Young Girl With More Guts Than Most Christian Men

There is little doubt that it takes guts to step out of our comfort zone to proclaim the gospel. Several men in my church have admitted to me that they’re just too scared to go out witnessing. It’s all right to be scared. It’s not all right to let your fear cause you to be disobedient.

If a little 13 year-old British girl can witness to college kids, surely the rest of us can. Here’s a documentary on a big British family. Deborah is able to get the gospel out on British national television several times.

It’s about 45 minutes to an hour long, but it’s worth watching. You can watch the remaining portions by clicking on “Continue Reading »

15 thoughts on “Young Girl With More Guts Than Most Christian Men

  1. I had this post ready to go last week but was reluctant to go ahead with publishing it due to some scenes in the documentary that were questionable. Nothing with little Ms. Deborah Drapper, but with the dress and behavior of the college kids.

    I was disappointed in her brother’s subtle luring of his sister into doubt and the wicked underworld of ‘higher education’ all the while trying justifying to himself in his dabbling in the world. For example he doesn’t dance to one song in the nightclub because he doesn’t agree with the lyrics . . . uh, then why are you even there? Is there not more wickedness around you in the club than in the lyrics of a song?

    His admonishment of his sister’s emphasis on Hell, sin, and judgment in her evangelism also smacks of your typical Laodicean professing Christian:

    1. Play with the world as much as you can, but make sure you draw the line at such things as not dancing to a song with lyrics you disagree with.
    2. Publicly disagree with other people’s evangelism when they tell sinners why exactly it is that they need a savior.

    I think her brother needs to spend a little more time with his sister and a little less time with reveling in the lusts of the world.

    He did later concede that he wished he was as bold as his sister. But he will always be wishing that as long as he has one foot in the world and one foot in the church.

    And finally, in spite of the documentary trying to make Ms. Deborah Drapper appear as if she was ‘missing out’ on life, all the work of the documentary was undone in the last video. When Deborah Drapper is speaking with her brother about their visit to the nightclub they are approached by a drunken girl asking if they wanted to sign her breasts. What a contrast. Although that girl’s dad can only hang his head in shame at his daughter’s behavior, Debora’s dad can keep his head up high. That scene really put things into perspective and encapsulated the entire documentary.

    All in all it was a good documentary, but there were some scenes that viewers should be cautious of.

    – The Pilgrim

  2. In each video, there is one or more pearls of great wisdom. How wonderful to see a family that understands its function, parents who shrink back not from their roles, and children who honor the Lord. Deborah, the main subject, has firm faith that is not shaken. Also, a reminder of the seductive lure of the world and how much of it we accept. All in all, what a grand testimony of God’s grace!

  3. Pilgrim,

    I agree about the brother. When they were leaving the establishment, he clearly felt guilty. Hopefully he’ll give that up.

    I don’t know what the laws are in England, but I would think that normally, 13 year olds wouldn’t be allowed into such a place. The whole thing was clearly staged to see how she would react to being exposed to such a place. Unfortunately the brother had blazed the trail for the whole thing.

    Thanks
    Bill

  4. European says:

    I haven’t seen anyone to proclaim the Gospel in the Bible, but only men who were trained and sent by God himself.

    Taking verses out of context (like the very end of the book Mathew) leads to having another way of sending people, another gospel, another church, another converts and another christianity and another christ…

    I read that for 2 years the whole middle east learned about Christ. Now with that “everyone’s sent” I see more troubles done than good, especially from “missionaires” (which is not a biblical word) sent by America, but not by God.

    Please, guys, repent from these false teachings and return to the Word and do not cross the boundary of the Wod.

  5. European,

    Would you be so kind as to tell us your view of “the Gospel of the Bible” and provide the Biblical reference for your assertion that “only men who were trained and sent by God himself” (sic). Also, how would you determine who such men are?

    I agree that are those who see the “Great Commission” as addressed to the 12, but do not see that as a prohibition against common folk preaching Christ crucified to dead people.

    Which false teachings need to be repented of?

  6. European says:

    There’s no “my view” – this is the example I plainly read in the Bible (without any interpretation) which God’s people are commanded to follow.

    Nowhere in the Bible I found a passage that says that we are all “evangelists” as it’s commonly preached.

    For example Philip was named as “evangelist” and if all are evangelists it shouldn’t be needed. Also I find that all apostles, prophests, evangelists, shepherd-teachers are chosen by God alone and sent by God alone.

    The example of Paul and Barnabas is a classic one when the Holy Spirit commands to separate Paul and Barnabas for the work of the Gospel. What did the other people from the church do? Did they went the other direction?

