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Here’s a shocker: The false gospel of John Crowder, Benjamin Dunn, and Sloshfest originated from an LSD drug-induced experience.

When you read a quote like this . . .

Heaven is going to be wild. God will show up and be the life of the party. We want to see fun coming back into the Church.

. . . you know the blasphemous duo of Crowder and Dunn isn’t far behind.

The 38-year-old [Sloshfest organizer David Vaughan] from nearby Pontypool is a former drug-user who makes no apologies for painting God as a party animal who wants to win over youngsters with supernatural highs. Bizarrely, David greets me at the door wearing a monk outfit – he is joined by dozens of dancing pirates, an Abraham Lincoln, a unicorn, winged fairy and a court jester draped in Christmas lights.

The Sun recently ran an article on the demonic revelry known as Sloshfest entitled The Ravers Who Get High on God in which the sons of Hell, Crowder and Dunn, were in attendance.

And as with any gathering of these folks, demonic activity (e.g. possession) is present:

A middle-aged woman calling herself Pinky Pirate dashes to the front and grabs a microphone. The crowd screams with delight as she shakes uncontrollably and bellows: “It is such a wild fire. It is a fierce wild fire. It is untamable and undomesticated.” . . . Amid the chaos a woman dressed as a pirate queen crawls past muttering. Strangely, despite no sign of alcohol or drugs being consumed, she and many other worshippers look spaced out, with red, puffy eyes and a vacant stare. Standing up, she shakes my hand and slurs: “I’m Mrs Jesus. I love my husband” (Emphasis mine)

This article also reveals how John Crowder came to be the ravenous wolf he is today:

Before addressing the lively Welsh crowd, the 6ft 5in David Blaine lookalike tells me he became a Christian after a Godly experience on LSD. John, 33, from California, says: “I was a party guy at college and became an alcoholic within the first year, sometimes downing up to 36 beers in a single day. I also did recreational drugs and during an LSD trip in a bar I had a profound encounter with God. I knew that if I went to sleep that night without changing my ways, I would surely die. When I sobered up I stopped doing drugs and became devoted to Jesus.  Now I want people to see that church isn’t dour and dreary. It is an awareness of the mystical, fun and joyful nature of God.”

We used to identify people who had mystical experiences with “god” during a drug induced high (predominant in the 1960s) as burned out hippies. Now they sell books and their followers call them “Christian.”

Finally, the article wraps up with this telling quote:
Outside, a curious passer-by peers through a steamed-up window. Chuckling, he shakes his head and says: “Looks like one hell of a party.”
And so the world passes by shaking their head at yet another false image of Christianity and all they see is a group of unregenerated sinners who’ve created a “party-god” who demands little and expects nothing while winking and nodding  at their partying on the broad road to Hell with “Jesus” on their lips.

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Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not be partakers with them; for you were formerly darkness, but now you are Light in the Lord; walk as children of Light (for the fruit of the Light consists in all goodness and righteousness and truth),trying to learn what is pleasing to the Lord. - Ephesians 5:6-10

17 comments on “Here’s a shocker: The false gospel of John Crowder, Benjamin Dunn, and Sloshfest originated from an LSD drug-induced experience.

  1. “And so the world passes by shaking their head at yet another false image of Christianity and all they see is a group of unregenerated sinners who’ve created a “party-god” who demands little and expects nothing while winking and nodding at their partying on the broad road to Hell with “Jesus” on their lips. “

    Hammer, meet nail.

    That sums up the sad reality of the deceived and deceiving people involved in such nonsense. May God have mercy on them and keep us from evil.

  2. Sounds like the hippie preacher Lonnie Frisbee…. who fould God on an LSD trip, and we know how he ended up…. dead from AIDS. John Calvin and John Wesley are rolling over in their graves…. An insult to a holy God!

    Good article…. thanks!

  3. Somebody get Parker & Stone on the horn — this belongs on South Park!

    Bizarrely, David greets me at the door wearing a monk outfit – he is joined by dozens of dancing pirates, an Abraham Lincoln, a unicorn, winged fairy and a court jester draped in Christmas lights.

    And they’d say FurCon was weird, with 300 fursuiters in mascot costumes. At least FurCon made no pretentions about being a church service.

    A middle-aged woman calling herself Pinky Pirate dashes to the front and grabs a microphone…

    “PINKY PIRATE”? That sounds like a My Little Pony name!

    “I’m Mrs Jesus. I love my husband”

    And you are the reason I warn people away from Christian Dating Services…

    Before Tatted Todd and his pet Angel Emma started their sideshow in Lakeland, Tokin-the-Ghost Crowder was at the top of the list of “Crazy Preachers”. I am not surprised to learn his theology came by way of Lysergic Acid — he must never have come down off his acid trip. And it looks like he got a bad batch on top of everything.

    Never point the finger at “DEMONS!” when hallucinogenic drugs will do.

