is difficult to discern which ministries have slipped away and which are holding on to the Truth.

    This blog is a blessing to me. Thank you for your ministry!

    God bless!
    Yvonne

  27. I think I wasn’t doing it right. I enjoyed watching the film and its story, I fantasised about how missionaries would fare in there, how important it is to bring the gospel and not “civilisation” that many of our forebears tried to do with the American Indians, on whom the Navi are MOST CLEARLY based.

    I don’t disagree with the points made, but then if I am not prepared to be confronted with (and resisting) Hollywood’s (and let’s be true here, the world’s) world view or values, then I’d never see another film.

    Oh.
    Oh, I get it.
    That’s your point.

  28. Thanks Doug, now I don’t even have a consideration of desire to see it.

    If a Christian can watch that and not have the same thoughts you did, it means he is dull and lulled to sleep by the world.

    We are not to be of the world. We are not to look at fantasy as acceptable when it promotes evil and opposes God and good

    We are commanded to think on things pure, lovely and of a good report, not on the evil tings.

    So to violate this and take pleasure in those who do them is sin.
    Fantasy or not, we should not be entertained by evil.

    We should be disgusted by it and hate sin because it opposes God. As David prays against his enemies in the flesh as a type of sin that wars against and opposes God.

    Sanctification means cut away from the world. If we are seeking 1st the kingdom of heaven, we will not love the things in this world, esp those that oppose God and pervert His ways. We can not take pleasure in one who would kill our wife or children how could we pleasure in one who killed Christ, sin! Do not be deceived by false teachers of so called christianity, God is clear, 1 John 3:6-8
    6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.
    7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. NKJV

  29. Wellthmaker said: We are commanded to think on things pure, lovely and of a good report, not on the evil tings.

    So to violate this and take pleasure in those who do them is sin.
    Fantasy or not, we should not be entertained by evil.

    You are spot on sir and your post is very refreshing. Blessings to you.

  30. I thought I would throw in my two cents worth from my perspective. My children are in foster care right now as my wife and I are fighting the gov’t to have the right to be called their parents. They are in a secular home, with secular morals (if there’s such a thing). My dear children who are 5, 4 and 2 respectively have soaked up so much filth and garbage in the name of entertainment it makes us cry for their very souls at night. We tried so very hard to protect them from this stuff that will sully them, but now it’s open season for these innocent and undefiled souls. They have watched Spiderman, X-men, The Incredibles, Finding Nemo and Wally, just to name a few. They have talked about how cool wrestling is, and that their favorite music is Rock and Roll! They are babysat by a twenty year old rock musician who has taught them to play the drums and Rock Star Hero. My son came to me one time in a visit crying because his skipping rope hit him in the neck and didn’t want his head to be lopped off. My boys have an unnatural interest in nudity and want to pull their mother’s top down at every opportunity. I caught my oldest son grab his baby sister around the neck in anger one time because she got in the way. Any you out there have the audacity to tell me that the media and entertainment of the world is harmless and safe??? There is one place for this junk and that’s the garbage. My wife and I have thrown more music, movies and books out than we want to admit to. Why? Because if they aren’t good enough for Jesus, they aren’t good enough for us. Are the movies you watch and the music you listen to glorifying to God? If not, then get rid of them. Every second of every day, opportunities to reach out to the lost come your way. Are you going to the movie theatre to witness? Probably not. Afterall, you would feel somewhat foolish telling a person next to you about his sin, when you are watching the very same sex scene. Hypocrites! Jesus will judge you for your compromise in the name of enjoyment and entertainment. He is taking notes, and you will stand before Him one day soon and give account.
    As for my children? We cannot control what they see, all we can do is to trust God because he is in control and pulling the switches of this and He will do as He pleases for His purposes and glory. If my children end up as casualties of this wicked and corrupt governmental system, then so be it. God will have glory no matter who or what has to suffer, because in the end He will be glorified!

  31. revivalandreformation,

    You said your children are in foster care. Was that sarcasm, meaning the tv was their foster carer, or are they factually in foster care?

    It’s tragic in both cases. But I don’t think by what you have said that you would let the tv foster them.

    Just wanted things to be clear.

    Thanks.

  32. Hi Doreen,

    It was medical negligence that led to a medical misdiagnosis. The Child Welfare Dept.(MCFD here in BC, Canada), has assumed it was abuse. There has been cover-up, lies and deception on their behalf and we are now going on three years in this situation, with no end in sight. We have been to court, but half way through the available days were used up and now we just sit…waiting.

    My children are in “care” where they have been abused, injured, and subjected to all the horrors that we as parents pleadged to keep them from. Now we are powerless to do anything to keep them safe.

