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Coexist.

The following great piece comes from Jake Hunt at WiserTime:

You’ve seen these, right? They make me mad. Why? Because they don’t really mean what they say.

Let’s break it down. We’ll call each worldview by the letter it’s supposed to represent. So:

  • C = Islam
  • O = Pacifism
  • E = “Gender equality” (=the LGBT agenda)
  • X = Judaism
  • I = Wicca / Pagan / Bah’ai
  • S =Taoism / Confucianism
  • T = Christianity

And let’s assume a very broad definition of “coexist”: living together without calling for the destruction of each other. Here are the problems with that:

  • C wants to kill E, X, T, and (by implication) O. If they achieved the world they wanted, I and S would also no longer exist.
  • O doesn’t allow for effective resistance or defeat of C.
  • E stands in direct opposition to C, X, and T, and accuses those who speak against them of hate speech. Also, they’re trying to edge X and T out of public schools in favor of their own agenda. (They’re afraid C will be offended, so they get less trouble.) E is actually very, very intolerant.
  • X’s existence is threatened not only by C but also by O, who invariably supports C over X.
  • I and S are statistically insignificant and are mainly on there to complete the bumper sticker.
  • T is who the bumper sticker is really arguing against, but poses no physical threat to any of the others.

Historically, T has brought about more tolerance– “coexistence” if you will– than any other movement. But the kind of “coexistence” the people who make this sticker envision is one where at least X and T are completely marginalized.

26 comments on “Coexist.

  1. The “coexist” bumper sticker is new version of the ever mindless hippie sticker, “Visualize World Peace” (which was balanced by the wonderfully brilliant “Visualize Whirled Peas”).

    These popular mantras represent the “useful idiots” of the Prince of Darkness, who rules this present world.

    Christians must not be caught up in the maudlin, mindless, fuzzy schemes of the enemy. EVERY thought is to be taken captive.

    Since I’m at work – I must captivate my fingers – and my mind – and start earning my pay :-)

  2. This is a really good piece because it is so true. For a society that is supposed to place so much value on “tolerance”, etc. it always amazes me at how Muslims escape criticism? Even the most staunch liberal that espouses about how distraught he is over inflicted autracities that America is responsible for per various interventions in the Middle East will never go on to state at how appalled he is from the plethora of violent accounts that Muslims administer. It also amazes me at how there is so little sympathy or interest in the Christian persecution that is currently taking place all throughout the world per Christian intolerance.

  3. That is a great little critique of the rank ‘coexist’ notion.

    Thanks for posting it here.

  4. Manfred,

    My first thought was “visualize whirled peas” before reading your comments.

    Ever seen a COEXIST sticker on, say a 1 ton Ford pickup? Didn’t think so.

  5. beyondgrace,

    I dare say I don’t recall if I’ve seen a COEXIST bumper sticker on a large pickup. This being Texas, it’s very possible, as all kind of posers drive large pickup trucks.

    When I moved to Houston, I had a sign in the window of my Ford Escort that said “Pro-Choice: Abort Clinton Mid-Term”. Two of my tires were slashed while I was parked at work.

  6. There’s a car here where I live in Oregon that has that sticker. Haven’t seen who is driving it but wouldn’t surprise me that if in this town it wasn’t a Wiccan (high population of them here) that owns the car.

  7. There are a lot of those stickers out in California/Nevada area! Most of them seem to be located on run-down rattle-trap vehicles that exude more emissions than Al Gore’s brain!

  8. Wade,

    I think that one of the reasons (among many) that the western world hesitates to criticize Islam is that Islam, when compared to Christianity, has an illusion of solidarity; an illusion that makes them appear somehow more substantial or even more authentic than what is seen in ‘Christendom.’ In this age of apostasy, the “tares” (Mt. 13) have not just been sown, no, they have sprung right up, and grow thick and in abundance. There are probably as many tares as there are wheat in this dark time of the Church. The world’s opinion of Christ and His body has always and inevitably been one seeded in hatred. But now, thanks to the availability and facilitative functions of communication technology, the Church is being judged by the world almost solely by its rotten fruit (i.e. Romanism, cults, charismania, etc…), which are ever more public and ever more widespread. The world, blind to the Truth, lumps it all together, calls it Christianity (because every cult and abomination can slap the “Christian” label on the door), and sees nothing but divisions, scandal, nitpickery, slander and all around disunity – things that the One True Church, for the most part, is far removed from. My heart’s cry is that IF ONLY they would see who and what we really are:

    1 Timothy 3:15 – But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, THE PILLAR AND GROUND OF THE TRUTH.

    So the world sees Islam, which, despite the truth inherent to Islam, doesn’t bear the outward appearance of disunity, and, blinded by the glare of Christendom, sees a (dangerous) religion of apparent solidarity. This, I believe, adds to Islam’s authenticity in the eyes of the (western) world, because when compared to what they see in Chrstendom, Islam appears far more… religious. (Religion is something man can grasp at. Faith and grace are something else entirely.) I believe that much of what the world likes to pay attention to is the scandalous and brazen and “news-worthy” elements of that the tares present because it creates a medium from which they can justify and voice their already present enmity with God. If they can’t discern the true from the false, then the glaring, nauseating, dizzying and corrupt facade of the false becomes, at least in their eyes, the fabric of the whole. And honestly, it shouldn’t surprise us.