    The Bible says: How shall they preach if they were not sent? (Romans)

    Not all from the Levites were chosen to deal with the Ark of God. Only a number of them chosen directly by God. Did the other became non-levites? No.

    I see that when Jesus told the 11 (not 12) to go to all the world, there were other disciples at that time. We have a testimony that He has appeared before 500 of the brethren which were also disciples of Jesus, but not from the apostles.

    Paul was directly chosen by God and after many years (even he knew probably better the Scriptures than anyone of us) he had to spend in the feet of Christ before being sent directly by the Spirit. Phillp was instructed by God where to go and what to do.

    These men were sent with power and authority. That’s why today we say “God says…” to things they wrote, because the things they wrote were under the power and authority of the Spirit of God.

    Today the sent-by-missionary-schools people or those who decide to “go out from their comfort zone” are just story tellers – no power, no authority. If you are honest enough you will agree that 99% of the people that “go out and preach” do not preach the Gospel (they don’t even know what the Gospel is) and do not preach it in power and authority.

    The Gospel is about the Kingdom of God. That’s what Jesus’ first words were – about the Kingdom of God. That’s why he said so many parables about the Kingdom. That’s what he was speaking of with the apostles during the 40 days after His resurrection. Today’s “gospel” is “another gospel” which is all about men – “god loves YOU”, or “believe in God, so YOU shall be saved” or “belive in God, so YOU won’t go to hell” and so on.

    The preachers of the Gospel were always been men. Women can only tell stories. Women can’t teach about God with power and authority as it’s forbidden. The word “teach” that we read in the passage about women is the same word “teach” we read when Jesus taught. His teaching was confirmed by the people to be with power and authority.

    The false teaching “everyone’s sent” has lead to something very very bad and this is a false Christ. Here’s the chain:

    Any one goes out and tells others stories (no power, no authority). This story is most of the times false, because it’s a false gospel I’ve been hearing all over the place and everywhere (Paul Washer has some very good sermons on that and you’ve probably heard them). This produces planting of false churches which are preaching the same false gospel and creating false converts. These false converts are praying to a false christ. This whole thing repeats and repeats and everything becomes very very blurry and untrue, because the boundary of the Word has been crossed and non-trained (by God) people were sent (by people) to do something which is God’s and should be managed by God and entirely guided by God.

    I don’t see the apostles to be preaching about “going out and preach” when they were teaching the churches. Everything about “everyone’s sent” is taken from a few words of Jesus taken out of context. If this was so great thing everyone to do, why don’t we have it so thoroughly through the Bible?

    There’s something that’s true, though and it’s that the Body of Christ is the salt of the earth and the light of the world. Jesus never says that a single believer is a city on the hill. He speaks about the Body. If there’s a Body (not a club-like congregation gathering for 2-3 hours every week) which is living together, working together, praying together in the midst of the world they live in – people will see and will ask about our hope. Then we should be prepared to answer with humbleness. This is our testimony to the people outside – our deeds, so that they might see our deeds and bring glory to the Father in Heaven. That’s what Jesus told to the people who were listening to him. He told other things to the disciples though as they were separated for another job.

    In Revelation is said that (paraphrasing) “they have overcome the devil by the blood of the Lamb and their testimony…” where “testimony” is the “testimony of Christ” (not their once-upon-of-time story when they were sick and God healed them). The testimony of Christ is something the Body has a job to do and this is what God wants to through the Body:

    11. And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
    12. For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
    13. Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ:
    14. That we from now on be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
    15. But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
    16. From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplies, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, makes increase of the body to the edifying of itself in love.

    The whole concept of a “body” has lost its primary meaning today. That’s why we should all stop the inertia we’re going along and see if we’re doing STRICTLY what the Bible tells us, or we add to the Word of God.

    Remember Uzzah who were killed by God, right because he (Uzzah) thought what he was doing was right in his own heart.

    Remember the 53,000 people God killed, because they looked in the Ark of God which has just came from the Philistine lands. What wrong did the people while they were rejoicing the Ark of God has returned and just looked inside (probably to see if there’s anything missing…)? Well, that was forbidden to them. Only a number of Levites were allowed to do that.

    That’s the SAME God we’re serving. He hasn’t changed and He won’t.

    That’s why I testify to you that not everything you see today as “good” is good according to God’s Word as it’s crossing the boundary of the text.

  7. European,

    You posted a whole lot – much of which I agree with – that I frankly do not see how it is relevant to this post.

