NewSpring church–a spring that brings forth bitter water

Well, if you have heard of NewSpring church (A group led by master goatherder Perry Noble himself), this won’t surprise you. If you were wondering when they would finally hit that ramp and fly face-first into full-fledged apostasy–then wait no longer! They have officially joined light with darkness, righteousness with lawlessness, and have made an accord between Christ and Belial and an agreement between the temple of God and idols (see 2nd Corinthians 6:14-18). According to Newspring’s official website, their Easter sermon will be opened by playing a song.

But not just any song.

You are not going to believe this…

…or maybe you will…

AC/DC’S HIGHWAY TO HELL!!!

I KID YOU NOT!!

[Hat tip: A Little Leaven]

ARE YOU KIDDING ME!! Just when you thought Perry (Ig)Noble couldn’t slide any further into the depths of satanic bile, he manages to touch toes on the very bottom of Lucifer’s muck pit. His own words–

We are opening our Easter services with an AC/DC song…about a highway to a place that is really hot! I’m asking every NewSpringer to GO ALL OUT to get your friends and family members who don’t know Christ here on Easter weekend…I promise they will hear (and see) the Gospel in a way that they will understand.

And they will hear it in a way that will not make one lick of difference in their lives. They will hear a watered-down Christ that will sound so ear-tickling good to their ears, they will just lap up His sugary goodness and go on about their lives, rocking-and-rolling with AC/DC all the way down the Highway to…you know where.

Just get a load of these God-honoring lyrics:

Living easy, living free
Season ticket on a one-way ride
Asking nothing, leave me be
Taking everything in my stride
Dont need reason, dont need rhyme
Aint nothing I would rather do
Going down, party time
My friends are gonna be there too

No stop signs, speed limit
Nobodys gonna slow me down
Like a wheel, gonna spin it
Nobodys gonna mess me round
Hey Satan, payed my dues
Playing in a rocking band
Hey momma, look at me
Im on my way to the promised land

Someone warned you about this, didn’t they?

See more on Newspring and Perry Noble here.

64 thoughts on “NewSpring church–a spring that brings forth bitter water

  1. And of course, in a painfully easy bit of prediction, we see that THE VERY FIRST COMMENT over at A Little Leaven is from someone suggesting that the use of this song on Resurrection Sunday might be justified by the Apostle Paul’s reference to the “unknown god.”

    I’m no prophet, but I predict that, unless Christ comes back first, we will see naked dancing women in a “church” service very soon, and someone will say, “So what, Jesus partied down with publicans and sinners.”

  2. How long, o Lord? How much longer will you withhold your judgment against us? When is enough, enough?

    God have mercy on us…the church!

    Ridiculous.

  3. I don’t know how many people I run into when out witnessing that think Hell is one big kegger with Satan being in charge of the place.

    We should always take the time to go through the Law and show sinners that Hell is a horrible place for the wicked (as well as resaonable) who have sinned against a holy and righteous Judge as well as showing them that Satan will not be down there partying with them for eternity.

    This ‘church’ has bought into the lie that we must bring the world into Christ’s church to bring in sinners. Christ did not command us to bring the world into His church, He told us to go into the world and preach the Gospel while not becoming of the world.

  4. Karen says:

    People! Come on! Any of you folks actually listen to the sermon preached at Newspring on Easter? Right after the song was performed- by the band only, the congregation did not participate as this was not a “worship” song- The screens spelled out the Roman Road to salvation. Remember, my brothers and sisters, we are ALL on the highway to hell without Jesus. Get past the (sometimes ) non-traditional presentation and you will hear the TRUTH spoken by Perry Noble, who ALWAYS starts and ends with scripture and lots of it!

  5. Ah, pragmatism at its finest. Because the audience didn’t sing (that you know of) this wicked song Highway to Hell by AC/DC, and only the church band participated in playing this song in the “house of God,” then it’s ok. After all, the Romans Road was displayed on the big screen TVs after the band played a song celebrating the eternal punishment of the damned.

    Wow. Anything goes today as long as you throw some Scripture at it afterwards, huh? My how we have fallen.

    Just curious, Karen, what Scripture did Perry Noble start and end with (and lots of it) in this sermon?

    Oh, and did you know Jehovah’s Witnesses use a lot of Scripture too?