  4. Just a thought – since when do Christians regard the opinion of the world as valuable? When did Jesus do this? The ending of your article is shocking, even more so if you use it to strengthen your case..

    Grace, Love and Rest in Christ 2u, Muddy Streams.

  5. since when do Christians regard the opinion of the world as valuable?

    1st Timothy 3:2-7–A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach…not a novice, lest being puffed up with pride he fall into the same condemnation as the devil. Moreover he must have a good testimony among those who are outside, lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

    Philippians 2:14-15–Do all things without complaining and disputing, that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world.

    Matthew 5:16–“Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven.”

  6. “@fourpointer”

    I think you missed me there…

    The scriptures you quote rather show our “not so obvious/external” attitude towards Father – and ONLY then, will these fruit be visible in our life.

    If our primary focus is to fulfill these scriptures, we are doing life the wrong way round…and will consequently ‘work’ our selfs to death, whilst missing God (intimate relationship with: Father, Christ & HS) and thinking our selfs wrongly, righteous.

  7. TWF,

    Actually, what these Scriptures show us is that our lives should be so different from the world that those who see us can know, without a doubt, that we belong to Christ. Which is what Paul meant when he told Timothy that he must “have a good testimony to those who are outside”–that is, an overseer must have credibility even among those who do not believe. Because, if even the unbelieving person respects him, then he is a man whose life is a witness for Christ.

    And this is the key: if we are saved, then we will live a life whose main goal is to bring glory to God in the midst of a sin-filled world. We FIRST glorify God, and walk in righteousness and holiness, and shun the vulgar and profane things of this world. The result of this will be that, as Jesus said, many will see our good works and glorify our Father in Heaven.

    You are right, our FIRST goal should not be to worry about what the world thinks of our following and obeying Christ. However, we must be careful not to embrace the sinful things of this world, because if we do we will give those who see us the idea that a Christian can continue in sin, and approve of sin, and that we we approve of those who are opposed to God.

  8. i would just like to know for arguments sake, what exactly did they do wrong. I mean im not pro or against but there is order and justice in all that God is. So i believe some kind of accusation is due in order for these men to know their sin or wrong doing. It would help me to clear it up too. Otherwise i see no orgies or satanic rituals taking place. I must know what you condemn them for.

  9. Greetings Gilly, and thanks for the comment.

    You asked, “i would just like to know for arguments sake, what exactly did they do wrong.”

    Forgive me for sounding sarcastic, but did you not read this post? Did you not read the article I linked to in this post?

    John Crowder is quoted in this article as saying:

    “I was a party guy at college and became an alcoholic within the first year, sometimes downing up to 36 beers in a single day. I also did recreational drugs and during an LSD trip in a bar I had a profound encounter with God. I knew that if I went to sleep that night without changing my ways, I would surely die. When I sobered up I stopped doing drugs and became devoted to Jesus. Now I want people to see that church isn’t dour and dreary. It is an awareness of the mystical, fun and joyful nature of God.”


    Again, not trying to sound sarcastic, but what part of that quote didn’t bother you?

    For more on Crowder and Dunn, please see the following posts:
    1). The new breed of blasphemous preachers
    2). A disciple of the new breed of blasphemous preachers
    3). The victims of the new breed of blasphemous preachers
    4). The fruit of John Crowder and Benjamin Dunn

    5). Jacked up on who?

    If you still fail to see what’s wrong with Crowder and Dunn after perusing those posts, then there’s nothing I could possibly say to you in this combox that will convince you otherwise.

    Sincerely.
    – Pilgrim

  10. @ Pilgrim : You still havn’t answered the question raised by Gilly.
    Which bit is supposed to worry us?
    OK so the guy found the Lord when on an LSD trip, does this disqualify him.
    I am pretty sure that My God is bigger than LSD and can and does meet people where they are at.
    Please explain.

  11. Kameal,

    One must have a clear mind in order to comprehend the Gospel. Being under the influence of a mind altering drug negates comprehension.
    The bigness of God has nothing to do with it; His word does not penetrate a mind under the hallucinating influence of drugs.

  12. Lyn

    Quote

    “His word does not penetrate a mind under the hallucinating influence of drugs.”

    And that is where in scripture?
    With all due respect – This is total rubish, you are saying that “His word” is weak and unpowerful when compared to the drug created by man? My God is awesome, powerful and in full control. Drugs are not from God and are therefore much less powerful.
    No drink or drugs influence will stop my Saviour from speaking to people when He desires and knowning my place, I am not here to tell The Lord who and when he can and cannot speak to people.
    As an evangelist I have worked for years in the area of addiction and many of my conversations have started when someone is under the influence of alcohol or hard drugs. By the power of the Holy Ghost these people can be instantly sobered and are more than capable of very coherant conversation.
    To be honest, most of these internet forums are much less coherant :-)

  13. Kameal–yes!!! Thank you!!! Jesus constantly offended people by painting out of the box. I’m not necessarily saying everything they do is right on; I am not generally comfortable with things this wild, but God is. Sometimes He needs to make us uncomfortable. God is GRACE. And in heaven, we shall see… Not to mention the fruit. I would rather live a powerful life that brings people to the Kingdom, than a watchdog life that is insipid because of its lack of true relationship. Bring on the new mystics!