    I don’t buy your argument that only men can proclaim the Gospel of Christ, that it was and should be only proclaimed within the church, nor that only certain men can proclaim the Gospel. You rightly argue for the regulative principle, but do not, in my opinion, rightly apply it to this thread.

    Women are not to have authority over men – but that’s not the same thing as proclaiming Christ crucified to people.

    Certainly, much of modern “Christianity” is false – but that’s not the topic of this thread. Did you see/hear false teaching in the videos? Is the 13 year-old daughter not allowed to read the Bible to her siblings and teach them the things of God?

  8. @The Pilgrim:

    I loved this documentary when I watched it several weeks ago. I’ve had some nice interaction with Deborah via the internet as well. There seems to be a lot of discussion regarding her brother, and his actions, or as you put it, his”luring” of her.

    I’d just like to say in his defense that Deborah was quite oblivious to the very subtle suggestions that her brother may be a false-convert in a recent interview, and clarified that it was the BBC that arranged all those outings and parties, and that he would not normally have taken her there.

    I’m not defending what he did – simply bringing another piece of information to the table.

    Deborah linked to the interview I’m referring to:

    http://deborahdrapper.com/tony-miano-ambassadors-alliance-radio/

  9. Having been around a LOT of British kids, I found the brother came across in quite an effeminate manner. Plenty of issues I could address being a Brit and knowing the culture, and hopefully will post something on this in the next day or so.

  10. European,

    The gospel is the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 15:3-4).

    Maybe I’m not understanding you correctly, but you’re saying that a regular Christian shouldn’t preach the gospel, but should wait around for someone to ask him for the hope that lies within him.

    In Matthew 28:19-20, Jesus told the disciples to make disciples, and teach them to do everything He’s commanded them to do. Why do you say that the disciples should teach the new disciples to do everything Jesus has commanded them to do, except make disciples?

    Personally, I have received forgiveness of my sin. I have received infinite mercy and grace. I couldn’t keep myself from proclaiming that good news if I wanted to. I don’t know how any Christian can keep himself from proclaiming the gospel. How do you do it? What does it feel like to discourage other Christians from proclaiming that news?

    I would also like to point out that I subscribe to the theory that brevity is the soul of wit. I’m a fan of others who subscribe to that theory.

    Thanks,
    Bill

  11. European,

    If I’m understanding the Bible incorrectly, I definitely want to know. I want to do what it says. If I’m wrong I’m willing to admit it. But, you’re not making a very strong case at this point.

    To prove your point that the gospel is about the kingdom of God, you quoted verses where the Bible refers to the “gospel of the kingdom of God.” Basic English would indicate that this doesn’t mean that the gospel is necessarily about the kingdom of God, but is possessed or described by “the kingdom of God.” It’s a descriptive name for the gospel.

    Here are some other ways the Bible refers to the gospel:
    – gospel of God’s grace (Acts 20:24)
    – gospel of God (Romans 1:1. 15:16, 2 Cor 11:7, 1 Thess 2:8-9, 1 Pet 4:17)
    – gospel of His Son (Romans 1:9)
    – gospel of Christ (Romans 15:19, 1 Cor 9:13, 2 Cor 2:12, 9:13, 10:14, Gal 1:7, Philippians 1:27, 1 Thess 3:2)
    – gospel of your salvation (Eph 1:13)
    – gospel of peace (Eph 6:15)
    – gospel of our Lord Jesus (2 Thess 1:8)
    – gospel of the blessed God (1 Tim 1:11)

    These are names for the gospel, and qualities of the gospel, but that doesn’t mean that they are the gospel.

    I should have included verse 1 and 2 in my reference to 1 Corinthians 15:3-5. Paul, most certainly was speaking of the gospel.

    You say the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus isn’t the gospel, because the gospel is not about us. I agree that the gospel isn’t about us. What you’re implying is that Christ’s death is about us. I don’t get it, because Christ died for His glory–not for us.

    Ephesians 4 speaks of the office of evangelist. It also speaks of pastors and teachers. According to you, no other Christians should preach the gospel other than evangelists. Should no other Christians teach or act as a pastor in a limited way because they aren’t a pastor or teacher. Are you endorsing doing away with Sunday school, and training up our children in the way they should go? Why are you saying no Christian should ever act as an evangelist, just because there are some who officially hold the position of evangelist.

    You haven’t answered my questions. Have you ever been excited about some good news you received? Have you ever called your friends and told them the news? How do you stop yourself from telling everyone the good news of Jesus Christ? Why do you say the disciples were supposed to teach the new disciples to be obedient to everything Jesus commanded them, except the command to make disciples? Those are serious questions. You need to answer them if you want this conversation to continue.