    Sincerely,
    – The Pilgrim

  6. Karen says:

    If you are so curious, Pilgrim, go to the church’s website and listen to the sermon: Newspring.cc

  7. Karen:

    I am not “so curious.”

    I have seen enough of Noble over the past couple of years to know that I don’t need to listen to every utterance that comes out of his mouth just because someone thinks he’s misunderstood and that listening to him will clear everything up.

    Even without this past knowledge, the very idea that someone would use the music of the world glamorizing going to Hell performed by those going to Hell sung for those going to Hell, is enough to repulse every truly born again believer who possesses a sense of right and wrong, who can distinguish between the profane and the holy, and who wishes to live a holy life.

    Sorry, Karen, but with all due respect, I don’t need to read the entire Book of Mormon to know it’s false doctrine anymore than I need to listen to another man-centered pep-talk from Mr. Noble.

    Sincerely,
    – The Pilgrim

  8. Karen says:

    Okay, Pilgrim, I found my notes from Sunday:
    Start with John 14:16 – Jesus is the only way
    Acts 4:12

    Matthew 7:13-14 – It ain’t easy
    John 17:17 – what the truth is

    Jesus is unique: Is. 7:14
    John 1:14
    Hebrews 4:14-16
    Luke 24:6

  9. lyn says:

    Karen~ may I ask you this, was the absolute need for repentance expounded on and preached {Luke 13:3}? Was John 3:3 brought to light?

    As for dragging AC/DC into what is supposed to be a time of worship and praise to a Holy God, I cannot condone, and neither should any blood bought born again believer. This band has never professed Christ as Lord and Savior; their song lyrics in no way honor a Holy God.
    Here are some passages contrasting Light with darkness…
    ‘Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty’. 2nd Cor. 6: 14-18

    Of particular noteworthiness is this, ‘Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate”.
    This is a call to separate ourselves from this world, and that includes what we consider to be praiseworthy and honorable to a Holy God. Do you honestly think a rock and roll band like AC/DC, and their song, ‘Highway to Hell’ honors a God who is holy and exalted above His creation? Do you think we should drag what the world spews out as entertainment into a place reserved for worship and exaltation of God Almighty?

    I am amazed the lengths people will go to in defense of this offensive man-made form of entertainment. Have you read Leviticus 1 where God commanded the sacrifices given by the Isrealites to be without blemish and spotless? These were the ONLY kind of acceptable sacrifices for a Holy God. The Lord gave instructions as to what was acceptable before Him and how to perform these sacrificial duties. Anything other than what He stated was unacceptable.
    Here we are serving up rock music that neither glorifies God, nor can be found in His word as a worthy sacrifice for praise and worship. So many think God will accept whatever we offer up, not even realizing this God we claim to worship is mighty in power, vast in never ending wisdom and knowledge, holy and righteous, merciful; He is nothing like us! His ways are not our ways, His thoughts are too lofty for us to even begin to comprehend. Yet, we believe He is pleased with dragging what the world loves into worship services. God will NOT use an unclean vessel, whether it be a pastor, deacon, or whatever title we may have. This is from 2nd Timothy chapter two, ‘And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master’s use, [and] prepared unto every good work. Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart. ‘
    The goal of every born from above believer is to strive for holiness; we have been sanctified, or set apart from this world. Why would we have any desire to then turn around and drag the world into our worship?

  10. Karen says:

    Just so I understand you, Pilgirm: You didn’t watch the sermon but you know that Perry Noble preached a man-centered pep talk?

    Therefore you couldn’t know that Perry preached about who Jesus is: The Son of God. What Jesus said: that the only way to God is through Him. That hell is real: it is a place of eternal torment, not an eternal frat party. What Jesus did: Was beaten beyond recognition and crucified for our sins and then rose from the dead?

    Yep, sounds pretty man-centered to me.

  11. Karen,

    Noble may have touched on those issued, but here’s a question: how many people, coming into that church for the first time, would be hearing AC/DC music–as vile, Satanic, filthy, evil, and wicked as music gets–and walk out of there thinking, “Oh, so it’s OK to listen to AC/DC!” Or do you tell people, “Hey, I know we used that Satanic music to get you in here. But now that you’re in here, don’t listen to it, OK? Just do as we say, not as we do!” How many of those people would walk out of there changed?