    God has worked on us like there’s no tomorrow. He has impressed me to look at this what we are going through as an opportunity, not a disaster. We are not victims as everyone would think. Yes it is hard, terribly hard, exhausting from the stress and heart breaking to see the bond between us and our children slowly eroding. The foster family was promised our children when the MCFD won their case against us. Can you imagine what that does to our hearts to hear this? This was about three months before we even got into court. But we have learned forgiveness like no other. We have learned to be patient. We have learned that this isn’t about us, but about God and His rightful glory. We are all here on earth for His glory and His glory alone. When I hear others defend their right to entertainment, I get upset because that means your priorities are messed up. Naturally speaking, entertainment is good, but we are here on earth to be ambassadors and witnesses for Christ. This job is never ending. Then when I hear of Christians so flippant in their conviction and what they deem “okay” to watch, listen to, etc., it tells me that they really don’t care about the Great Commission, for if they did, they would be on the knees in tears, broken and submitted before God letting Him guide, control and move in His way, not their’s or the world’s for that matter. If you want to read the full story, we have a Pastor who was the one who actually married us nine years ago, writing on our behalf. Wonderful man and he has taken up the charge to let the world know what is going on behind the scenes because most people don’t know how bad it actually is. What we could tell you, would blow your socks off and reduce you to tears.

    http://ronunruhgps.blogspot.com/2009/10/paul-and-zabeth-bayne-part-one-alarming.html

    The authors of Def.Con. are presently working on a posting for us, that tells our story as well. Not sure when they will be posting it, but it should be out soon. Please pray for us and our children. For us, so we remain patient and submissive always sensitive to His leading and opportunities to reach out for Jesus and for our children that they are protected from the lies and poison of the home they are in. From the influences of the world that constantly bombard them daily. And pray that God preserves the bond between us. Thank you for your concern,

    Paul Bayne@ Revivalandreformation

  33. Hello RandR
    Haven’t read everything yet, but I will. If I can bear it.

    It is so heartbreaking to just read what I have read.

    There is much I would like to say. But, God knows.

    Will pray. Take care. God bless.

  34. if you have a heart, you will do one of two things: be broken and cry like you’ve never cried before (especially if you’re a mom), or deny everything and act like it really isn’t happening and there must be another side to the story. trust me, most of our friends and church family disowned us. Most people would rather believe a lie than the truth. We have learned to be hard, wise, and streetsmart, because we have had our friends turn their backs on us, every kook in the world coming out of the woodwork to do their best to take us for a ride with false promises, and the enemy using every weapon in his arsenal to hurt us and tear us to pieces. This what we are going through, I affectionately call bootcamp, and if I am right, I hate to see the war we are being prepared for.

  35. Regarding the “evil and worldliness” of the Disney company…
    Beauty and the Beast:
    http://www.pluggedin.com/FamilyRoom/MovieNights.aspx
    (from Focus on the Family)
    I think B&tB has more moral characteristics than a lot of other movies. She looks on the inward beauty (as God does in 1st Samuel) instead of outward appearance. If that had been the case, she would have married Gaston without batting an eyelash. It’s a wonderful story of selfless love. Belle sacrifices her own freedom and happiness to free her father. The Beast (whose name is Adam) lets Belle go to her ill father, even though he wants nothing more then to be with her because he loves her.

    Finding Nemo: Every story needs a conflict. Yes, he doesn’t respect his father in the start of the movie, but he grows and realizes he’s wrong, and his dad forgives him.
    Isn’t that kind of like a Christian walk sometimes. There are times when we could hate God. Does he turn his back on us??? No, he just goes looking for us and hope we find our way back to him. Just like Nemo and his dad.

    Yes, we need to not be OF the world, but we do live IN it. We can’t live under a rock and avoid everything thrown at us. We wouldn’t be effective Christians.

  36. revivalandreformation,

    My heart goes out to you and your wife. I will definitely be in prayer with you over your situation. Praise the Lord for the grace He has given you during this time and may you continue to serve Him no matter what happens! Thanks for sharing!

  37. Jos 23:6-7 Be ye therefore very courageous to keep and to do all that is written in the book of the law of Moses, that ye turn not aside therefrom to the right hand or to the left;
    That ye come not among these nations, these that remain among you; neither make mention of the name of their gods, nor cause to swear by them, neither serve them, nor bow yourselves unto them:

    I think that says all God sees in the shamanism/ world-worship of Avatar. Incidentally, the original Avatar was Krishna, the incarnation of the Hindu god Vishnu.

    and i almost forgot: he is commonly depicted with a blueish skin tone.

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