    So far you’ve only said what the gospel is not, and that it’s about the kingdom of God. Please explain the gospel to me. Pretend an unbeliever came up to you and said, “European, what is the reason for the hope that lies within you?” What would you say? Has that ever happened to you? What type of church/denomination are you a part of?

    Thanks,
    Bill

  12. European says:

    Bill,

    Please read the next verses in 1 Cor 15 which says what the end will be:


    24. Then comes the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
    25. For he must reign, till he has put all enemies under his feet.
    26. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
    27. For he has put all things under his feet. But when he said all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
    28. And when all things shall be subdued to him, then shall the Son also himself be subject to him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

    I’m afraid you are reading only the 1st portion of everything and that’s what your “gospel” is.

    I see that Paul preaching the same thing as Jesus does. The same essentials.

    Here’s another passage of Paul’s teaching:
    “And he commanded us to preach to the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.”

    Note that He (God) commanded not “all people”, but “us” (Paul and others with the same ministry). What has God commanded them? To testify that He (Jesus) was the ordained of God to be the Judge of all men.

    I see also curses of all who preach another gospel.

    The whole confusion comes from the fact that the Kingdom of God is not the Gospel for many Christians. It is the essential thing. Without the Kingdom of God there would not be any hope through repentance. Without the death of Christ there would be no hope of justification even if we repented. That’s why Jesus was speaking everywhere about the Kingdom of God. So did the apostles. So did John the Baptist. So did Jonah.

    …What do people today say?… something totally different – who’s example are they following?

    You said that “according to me no other than evangelists should preach the gospel”.

    I’ve never said that. The shepherd-teachers should explain the Gospel to people of God. The apostles should preach the Gospel too (as we read in the Bible). The evangelists should preach the Gospel too. The latter 2 groups are preaching it to the unbelievers while teachers are preaching it to the Church. Also it’s said that we should edify each other and this is not preaching nor teaching with power and authority.

    About the Sunday schools – this is something totally unbiblical. God has commanded each father to teach his children, not to give the children to someone else (usually a WOMAN) because he (the father) doesn’t know the Scriptures and doesn’t know how to teach them. If you are pro-Sunday schools – let me see where does God command that and why it is done. The same with the youth meetings – totally unbiblical.

    Also about evangelists – it’s not me who is saying that. It’s God who made it this way. When the foot is not a hand it can’t pretend to be a hand. The same with men who are not evangelists. They (the non-evangelists) have their own position in the Body of Christ and they should not try to be something else or try to “help God” to evangelize.

    It’s commanded directly by Jesus Christ – pray to the Lord of the Harvest to SEND workers. This is said to believers. It’s not said “all of you – go and harvest”, but pray to the Lord of the Harvest, so He might SEND workers.

    Once again – you start giving me subjective examples rather than Biblical examples. I submit to you that even the serial killers think that “good news” is when they get well paid and they go and share it with others from the gang.

    Doing what is right in our own eyes is working against us. The Gospel is what the Bible says what is the Gospel – the Gospel of the Kingdom. If you think that saying to others that Jesus Christ has risen is the gospel – it’s not, because it’s something that was a CONSEQUENCE of the coming of the Kingdom.

    If you don’t grasp the whole concept of the Kingdom – something Jesus CONSTANTLY speaks about – you will never understand it.

    Here in Revelation 14 the angel is again proclaiming the Gospel of the coming Just Judge:

    “And I saw another angel fly in the middle of heaven, having the _everlasting gospel_ to preach to them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.”

    It’s everywhere the same and the same good news – the coming of the King in His Kingdom. That’s the Good News.

    Even the Pharisees were teaching the people the same thing.

    All people were awaiting for the Messiah to come in His Kingdom. When the Gospel of the Kingdom was preached to them – they KNEW WELL what this meant.

    The disciples were eagerly asking Jesus when He was resurrected – is the Kingdom coming now? Look with what anticipation they asked. Look how many times people referred to Jesus as the King. They have always looked for the King and this was the Good News to them.

    …now the Good News is only what I CAN get from that… and if you get NOTHING… that’s not good news. What if God did not give any blessing, but only the good news that He will come in His Kingdom? Actually this is what Jesus told the people and what He taught the disciples. The people were warned that the Kingdom of God comes, so they shall repent or they will perish. This is a commandment. This is not entertainment to the people (as today Christians are entertaining the unbelievers with “christian” concerts and “christian” drama and other total rubbish)

    The parables Jesus was speaking of were all about the coming of the King, the Kingdom of God, the judging with righteousness.