    Because, let us not forget, it’s not man’s words that change hearts. It’s not silly promotions and Satanic music. God has to give His blessing to an undertaking in order for it to be considered successful. After all, wouldn’t you agree that God measures success differently than we do as humans? That God isn’t as interested in numbers as He is with His truth being made known? That we can crow all we want about “10,000 people got saved with AC/DC music!” and that don’t make it so.

    Perry Noble can stand up there and preach all day long. But if he is trying to join that which is holy to that which is evil, God will not bless it. I would again point you to 2nd Corinthians 6:14-18. How in the world can we think we are obeying God and honoring God if we are disobeying His clear command from Scripture and bringing Satan into the house of God?

    And why should we expect anything from Mr. Noble other than the syrupy, man-centered sermons we’re used to hearing from him? The things he’s said and done in the past don’t give us any reason to think he would preach anything more than a man-centered salvation, and that salvation is all about man instead of the glory of God. However, if I get a chance this week, I will try to listen to it and let folks know what he says. I don’t hold out much hope of being surprised, though.

  12. Karen says:

    I understand why people would be taken aback at hearing about AC/DC music being performed in a church. But what I don’t understand is what I’m hearing about Perry Noble preaching “man-centered” salvation. I’ve attended Newspring for two years and I have yet to hear Perry preach anything other than Jesus is our only salvation.

    Self help sermons? You can call it that if you like, but if the unchurched or unsaved or newly saved and confused don’t know how to live like a Christian, how are they to know unless someone tells them what the BIBLE says?

  13. Karen,

    I assume Newspring played this music to entice people who enjoy this type of music to come to church and hear the gospel. This is the most admirable assumption I can think of. It is admirable to want to spread the gospel to anyone and everyone including rock and roll fans (or whatever you want to call this kind of music).

    However, this idea goes completely against the biblical model of evangelism. If you want AC/DC fans to hear the gospel, that’s great. Go to a concert and preach the gospel. You can stand outside and open air preach or pass out tracts or whatever. Don’t entice them to come to you by playing sinful music in your church.

    I don’t know how big this church is, I assume it’s huge, but I can almost guarantee that you could reach more AC/DC fans by going to a concert and preaching than your church reached with this stunt.

    The New Testament is filled with stories of Jesus and the others going out into the world to spread the gospel. They didn’t put together a really cool party in Jerusalem and hope people came to them.

    I’ve never heard Perry Noble speak, and I think the quality of his sermon is completely beside the point. You shouldn’t compromise with the world to try to reach the world. Where are you going to draw the line? I’d really like to know. Is there any activity too sinful to draw people in if it’s for the purpose of giving them the gospel? Do you disagree that this music is sinful?

    Thanks,
    Bill

  14. Karen:
    “Man-centered” in the sense that it is whatever appeals to the carnal, sinful, fleshly desires of those wanting their ears itched.

    And by the way, are you aware that the Mormons can boast the same “content” for their “sermons” this past Sunday? Just ask the next Mormon you see. Then ask yourself what the difference is.

    – The Pilgrim

  15. Karen,

    Can you show us one place in the Bible where believers are encouraged to use Satanic elements in the worship of Almighty God? Because I can show you many, many places where we are commanded to be sanctified, holy, separate from the things of this world, and to not join the temple of God to idols.

    Also, would you approve of showing pornographic movies to bring in people who are attracted to such things? And if you did, would it matter what was preached? Don’t try and say it’s not the same thing, because it is. Whether it’s pornography or AC/DC music, it all springs from the same place–Hell.

  16. Anonymous says:

    Karen, do not fight any longer. Only those that have been to NewSpring can feel the weight of the Holy Spirit there. We must not fight with those that do not understand because it brings no more glory to God.

    They do not know of the hundreds of genuine salvations that occurred. How do we know the truthfulness, they were asked after the service to talk to us about what happened. These were lost people accepting Christ for the first time and it was hundreds.

    All they hear are the lyrics, they don’t feel the weight and emphasis that was put on it that actually people go there and actually live this way with this mind set.

    You may judge NewSpring but remember if we judge something that the Holy Spirit is at work in we get judged just as harshly.

