Sandra Tanner, of Utah Lighthouse Ministries, speaks for a few moments about a pedophile prophet–no, not Muhammed, but close–Joseph Smith. From the Manti evangelism seminar (via Mormon Coffee):
Joseph Smith was one of the worst of the false prophets as he used manipulation to satisfy the lusts of his eyes and the lusts of his flesh with those who were still children. His wickedness knew no bounds.
I wonder if all those today who “follow the prophet” would feel comfortable leaving their young daughters alone with this predator.
Sad and sick. If Joseph Smith were alive today he’d have to register as a sex offender.
- The Pilgrim
If he were alive today, he would be in the state penitentiary for statutory rape and a host of other crimes. This would also be true for the majority of the Mormon elders as well. Sadly, when a man-made religion is allowed to run rampant (or it is run by fear), the result is the complete moral breakdown of that society and the utter disregard for the commands of Scripture.
In the 1700′s, the average age of marriage for females was 12.5 and males 13.5 (when life expectancy was 30-40 years) so this point is basically silly. I know Joseph Smith was born in early 1800′s, but my point is still valid.
Did you actually watch the video? I would recommend you listen to how Joseph Smith used lies and manipulation to add to his harem before blindly jumping to his defense.
If only Dr. Phil was around to help Joe Smith.
I’m not defending how anyone “fools” anyone else into marrying them (just like my husband “fooled” me), I’m just saying that almost all of our great-great-grandparents got married younger than the girl who was almost 17 and it was “normal”. To “monday morning quarterback” over 150 years later and apply todays standards of being a “sexual predator” is ridiculous/silly because of the girls age at that time. Contrary to modern Western customs, it was acceptable in ancient times to marry close family relatives, including cousins and nieces. It was evidently also common for men to have more than one wife, and even to have children with women who were not their wives (slaves or concubines). For example, Abraham’s first son was the child of his wife’s slave-girl; and one biblical tradition even says that his wife, Sarah, was actually his half-sister. Similarly, the twelve sons of Jacob have four different mothers: the two wives of Jacob (who are his first cousins) and two other women (slave-girls of his wives).
Criticize Joe Smith because of his claim to be have seen God and Jesus Christ standing next to him, not for some silly sociological fine point.
or the many versions he came up with about that “story”.
If Abraham were alive today . . . he’d still be one of God’s chosen . . . and in jail . . . LOL. And no, I’m not comparing Giuseppe Smith to Abraham!
4*P says: I edited your four comments into one. I have neither removed nor added anything to the original
Tell me how the false prophet Joe Smith throwing out male members from his religious cult so he could climb in bed with their wife is just a “silly sociological fine point.”
This is NOT an issue about some young man under the age of 18 choosing to marry a young lady under the age of 18 and looking to start a family. This is about a sexual deviant who used sex as a weapon to entice and warp the minds of his followers into believing that they would not inherit the celestial kingdom unless they did his bidding.
Sadly, for all of his soothsaying and adulterous ways, Joe never learned and died as an unrepentant sinner, condemned before a holy and righteous God and will spend eternity in hell forever for his outright rejection of the Lord Jesus Christ, Who Alone is the Eternal Son of God and very God Himself.
The Desert Pastor
So I suppose sending Joseph Smith a father out of state so he can use fear and intimidation to manipulate a teenage girl into his bed is a “sociological fine point.”
I will ask you again: Did you actually watch the video? Or are you afraid to actually hear the truth? If you were to actually watch and listen, you may actually understand what you are talking about.
Desert Pastor, your logic train doesn’t make sense, mixing and matching arguments. Your last paragraph was 100 fold more convincing than the first 2 (based on the arguments in my previous comment, which by the way TY for stringing my ADD postings together 4*P).
4*P – of course I watched the video and was disappointed by the lack of substance. It was like listening to historical gossip that was designed to further prejudice ONLY people who already think Jose Smith was a bum. Not convincing to anyone else because of lack of GOSPEL oriented points AKA THE GOOD NEWS, instead of the historical Jerry Springer show. It’s like all the junk coming up about Judas Iscariot concerning whether “was he GOOD or was he BAD”, did Jesus love him or did he know he would be betrayed by him. Did he actually tell Judas it was okay to betray him? I mean, c’mon – Faith in and confession of Jesus as Lord, repentance, baptism, Prayer, there are some good topics to combat the Mormons with as well as convince the undecided cybernauts.
I’m wondering why my comments were deleted from this post.
They were on-topic, Biblical, Reformed, and showed concern for sharing the Gospel with Mormons.
They were here a few weeks, then gone.
I agree that Joseph Smith did NOT heed God’s warning to him against following his “own will and CARNAL DESIRES” (D&C 3:1-11)and perpetraited extreme EVIL especially during the 1837 to 1844 years. However, according to award-winning LDS historian (excommunicated for publishing truth) D. Michael Quinn, Joseph Smith FINALLY recognized that “polygamy (and his abominable “whoremongering” ~ Jacob 2:23-24) “would destroy the church” (his comments recorded in a journal) and REPENTED a short time before his Masonic murder!!! LDS members are unaware of this historical FACT. Joseph and Emma BURNED the original (false) “reveleation” regarding polygamy and Joseph sent out orders for the people to burn their Masonic garments. However, this was covered-up by 33rd degree Mason Brigham Young, Heber C. Kimball, and Brigham’s cousin Willard Richards who later became the HISTORIAN. See D. Michael Quinn, Origins of Power, p. 545-546. Those in power rewrite history… Sandra, thanks for your seeking truth over tradition!
