Comments on: NewSpring’s new motto: “We love to hear kids cuss!!”

By: ChurchSalt

ChurchSalt — Sat, 19 Dec 2009 03:55:20 +0000

There seems to be a breed of preacher emerging that is proud of their arrogance and rebellion. These wolves are beginning to make very little effort to look like sheep, knowing that they will have a loyal following no matter what they do. Rebels love to pile up teachers who make them feel comfortable in their rebellion, and let them follow wholeheartedly after their sin (unchallenged). Noble, Osteen, Meyers, Warren, Bell, and all the rest are the fulfillment of God promise to turn people over to their sin if they stubbornly refuse to repent. Our prayers should be for the congregation and even the preachers at these Churches, that God might bring them to repentance.

By: Truther

Truther — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:27:10 +0000

In the sermon that Chris Rosebrough critiqued I believe that you were talking about the case where parents were trying to get their little child into the car, and the child was throwing a fit and in a burst of rage said that he “wants to go back to the *%$* church” Perry stated that he loved the childs passion and wanted to hire him on the spot. No mention of the disrespect and dishonoring of the parents, nor the foul mouth. It reminds me of a politician that we all know that said that if you want to know what kind of person I am, just look at the type of people I surround myself with. As in the case of the politician, we have looked at the type of people that he surrounds himself with, and wants to surround himself with (the disobediant, unruly, rebellious child), and it does say a lot about the man.

By: DavidW

DavidW — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:00:26 +0000

fourpointer:
Thank you for posting this. I went to PN’s site as well, and read his description of this instance. His take on it does not coincide with what God has decreed for His church. It provides a good example of how so many of these Emerging preachers work their magic. And I say that in the occult sense. On the outside, they appear to be interested in souls. But after peeling back the skin, the deeper one goes into the rotten fruit, the more we see that the “Jesus” and the “gospel” they preach are entirely different from the true Jesus and true Gospel as defined and described in God’s word.

By: fourpointer

fourpointer — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:36:10 +0000

Hope, If you click on the links I included in my post, you will see that the CHILDREN'S "pastor" is a huge fan of......Eminem. You know, the foul-mouthed rapper that bragged about having his little sister gang-raped. And why is this fellow such a big fan of such a vulgar "entertainer?" [emphases mine]

I LOVE EMINEM’S music too, and many others that say “bad words” in their music! And before many of you FREAK OUT because a Children’s Pastor just said he liked “bad music,” let me explain! I love their music because it is packed with EMOTION and tells a story! They pour their hearts out and (if you listen hard enough) you will be exposed to a reality that most Christians miss...

OK, get ready...here comes the accusation in 3...2...1...[emphases and ALL CAPS mine]

you will be exposed to a reality that most Christians miss because THEY ARE TOO BUSY BEING A "PHARISEE" RATHER THAN BEING A CHRIST FOLLOWER. They tell the story of a broken heart, a broken world, and help me to remember the reality of what it feels like to be lost & without hope! (source)

That's right!! We're Pharisees because we shun the worldly and profane ramblings of vulgar, foul-mouthed "entertainers" who hate God. One thing this "pastor" fails to mention about Eminem's songs is this--there is no mention of repentance, and no sorrow over the life he has chosen. But that is what a friend of the world does--he brings the vulgar things of the world into the worship of God, and joins the worship of God to the worship of self. Just more fruit from the bitter and poisonous Nobletree.

By: The Pilgrim

The Pilgrim — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:32:53 +0000

This is not a one time isolated incident. It's obviously a culture being fostered at NewSpring. If you listen to the podcasts on this link (second half of part 1 and all of part 2), Chris Rosebrough analizyes one of PN's sermons to a large group of pastors who want to be just like him. In this sermon Noble talks about another incident with another kid and another use of profanity and not only did Noble give no indication it was wrong, but the whole gaggle of pastors in the audience thought it was so funny. Fourpointer posted on this culture of profanity in this previous post. - The Pilgrim

By: jude newman

jude newman — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 07:40:04 +0000

Hope, It seems PN was not taken out of context. It appears he was loudly pointing out how he perceives how his people are soooo broadminded, so full of love for the unsaved that a bit of swearing doesn’t faze them. In comparison all other stuffy, bigoted, narrow minded Christians would loudly object to such language being used. PN is always drawing a dividing line between himself and the rest of the Christian world. PN is not trying to be like the world, he is of the world. If he was truly saved he would be truly loving these people and sharing the Gospel with them, not catering to worldly desires. PN is so full of pride, arrogance contempt and hatred for true Christians, he will everything he can to discredit them. He is also a boaster
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Sermon of the week: “What Was Paul Doing on Mars Hill?” by Phil Johnson. I love this sermon and was about to post it to someone else and thought it would be good for any PN fans to listen to.

By: Desert Pastor's wife

Desert Pastor's wife — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 06:11:43 +0000

How sad…but for some reason I’m not surprised!

By: Hope

Hope — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 04:48:58 +0000

To be completely fair, I believe Noble’s excitement over the cussing was taken a bit out of context, if one reads the whole post. I think we’d all agree that it would be wrong (as he explained further on) to expect the world to not act like the world. And it would also be wrong to be overly judgmental and legalistic and throw a worldly, unsaved person out of church simply because they cussed. I think that was his main point.

It’s only when sinners remain comfortable with their sin, instead of repenting, that problems arise.

This is where Noble’s church seems to fail. While it was great they didn’t ostracize or look down on this child with a dirty mouth, truly loving that child would’ve meant rebuking him for his language, and presenting the true gospel to him.

By: Bill

Bill — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:06:59 +0000

Scott,

We don’t know the specifics of what Jesus and the sinners discussed, or whether they came to faith, but I think it’s very safe to say what the general topic was. They talked about exactly what Jesus always talked about, which was the gospel and the Word of God, because the purpose of His coming was to seek and to save that which is lost.

He didn’t try to make them think He was cool. He told them exactly what they needed to hear for their eternity. What else would Jesus talk about, and what else would you ever want to talk to Jesus about?

That is a stark contrast with the Newspring Video Game Arcade.

Thanks,
Bill

By: shane

shane — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:43:12 +0000

Will people really meet “a dude named Jesus” at Newspring? I would have to question if the Jesus they meet there is truly the Jesus of the Bible.

By: scott crownover

scott crownover — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:33:30 +0000

While Jesus was having dinner at Levi’s house, many tax collectors and “sinners” were eating with him and his disciples, for there were many who followed him. When the teachers of the law who were Pharisees saw him eating with the “sinners” and tax collectors, they asked his disciples: “Why does he eat with tax collectors and ‘sinners’?” On hearing this Jesus said to them, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have come not to call the righteous, but sinners.” (Luke 2:15-17)

Did these “sinners” get saved? Did they hear and accept the gospel? Did they leave proclaiming a love for Christ? Good question. The answer is… we don’t know. Luke neglected to tell us anything about that. But we do know that they met a dude named Jesus.