    As for the references to Mr. Noble. Seriously, why has anyone reverted back to 5th grade in calling someone names. That brings Jesus Christ no glory at all.

    Slandering does no glorification at all. Let’s concentrate on glorifying Christ and trust that NewSpring is making decisions bathed in prayer and if not then scriptures illustrate that justice will be brought.

  17. lyn says:

    Anon~ you fail to understand scripture. God is NOT involved in what this church is doing. The fact is this; when ANY worldly form of entertainment is dragged in, it taints anything you may think is holy. Darkness and light do NOT mix, it is just that plain and simple. Holy and unholy cannot coincide in the same worship service. This is what God’s word teaches {read the passages already posted from 2nd Corinthians 6}. You can boast all day long of the hundreds of converts you claim to have, but you are NOT following scripture in your form of worship. If you go against God’s word, He will turn His face against all you try and do; anything you claim to accomplish is merely a work of man, NOT of the true Holy Spirit of God. The Holy Spirit will NOT dwell in a church that uses worldly means to lure in lost sinners. Why? Because God has already given us all the essentials we need, it’s simple. The preaching of the word [the whole counsel] is all that is needed.
    May God open the hearts of all who defend men who use worldly methods, may He pour into these hearts discernment.

  18. Matt says:

    My heart breaks for the people of New Spring Church.

    It is clearly a “seeker friendly” church, so their intention–which, apparently, is to fulfill Matthew 29.19–is correct. But when seekers find this body of Christians, to what kind of God are they being introduced?

    Is it the same God Whose holiness permeated the very ground on which Moses stood? (Ex 3.5) The God in Whose presence Moses “trembled with fear” on Mt Sinai (Heb 12.21); at the sight of Whom the Prophet Isaiah became “undone”? (Is 6.5)

    Is it the God at Whose appearance Abraham, the Prophet Ezekiel, and John the Evangelist fell on their faces? (Gn 7.1-3; Ez 1.28; Rev 1.17) Whose holiness so filled the House of the Lord that “the priests could not stand to minister”? (1Ch 5.13-4) In worship of Whom Joshua “fell on his face to the earth”? (Josh 5.14)

    Is it the God Who is “glorious in holiness, fearful in praises,” (Ex 15.11) Who “art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and cannot look on iniquity”? (Hab 1.13)

    Are they encountering the God Whose glory fills the whole earth (Is 6.3), Who is to be served with fear (Ps 2.11), Whose ways and thoughts are as above ours as the heavens are above the earth (Is 55.9), Who is “greatly to be feared in the assembly of the saints, and to be had in reverence of all them that are about him”? (Ps 89.7)

    Sadly–tragically!!–no. The god whom these seekers at New Spring Church are being shown is one who should be worshipped with satanic, profane, wordly, “relevant” garbage.

    People were brought to “Christ” through the use of AC/DC? Great. Too bad the “Christ” they committed themselves to was not the Christ of the Bible.

    Matt

    p.s. If this is the extent of the holiness that they are attributing to their god, then how much holiness can they truly believe is expected of them? (Ex 19.6; Lv 11.44; 19.2; 20.7, 26; 21.8; 1Pt 1.16; 1Th 4.7)

  19. Well said Matt.

    I’d like to make a couple observations starting with Anonymous’ comment that essentially said it’s a Holy Spirit thing, you wouldn’t understand.

    Observation 1:
    Sorry, Anonymous, the Charismatics have the market cornered on that shallow excuse to justify unbiblical standards and wicked behavior (see Todd Bentley for a great example). This excuse is unreal because the Holy Spirit has as much to do with a “church service” honoring the horned god of rock ‘n roll (with one of his best songs) as much as the Holy Spirit would have to do with a Benny Hinn crusade. What you and others fail to realize is that the defining attribute of the Holy Spirit is “HOLINESS.”

    Observation 2:
    I was so repulsed by the performance of this song at New Spring (as can be seen in the video on this post) that I couldn’t watch the whole thing. It shocks the senses!

    Observation 3:
    The folks at New Spring (and the countless like them across the Laodicean landscape) will listen to the account of Jesus’ turning over of the tables of the money changers in the temple, and they will reply with a resounding and hearty “Amen.” But then those same people will sit through an utterly evil (dare I say Satanic) song glamorizing and trivializing Hell during their own church service without batting an eye, (and will even defend it)! It boggles the mind!

