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	<title>Comments on: The 4 Pastors</title>
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	<description>Defending truth and contending for the Faith while carrying the Light of the Gospel into a world shrouded in darkness.</description>
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		<title>By: Manfred</title>
		<link>http://defendingcontending.com/2009/12/08/the-4-pastors/#comment-16409</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just came across the story of an English preacher by the name of William Haslam who was converted by his preaching!

It&#039;s a wonderful testimony to the faithfulness of our God.  Read about this dramatic salvation here: http://www.williamhaslam.org/

He who was dead, now lives!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just came across the story of an English preacher by the name of William Haslam who was converted by his preaching!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a wonderful testimony to the faithfulness of our God.  Read about this dramatic salvation here: <a href="http://www.williamhaslam.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.williamhaslam.org/</a></p>
<p>He who was dead, now lives!</p>
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		<title>By: Ann-Elise</title>
		<link>http://defendingcontending.com/2009/12/08/the-4-pastors/#comment-16387</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ann-Elise]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you! That was stunning and the description of the Faithful Pastor brought tears to my eyes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you! That was stunning and the description of the Faithful Pastor brought tears to my eyes.</p>
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		<title>By: Manfred</title>
		<link>http://defendingcontending.com/2009/12/08/the-4-pastors/#comment-16377</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent!  Reminds me of a similar description of churches, that I used in my discussions with the pastors of my former church:

The church largely fits what has been described as a “Traditional Church”, within the evangelical landscape.  This is a church which appeals to the world with programs and door to door evangelism; concludes sermons by inviting people to walk the aisle or accept Jesus; proclaiming that Jesus longs for a personal relationship with each person and all one must do is to invite Him into his heart.

This model, along with those describing “Seeker Sensitive” and “Missional”, starts with a secondary question – “How can we reach the world?”  This is a good question, but it’s not primary.  The primary question is, “How do we worship?”  Worship is primary because God is primary.  Programs that only give the illusion of honoring God exist because churches lose their primary focus – which is to be on the Lord, not His creation.

A 4th model is described, “The Godward Church” – A group of people gather in a room.  One of them stands up, opens a Bible and says, “This is what God says.”  He explains the text and how it should affect one’s life.  The church sings, prays, shares the bread and the cup, and goes home.  Not very market savvy.  Not very exciting.  But the Word of God comes with power, the Holy Spirit, and deep conviction.  Consciences are pierced, lives changed.  People go home worshiping God by hating sin, loving one another, and proclaiming the gospel to their neighbors.  A Godward church is a worshiping church, which will make it a supernaturally attractive church; distinct like salt and bright like fire.  The people begin to look like – sons and daughters of God.  That’s most attractive – and it starts with hearing the Word of God.

(I’ve taken the preceding church descriptions from a report from 9Marks located at http://involve.9marks.org/site/DocServer/2007_Report_Card.pdf?docID=281).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent!  Reminds me of a similar description of churches, that I used in my discussions with the pastors of my former church:</p>
<p>The church largely fits what has been described as a “Traditional Church”, within the evangelical landscape.  This is a church which appeals to the world with programs and door to door evangelism; concludes sermons by inviting people to walk the aisle or accept Jesus; proclaiming that Jesus longs for a personal relationship with each person and all one must do is to invite Him into his heart.</p>
<p>This model, along with those describing “Seeker Sensitive” and “Missional”, starts with a secondary question – “How can we reach the world?”  This is a good question, but it’s not primary.  The primary question is, “How do we worship?”  Worship is primary because God is primary.  Programs that only give the illusion of honoring God exist because churches lose their primary focus – which is to be on the Lord, not His creation.</p>
<p>A 4th model is described, “The Godward Church” – A group of people gather in a room.  One of them stands up, opens a Bible and says, “This is what God says.”  He explains the text and how it should affect one’s life.  The church sings, prays, shares the bread and the cup, and goes home.  Not very market savvy.  Not very exciting.  But the Word of God comes with power, the Holy Spirit, and deep conviction.  Consciences are pierced, lives changed.  People go home worshiping God by hating sin, loving one another, and proclaiming the gospel to their neighbors.  A Godward church is a worshiping church, which will make it a supernaturally attractive church; distinct like salt and bright like fire.  The people begin to look like – sons and daughters of God.  That’s most attractive – and it starts with hearing the Word of God.</p>
<p>(I’ve taken the preceding church descriptions from a report from 9Marks located at <a href="http://involve.9marks.org/site/DocServer/2007_Report_Card.pdf?docID=281" rel="nofollow">http://involve.9marks.org/site/DocServer/2007_Report_Card.pdf?docID=281</a>).</p>
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		<title>By: Desert Pastor's wife</title>
		<link>http://defendingcontending.com/2009/12/08/the-4-pastors/#comment-16369</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Desert Pastor's wife]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 02:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This was very good!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was very good!</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Johnston</title>
		<link>http://defendingcontending.com/2009/12/08/the-4-pastors/#comment-16365</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthew Johnston]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 00:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is great! 

[posting this at my blog] 

Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is great! </p>
<p>[posting this at my blog] </p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Ministry Addict</title>
		<link>http://defendingcontending.com/2009/12/08/the-4-pastors/#comment-16364</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ministry Addict]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One more:  The Biblical pastor did what the faithful pastor did, except before and after the Bible study and communion service, he went to the homes of all his neighbors and all those who lived in proximity to the church and tried to share the Gospel with them in their home, or, at least, on their front porch.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more:  The Biblical pastor did what the faithful pastor did, except before and after the Bible study and communion service, he went to the homes of all his neighbors and all those who lived in proximity to the church and tried to share the Gospel with them in their home, or, at least, on their front porch.</p>
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