  14. I never said the word of God is not powerful {Romans 1:16}, you have misconstrued my comment. In order to comprehend truth, the mind must be free of a drug induced mind altered state. How can a mind that is superficially altered by a stimulant reason or dissect truth? Can you make right choices or comprehend rightly when you are drunk or high? Can you distinguish right from wrong or be convicted of sin if your mind is controlled by a substance? Have you ever spoken to someone who is high or drunk? They are giddy, or angry. The substance they have abused causes them to act differently than normal. Look at Proverbs 20:1, “Pro 20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink a brawler, And whoever is intoxicated by it is not wise.” The root word for mocker is ‘layil lêyl layelâh’ and it means ‘a twist {away from light}’. A brawler is one who is ‘loud, in an uproar, troubled, to be in commotion’. What would cause a person to be taken away from light, troubled and violent? Wouldn’t it be a foreign substance that alters the rational thinking?

    This isn’t about man’s drugs being more or less powerful than God, this is about a right understanding of God, His attributes, mainly His holiness, and how He works. God isn’t a magician that causes the mind to momentarily ‘be sober’ to comprehend truth, there are no illustrations in Scripture of such.

    I have seen drunks driving down the highway in the wrong lane, endangering the lives of all in their path; was this a result of a wise decision or was it the result of a mind that was in an altered state and not able to comprehend good from bad or right from wrong?

    Since Scripture condemns drunkenness and sorcery, why would God then turn around and somehow magically ‘un’ alter what man has altered for the sake of comprehension? Where in the Bible do we find the Gospel being preached to those who are drunk or high, and they came to Christ as a result?

    The Bible commands sinners to repent; concerning drugs, we go to Revelation 9:21, ‘and they did not repent of their murders nor of their sorceries nor of their immorality nor of their thefts.’
    Here sorceries comes from the Greek word pharmakeia and is defined by Thayer’s as ‘the use or the administering of drugs; sorcery, magical arts, often found in connection with idolatry and fostered by it’. Go to Revelation 21:8 to find the fate of the drug user, “”But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

    Now please show me from Scripture where God proclaims His truth to those who are under the influence.

  15. Kameal wrote:

    “OK so the guy found the Lord (god) when on an LSD trip, does this disqualify him.”

    (emphasis mine)

    Lyn wrote:

    “One must have a clear mind in order to comprehend the Gospel. Being under the influence of a mind altering drug negates comprehension.”

    Absolutely correct!!

    My question is, what “god” does anyone find while on a drug induced trip of lsd, peyote or dmt? It seems reasonable that if he had found the “only True and Living God,” his theology wouldn’t be as screwed up as it is today!!

  16. wow this is crazy. people go off on such tangents to argue stuff that should never even be argued. IMHO, some of you people need to read your Bible’s before you start spewing your blatantly unbiblical opinions. I’m sorry to come off as rude, but it’s shocking to hear questions like does finding God on drugs disqualify you, and what is really bad about Crowder. Absolutely shocking.

    The guy is such a false prophet it’s not even funny, and he counts on people that form their opinions and convictions without reading and dwelling on the word of God. That’s why He left it for us, because we can’t think on our own, we’re too sinful and depraved.

    Please, read your Bibles. Then you can look at a guy like Crowder and his erroneous ways will jump out at you. And I will refrain from listing all those so somebody else that doesn’t read his/her bible doesn’t make some silly comment in response, because I already feel convicted about this response not being as Christ-like as it should be, but again, how can you NOT be aghast at reading about this guy, and the “gospel” that he’s selling to people?

    And to Kameal, I highly appreciate your evangelistic efforts to those who are dwelling in their sins, but no, you can’t have a Gospel revelation while your drunk or high. And no, I’m not just talking. I know what it’s like to be so blazed that your brain is on overdrive, and when my mind DID turn to God (which it did, praise God), it was only to convict me of my sin in what I was doing, that feeling of duality in trying to have spiritual thoughts while I was high.

  17. I came to the realization that I was a new creation through the cross while on acid, ecstasy, pot, and alcohol. The mighty God of the universe spoke to me and it was the most awesome terrifying thing I have ever experienced. After he spoke I instantly became sober from all the drugs and couldn’t even get high the rest of the night. God is so much bigger then our minds which is where drugs affect us. That was three years ago and I have never gone back. Praise The Lord Jesus Christ for His glory! God bless all you guys on here and just be the Body of Christ.

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