    In Christ,

    Aaron

  9. None of them really want to co-exist, they all
    want to “rule the world”. The only thing that
    will unite them fully (and I include the “T” in this as
    the “religious”) is their hatred for the true
    Bride of the Lord Jesus Christ.

  10. Hi Aaron,

    I whole heartily agree with everything you said! Thank you so much for this insightful and thought provoking response.

    I have considered before at how the world lumps all sorts of apostasy under the Christian umbrella but I had never thought about how the Muslim religion has been perceived to have more authenticity but after reading your comments I can definitely see it now.

    I also agree with other comments that have been made about how the world hates Christianity but at the same time I keep thinking of a quote that Christopher Hitchens made in an article that discusses what he has learned from debating about religion, etc. Even a staunch atheist like Hitchens respects a man like Doug Wilson;

    “Wilson isn’t one of those evasive Christians who mumble apologetically about how some of the Bible stories are really just “metaphors.” He is willing to maintain very staunchly that Jesus of Nazareth was the Christ and that his sacrifice redeems our state of sin, which in turn is the outcome of our rebellion against God. He doesn’t waffle when asked why God allows so much evil and suffering—of course he “allows” it since it is the inescapable state of rebellious sinners. I much prefer this sincerity to the vague and Python-esque witterings of the interfaith and ecumenical groups who barely respect their own traditions and who look upon faith as just another word for community organizing. ” (I didn’t include the link to this article because I didn’t know if it was appropriate or not…if it is needed, i can provided it)

    We are supposed to be the light of the world and yet at the same time it seems that the apostasy drowns out our light. In order for a man like Hitchens, however, to recognize the light that Doug Wilson is giving off through Christ indicates that the light must be blinding white for him to see it through all of the darkness that he is in.

    In spite of all of the apostasy that is so prevalent in the world, however, it is all serving a purpose. Without apostasies as well as men or vessels like Hitchens, we may become complacent in our understanding of God and loose our zeal to fight for the truth and to carry on “the good fight” by going out into the world to deliver the gospel so that lost men may be saved. As Paul would ask, however ala Romans, should we go on sinning so that God may be glorified more? Surely not! In other words, although men like Hitchens as well as apostasies that are in the world are something we should not encourage so God may be glorified, they are serving a purpose for their accusations forces men of faith to man up and deliver the truth and it is along with all of this that gives God glory; we should never forget, however, that these men are lost and are in dire need of our prayers so that they may be saved. Although they hate God with all of their hearts, they are no different than we were before we were born again with a new nature; a nature that is not at enmity with God; a nature that is not a God hater; a nature that is a result from having a heart of flesh as opposed to a heart of stone. By ministering to men of this caliber (along with any other lost soul) per the Great Commission, we continue to give God glory by being obedient to His will.

    As it stands now, the aforementioned men are vessels of wrath according to Romans and even in that God will receive glory when His justice is rightly distributed according to His divine will that is after His own council. May everything continue to act in accordance to God’s will to give Him glory and may we be pleasing to our Heavenly Father by having a heart for the lost and to minister unto them so that they may be saved.

    God bless you brothers and sisters in Christ!

  11. A friend I grew up with in church and gave me my first 2 Bibles heavily promotes this in Texas now. :( He even had said his grandfather told him, “Every answer to every question is in this book.(Bible). He goes to a church in Austin that is a universal church and he loves Chopra, etc.

  12. Betty,

    That’s a sad comment. Sadder still is the fact that so many churches are wide gates to the broad, easy path with lots of people that leads to destruction rather than narrow gates that lead to the hard path with few people that leads to eternal life.

  13. One of the best and most concise critique of the Coexist movement. Good job. I shared this on my facebook. :)

  14. Well put. I may link to this post.

  15. Great post!! I shared it on Twitter :-)

  16. Missy,

    Thanks for stopping by. We have chosen not to approve your comments because they obviously did not meet the criteria of posting here especially when you start with labeling those who criticize the “coexist” stickers as being incredibly uneducated about both religions of Islam and Christianity.

    You continue by stating that you and your friend worship God in different ways. I am afraid you and your friend have both been duped by the evil one, namely Satan. Allah is NOT the one true God. Islam is ancient derivative of the worship of the moon god which is today represented by the crescent moon. Her god will be pleased when all Muslims find themselves in a Christ-less eternity and NOT in a paradise populated by 70 virgins for the wicked pleasure of the Muslim man.