    Today it’s been preached 99% only of what He made for ME and probably maximum of 1% about the Kingdom of God.

    I see Jesus speaking 99% of the Kingdom of God though…

    This is an answer to your question about “being eager to share the gospel”. This is something I’ve never seen in the Bible “eagerness of being an evangelist” and you should think very deeply if you’re on the right track here as most of your comments are based on what you see in America. I just comment what I see in the Bible.

  13. European says:

    Missed to answer this part
    “So far you’ve only said what the gospel is not, and that it’s about the kingdom of God. Please explain the gospel to me. Pretend an unbeliever came up to you and said, “European, what is the reason for the hope that lies within you?” What would you say? Has that ever happened to you? What type of church/denomination are you a part of?”

    When an unbeliever comes up to me, this is the situation described here:
    “But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asks you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear”

    What is our _hope_? To go to heaven? This is a selfish hope. This looks like a dirty deal with God “i’m gonna believe in you and you will get me to a good place where I CAN get pleasure of being at”

    The hope is that the Kingdom is coming and the righteous King shall Judge with righteousness and we shall rejoice in that. The coming of the King is our hope.

    That’s the same Gospel preached by the apostles.

    About the “church/denomination” question – is this something you were taught to answer in America, or this is the Bible who teaches you the answer?

    I personally don’t belong to any denomination, but to the Body of Christ. It’s not a building or a human organization or a sunday-2hrs-club-like-meeting. I belong to a fellowship of Christians forming a Body of Christ. This is something I see the people of God belonged to in the stories from the Bible.

    I don’t know who teaches that everyone should belong to a denomination or a sunday-meeting-for-2hrs-congregation. This is something totally unscriptural. The believers should be close to each other daily, to work together daily. There’s no such thing as “going to the church” in the Bible, but being IN or OUT of the Church. If there’s a body of close fellowshipping Christians – this is the local church. This is where every Christian should belong to. If you think that 2h of service makes you a Christian from the Body of Christ, it’s the same as if someone states that 2h a week watching TV makes him/her a TV maniac.

  14. European,

    If someone is asked a question repeatedly, and can’t answer, I have to assume they don’t know the answer. I’ve asked you the same questions at least 2 times, and you haven’t answered. Clearly you’re not shy about sharing your opinion. What conclusion do you expect me to draw?

    In spite of the volume of words you can crank out, your answer to someone who would ask you what hope you have is excruciatingly short.

    “The hope is that the Kingdom is coming and the righteous King shall Judge with righteousness and we shall rejoice in that. The coming of the King is our hope.”

    Maybe no one has ever asked you the question, and you are not prepared in spite of the admonition on 1 Peter 3:15.

    Furthermore, the answer isn’t even correct, because the kingdom is not a future event, but a present reality (Mark 9:1, Matt 12:28, 10:7) for those who are born again.

    I realize denominations aren’t in the Bible. I think I’ve figured out why you don’t talk to non Christians. If you took your smart mouth out on the street, you’d probably get the snot beat out of you. No matter how big you are, there’s always someone bigger. Nevertheless, I’m trying to get an understanding of your beliefs. You say you live in community with Christians. Is there a name for this community? If someone were to send your church mail, what name would they put on the envelope?

    The way you talk to people on this blog isn’t kind. It is unChristian. We are to judge those who claim they’re Christians by their actions. By your repeated unkind, condescending treatment of the people on this blog over the last few weeks, I would say you need to look long and hard at whether you’re truly born again. You can have all the right doctrines, but if you don’t have love for others, you remain a child of the devil (1 John 3:10).

    You can’t say I haven’t given you fair opportunity to try to correct my understanding of the Bible’s teaching on evangelism. I’ve reached the conclusion that you’re too ashamed of the gospel to care enough about anyone else to approach them with it, just like 99% of the rest of the false Christians you despise. The only difference between you and them is you’ve managed to come up with a unique line of reasoning. You’re disobedient to the Great Commission, and you’re just making excuses for your fear and disobedience.

    Thanks,
    Bill

  15. European,

    I apologize for intruding upon your conversation with Bill, but in light of said exchange I’d like to ask you just a couple questions, if I may.

    Would you be willing to provide some background information regarding the circumstances through which you personally came to be reconciled unto and justified before the One True and Living God of the Holy Bible?

    Would you be willing to share examples of the One True and Living God’s active sanctifying work in your life as you are growing in Christlike character, increasing in love for God and people, and bearing the obvious and ongoing fruit of the Holy Spirit (John 14:2; 15:1-16:33; Gal. 5:22-25; James 2:18)?

    In Christ,
    CD

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