    Observation 4:
    The defenders of this wickedness claim that since Bible verses are used before and after this song, that makes it ok. That’s like saying as long as the crack house has an “As For Me And My House We Will Serve The Lord” sign on the front door, all else is good; or that the adulteress affair was ok because the couple used a hotel room containing a Bible in the nightstand. Defending this foolishness would be laughable if it weren’t so sad and if it weren’t for the fact that countless souls are perishing.

    – The Pilgrim

    Do not love the world nor the things in the world If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
    For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world.
    1 John 2:15-16

  20. Matt says:

    Sorry, but I’d like to chime in one more time…

    Karen, you said ‘this was not a “worship” song.’

    While I certainly agree with you there, what I disagree with is the notion that, when the Church gathers as a body, any action should not be thought of as worship and done with the utmost humility and reverence.

    It should ALL be worship from beginning to end.

  21. Actually, “Highway to Hell” is indeed a worship song. Of course, the one being worshipped is Satan. And there was NewSpring church, on the day when we are to celebrate the resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ, offering full-fledged worship to Satan. But 8,000 kids “met Jesus,” right?

    Karen and Anonymous, which is more important for you to defend? Man-centered methods of drawing in crowds who will be changed for a while? Or following the clear commands of Scripture? Because I have yet to see either one of you defend Perry Noble’s actions with SCRIPTURE. Yet Pilgrim, Matt, and I have given you plenty of Scriptures which warn us against bringing AC/DC music into church.

    So, it’s pretty obvious that your allegiences lie more with Perry Noble than with the Scriptures. Especially after reading Anonymous’ comment that “All they hear are the lyrics.” Well, yeah. We hear a song containing lyrics that glorify Satan being performed in a place that is supposed to be set apart for the worship of God. You know, that whole “Do not join the temple of God to idols” thing I’ve been trying to get you to understand.

    Karen–what about the fact that bringing AC/DC into church is no different than bringing pornography in? Do you agree or disagree?

  22. But For The Grace Of God says:

    Hey folks, just throwing in my 2 cents, as everyone else seems to feel like they are entitled to do.

    Where is the notion of grace in all of this criticizing and condemning? Jesus is our example, Jesus extended grace to us, and in following, we ought to be extending grace to others.

    Completely writing a pastor off as an apostate because of the use of one song, and refusing to even watch the sermon because apparently you have seen enough of what this man has done to be able to predict what the sermon is going to be like (which I believe is called prejudice and is illegal in other contexts) does not seem very grace filled to me. You aren’t even willing to research HOW the song was used before deducing with your magical future-predicting powers that it was obviously to go and make everyone in the audience believe that Satan is better than God or something else equally nonsensical.

    Is that a Christ-like attitude? Or do you think that Jesus at the very least modeled to us that we should give Perry the benefit of the doubt, and check out the WHOLE service before passing judgment on it? Would that not seem like the kind of respect Jesus wants us to afford to fellow image-bearers of God’s?

    Or do you think that Jesus is sharing your kind of attitude? How do you like the idea that you might get up to the judgment throne and have Jesus say something like, “I don’t even need to examine what your profession of faith was like, I know that by the few things I have seen you do that your profession was fake and I’m sending you to Hell.”

    Does Jesus seem prejudice to you? I doubt it. So why should you act prejudice toward other people trying to serve God?

    Because it’s not the same as your vision of serving God? Well, I doubt that you have a perfect mind, and I doubt you could perfectly figure out what serving God looks like exactly, so I doubt that you can say that no other interpretations of serving God are valid.

    The only people in the Bible that I see with the kind of prejudice attitude that is displayed here in these comments is the Pharisees in their treatment of none other than Jesus himself.

    So give the guy a break, he was trying to tell people not to think the way the song lyrics do about Hell, because that’s the way a lot of non-believers DO think about Hell. Last time I checked, there is nothing anti-biblical about telling people that.

    Stop trusting in your own understanding so much, and be a little more accommodating of other people who are trying to follow Jesus too. We aren’t all going to look and act the same and go about things the same way. And that is okay. Its not bad. Its not something we need to fear.