    You also mention that every person is a child of God and deserves intended rights. For one who claims to be a “devoted Christian” I am surprised that you evidence such a large degree of poor or no Bible knowledge in order to make such a statement. The Bible makes is CLEAR that only those who have placed their faith in Christ Jesus alone by grace through faith alone are recipients of the new birth. This obviously lets out all Muslims, Buddhists, Catholics, Baptists, Protestants, etc. who have not done so. In fact, be warned that those who disagree with the Word of God in this regard will not inherit eternal life either. The Bible is also CLEAR that the wrath of God abides upon all who belong to the evil one, Satan.

    Praying that you will come to a knowledge of the truth found only in the Holy Scriptures, the Word of God,

    The Desert Pastor

  17. Desert Pastor

    Thank you for so cordially replying to my comment. I am a little disappointed that my views were not included, but this is not my decision, obviously, so I am not one to talk. The thing that I would like to talk about, however, is making it CLEAR that I am not accusing people who criticize the “coexist” stickers as “being incredibly uneducated about both religions”. That is not it, at all. I am merely pointing put that those that portray Islam as a viscious killer PORTRAY themselves as being uneducated about the subject.

    I was earnestly offended when you accused me of being duped by Satan. Now, of course, every Christian sins in their lives. That is what makes Jesus dying on the cross for our sakes so wonderful! You bluntly saying that I have been duped by Satan (when all I ever do is try to do my best, just as God wants me to) was outrageous.

    You also stated that, “the Bible is also CLEAR that the wrath of God abides upon all who belong to the evil one, Satan” and I couldn’t help but feel that you were implying that I belong to Satan, which I don’t. I can ASSURE you sir/madam that the Lord is my Shepherd.

    We obviously both have differing views on the Lord’s loving and forgiving nature.

    Goodbye, and my best hopes for you on your journey through life,

    ~Missy~

    P.S. By “criticizes the ‘coexist’ stickers”, I mean “criticizes the ‘coexist’ stickers in the presented fashion”, just in case you misunderstood. People have a right to their own opinions and to criticize, I just don’t like when others are demonized in the process. Remember the Holocaust?

  18. Missy,

    I have permitted this comment as it comes across in a different vein than the previous one did. Let me clarify a few points.

    1. I realize that not all Muslims are killers. However, it is a fact of studied history that Islam is NOT a religion of peace, but one of much bloodshed. The Koran (Quran, Q’ran, etc.) (which I have read several sections of translated copies) openly promotes and exalts shedding the blood of ALL who do not succumb to the ways of Islam.

    2. I stated that you have been duped by Satan because you clearly indicated that you believe that you both worship God – just in different ways. Regardless of what you or your friend wish to believe or have been taught, this does NOT line up with Scripture. Yes, we all sin and forgiveness is available at the foot of the cross for each and every person who places their faith in Jesus Christ alone.

    3. I would also clarify that John 3:36 is Scripture and the wrath of God abiding upon all who belong to Satan is the words of Jesus Christ, not mine. I did not state that you belonged to Satan for I cannot know your heart. However, the Bible tells us that by a person’s fruit they can be known. When you choose to believe that Islam and Christianity is so compatible and worship the same God, you have been blinded by the evil one and are ignorant of the Scriptures.

    Missy, if your faith has been placed in Jesus Christ alone by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8-9), then the wrath of God does NOT abide upon you. However, if your friend chooses to remain in the false pagan religion of Islam, then she will spend an eternity in hell paying the penalty for her sin and the rejection of Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour. There are no other options for this is what the Bible teaches and Jesus Christ Himself was VERY clear on this point.

    If the Lord is your Shepherd, then your responsibility just like all true believers would be to earnestly contend for the faith and to earnestly seek the true conversion of all who will spend an eternity in hell if they die without Christ.

    I hope this clarifies the points I made.

    The Desert Pastor

  19. Wow. I find it so wonderful and thrilling to be in the presence of one who has spoken to Christ. To have heard the worlds from his very mouth.

    Only you haven’t. You can not say for certain what He was saying. What He meant. Just as I cannot. But does someone who has no religion, but harms no one, who only helps others and does good deeds, does that person deserve to “spend an eternity in hell paying the penalty”? Does our wonderful and omnipotent savior take such a narrow view on life? On humanity? The very thing He created? I hope not. Otherwise, He would not be worthy of your faith.

  20. Anna,

    Thank you for stopping by. You asked the question whether a person “who has no religion, but harms no one, who only helps other and does good deeds, does that person deserve to ‘spend an eternity in hell paying the penalty’?”