The spiritual knowledge that I was given regarding the “abomination” of polygamy came after prayer and was confirmed by someone’s profound near death experience. The LDS Church needs to be cleaned up due to polygamy, masonry, and significant alteration of the Book of Mormon that came with the 2nd priinting by the Masons. If you want to tear down the Book of Mormon as completely false, you better first recognize authenticated artifacts (thousands) discovered in central UNITED STATES (Ohio Mounds, Illinois, etc.) by researching “Hopewell Culture”. These artifacts have been carbon dated by the Smithsonian and parallel the same time line as the Book of Mormon!
Karen I have spent much time with Mormans in Utah, telling them of the gift of God in his grace towards those who put their trust in Jeshua the Christ. They have been hand a lot more lies that the masonic one’s dear. They cant come to saving Grace because they think they are good, and that something in them is inherently good. And that one day they’ll have their own star and be gods them selves along with brother Jesus. I offten wonder if that is why they make the words in the true bible next to Mormon false hood so small. So they remain dumb to the truth of Gods word.
If Joseph smith was correct on the great apostacy in 200 AD, then the church which was singular at the time, was run from Satan. Problem is, the bible was not given to us by the church until after 300 AD. According to Joseph Smith then, the bible is the inspired word of Satan. then by Joseph Smiths own admission, anyone reading or believing in the bible and anything relating to it (including the book of moroni), must by his own words, be a SATANIST.
Joseph Smith was not a sexual predator. At that time it was quite normal for women to marry young, in fact, when a young woman reach 17 she was thought of by many to be an “old maid”. It is not fair to Joseph Smith to judge him by todays standards, since the 17 year old was a woman at that time.
Lis, Joseph Smith WAS a sexual predator. This is not about the marrying age of a young lady. The facts of history are that he openly seduced women, including women who were already married. History also shows that Joseph Smith would send men on missions in order to have easier access to their wife, particularly if she was a beautiful woman. Joseph also chose to marry more than one woman which was not only contrary to the laws of the land, but more importantly was contrary to the laws of God. We are not judging Joseph Smith by today’s standards, but by the standards of Scripture which clearly reveal that the thoughts of his heart were ultimately revealed in the actions of his person. These actions reveal that he was not only a sexual pervert, but was also not a true prophet of God. And the same must be said for Brigham Young as well who followed in his leader’s footsteps.
When a religion is as controversial as is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, it is doubly important that anyone writing about it or its members be very careful to provide an accurate and fair treatment. As a social scientist (Ph.D. from Stanford University) I have tried to achieve such accuracy in any analyses of others beliefs. Such accuracy requires, among other things, identifying and avoiding forgeries, adopting and applying valid historical and scientific methods, and separating personal opinions, even those of Church leaders, from Church doctrine.
We have some interesting insights from the Bible on the issue of misrepresentation of others beliefs. Christ, in his Sermon on the Mount, said the following: “Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake…Rejoice, and be exceedingly glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.” (Matthew 5: 11-12).
For those who wonder why anyone would attack the followers of Jesus’ day, the Savior added the following interesting insight. After telling his apostles that they would be persecuted and otherwise mistreated he said “the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.” (John 16:2). Then he goes on by saying “and these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.” (John 16: 3). Critics of others’ religions and beliefs probably believe that they also are doing what God wants them to. What does Christ say of this?
Such critics should also, however, give heed to the council the Jewish leader Gamaliel gave to other Jewish leaders who were persecuting the early Christians. He said “refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work (of these early Christians) be of men, it will come to nought: but if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God (Acts 5: 38-39)
True followers of God, those with love and charity for others, take this advice. They do not attack or misrepresent other religions or their followers because the Lord Jesus Christ would not want them to do so, even if they think they are right. Jesus has told us clearly what motivates those who criticize others beliefs or religions.
Phillip C. Smith, Ph.D.
I submit there is nothing untrue about Joseph Smith in the video, the article accompanying it, nor the comments by the blog owners. I have studied the LDS for over 40 years and was once a member.
Your entire comment has no bearing on the substance of this post. What has been posted is 100% fact.
Soooooo……..what does any part of what you said take away from the fact that Joseph Smith was a sexual pervert who took (at least) 33 wives?
joe smith and the lds church is and was the biggest con game ever pulled on the world illinios people should have killed them all 1844
These are all lies!!! He was not a sex offender and was only married once. He was killed because of these very lies that these people talk about him being a criminal. He was thrown in prison and murdered by another church. I learned this when I was 8 years old and who ever is not a member of this church has no power in what they talk about him. No one should judge others before they judge themself
The Real Truth,
What you just wrote has no truth to it. Smith wasn’t a “sex offender” – which is a modern concept (and often a very subjective and ambiguous one at that) but he was certainly a sexual predator. Rather than just making denials about this, how about you demonstrate by factual evidence the claims you make. Smith had numerous wives, and that has been documented time and again, and even by the LDS Church itself.
Smith was killed because he kept threatening everyone else with destruction, and then when the Nauvoo Expositor exposed much of his debauchery and other unlawful actions, he had the paper attacked and destroyed. Smith was a criminal in every sense of the word from the beginning when he was pretending to find buried treasure by means of a seer stone – the same seer stone he used to “translate” the Book of Mormon.
Everyone has the “power” to discuss Smith and his fraudulent church; we can read and study history and learn from it – something I suggest you do.
Your last statement said that “No one should judge others before they judge themself” – did you judge yourself before you made the judgment of your comment?
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