    First, let me say that all men have religion in some form or another. They either worship the One Who created them, or they worship what they have made, or they worship some facet of their own supposed goodness.

    Second, I have yet to meet a person who has never harmed another. This is true whether in action or by word. The Lord Jesus Christ made it clear that a person who simply hates another is the same as a murderer.

    Third, you mention good deeds. Sadly, there are many on the broad road to destruction who think that they are morally good people; therefore, they believe they merit some favor in the eyes of God. Yet, nothing could be farther from the truth. Isaiah 64:6 says, “But we are all like an unclean thing, And all our righteousnesses are like filthy rags; We all fade as a leaf, And our iniquities, like the wind, Have taken us away.”

    Fourth, as to whether they deserve to spend an eternity in hell, the truth is that all of mankind deserves to be in hell because of our sin nature which we are all born with. We are created beings who have fallen short of the glory of God in EVERY aspect of our lives. We have ALL broken God’s laws; therefore, there is a penalty that must be paid. This penalty was paid by the Lord Jesus Christ for ALL who come to Him in simple faith and place their faith in Him for their salvation, while confessing and repenting of their sins.

    To conclude, read the words of the apostle Paul from Rom. 1:18-25:

    For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man–and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things. Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

    I hope this helps you to understand the truth of God’s Word. Feel free to write if you have any further questions.

    The Desert Pastor

  21. Good answer TDP!

    You mentioned the “broad road to destruction”…as providence would have it I’ve been studying through the Sermon on the Mount recently, with an eye towards the distinctions between those on the broad road, and those on the narrow road. As DefCon’s resident pastor-teacher, would you kindly give our readership [and contributors] a short summary of the various “signposts” to be found on the “broad road” and on the “narrow road” so that the respective “traveler” might pause for a moment on his or her “journey” to read the signs and, by the grace and mercy of God alone, perhaps examine himself or herself to see which road he or she traveling?

    I understand that this is a very tall order, and that a “short summary” may be asking for too much for a single combox, but if so perhaps you’d consider an entire post on the subject? In any case I for one would be eager to glean your thoughts on this most important subject.

    Soli Deo Gloria!
    CD

  22. Coram Deo,

    I would be pleased to provide an appropriate and Biblical perspective on this, but I think I would prefer to do a separate blogpost. Will work on that and try to have something as soon as possible.

    TDP

  23. Anna,

    I am going to paraphrase Max Lucado, “In the Grip of Grace” that covered the very idea of good deeds because I think it sums things up well. This is how I explain it.

    If you are trying to do good deeds to clear the issue with God, I have to respect that. It’s actually a noble idea; you see the issue for what it is. It is your sin and you are trying to correct it. It’s a good plan.

    In theory.

    The problem here is not the plan. It’s not your ambition. It’s not your deeds themselves. Sure, these are related, but they are not the flaw. The insurmountable problem is the standard itself. You can’t meet it. You can do all the good, but it will not meet the standard; you already sinned, and no amount of good works will correct that. They will never undo what happened. You were already under condemnation even before you knew what condemnation was.

  24. You did a pretty good job of dissecting this thing.

    I blogged about the Coexist sticker recently, with a slightly humorous twist: Enough with the Coexist stickers already!

  25. ‘COEXIST’ is another way of say ‘do unto others as you would that they do unto you’, ‘love neighbor as self’, and ‘judge not lest ye be judged by the same judgement.’ Truth is …God tells us to ‘coexist’ peacefully….to ‘turn the other cheek’..to ‘go two miles when asked to go one mile’..and so forth. But in spiritual matters we are to be ‘in the world but not of the world.’ God RULES! …even over the ungodly…especially over the ungodly. Life and ‘death’ is under His authority. He rules over governments, over men, and over evil. Satan can do nothing without permission. God planned and foreknew every event, every belief, every unglodly act…before man was created. I have peace knowing ungodliness is allowed for a season…by God’s permission and purpose. I would GREATLY fear the factions represented in ‘coexist’ were it not true. God is the judge…and ‘in righteousness He doth judge and make war.’ ‘COEXIST’ represent the ‘flesh’ or visible part. ‘We wrestle not against flesh and blood but against spiritual wickedness in high places.’ So ‘fear not.’ These groups are only flesh and blood manifestations of the real problem…Lucifer. And only God is ‘greater.’ Only God is our rock, shield, deliverer, fortress, and strength. He is FAITHFUL! America and the world is coming into days never before seen….turbulent times….all by GOD’S permission…NOT Lucifer’s power. If God CANNOT be TRUSTED…then …and only then…would we have reason to fear the enemy.

    Good post.

  26. The bumper sticker is a simple reminder of a powerful principle in our constitution: freedom to follow any or no religion without fear of persecution. Most of the arguments against it seem to be nothing more than one religious group’s insecurity about being shown side-by-side with other belief systems.

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