    Here’s a little bit of scripture for you as well, since everyone seems to be enjoying throwing their favourite verses out there:

    Philippians 1:18 (New International Version)

    18But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.

    If an apostle can say that, why can’t you recognize it? If Perry’s methods aren’t the best possible ones, we should still be happy that he is proclaiming Christ. That’s a lot better than someone that doesn’t believe in Jesus preaching against Him.

    Grace folks, let’s have some grace.

  23. But for the grace,

    You’re absolutely right. I mean, just because a pastor shows pornographic movies in a service as a way of introducing a sermon about the evils of pornography, who are we to judge? I guess you’re right, trying to use Scripture to show why allowing Satanic music into the house of God makes us Pharisees.

    Besides, this isn’t the first time Perry Noble has used AC/DC to bring 15,000 kids to Christ.

    This is also the same Perry Noble who told his people that he’s such a big, important man that he didn’t have time to hear about their petty little problems.

    So this is not an isolated incident. It is more like a pattern of embracing anything Satanic in order to grow their numbers.

    Perry Noble on TD Jakes and Joel Osteen–
    “Anytime I mention TD Jakes or Joel Osteen on this website we have idiots e-mail in with their “concerns” about issues in regards to their theology or teaching style…I have an incredible amount of respect for both of those men. God is blessing their ministries in an incredible way…and I know there are tons of things that I could learn from them.” He called Jakes “One of the most anointed men on the planet.”
    —TD Jakes denies the Trinity, denies the Deity of Christ, and preaches that the cross is an ATM. Joel Osteen does not have the guts to preach about sin or Hell.

    Perry Noble on “The Shack”–
    “I can say that, for the most part, I enjoyed it. It made me think…and I love books that make me do that. It will definitely cause you to look and God in an entirely different way.”
    —”The Shack” is a book filled with all kinds of heretical ideas, and has been embraced by every Emergent, Liberal, Unorthodox heretic on the planet.

    Do these quotes give you a picture of Perry Noble’s discernment of what is right and what is wrong?

  24. lyn says:

    This goes well beyond the playing of one satanic song ‘grace'; this man is in dire need of repentance. Do you understand what happens to those who preach God’s word? They will come under stricter judgment {‘Not many of you should presume to be teachers, my brothers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.’ James 3:1} Do you understand what it means to fear the Lord, to have reverence for Him? I encourage you to watch the video posted here by Pilgrim entitled ‘judgment’.
    From Titus 2:1, ‘You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine.’ Now I ask, is AC/DC in accord with sound doctrine?
    Noble sides with apostates, those who preach a ‘different gospel’ of which the Apostle Paul warns, ‘But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. ‘ Galatians 1:8
    God takes the preaching of His word very serious, so serious that those who add to it or take away from it are under a curse. Rather than defend this man, pray for him. Call on him to repent of his whoredom, his mutilation of God’s Holy Word, his cheapening of the Gospel by adding worldliness to what should be kept holy and highly esteemed.
    Why do so many follow and defend the false teachers that Christ warned us of {Matt. 24}? Because there is NO FEAR of the Lord, there is no reverence for Almighty God. There is NO understanding of the attributes of this God who sits exalted high above His creation; He is majestic, mighty, and worthy of fear and reverence.
    People do not want the God of the bible, they want a god they have made, a god that will accept satanic rock music, a god that will accept flippant language, dress, and attitude towards worship. They want a god that makes them comfortable in this world, a god that doesn’t demand they “Depart! Depart! Go out from there, Touch no unclean thing; Go out from the midst of her, Be clean, You who bear the vessels of the LORD.” {Isaiah 52:11}
    They want a god who’s just like them! BUT, what does the Almighty say?

    “For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways,” says the LORD
    “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts.” Isaiah 55:8,9

  25. christ4ever says:

    I can not believe all of you so called christians. Just because a church opens it service with Highway to Hell by AC/DC instead of the typical “worship song” that most other churchs sing doesn’t mean it’s aweful and they are worshiping satan.

    Perry’s exact words were “on easter the band will open with AC/DC’s Highway to Hell, because a lot of people in this building are on that road.”

    You people are actually bashing a church that turns hundreds of people to Christ. Isn’t that what matters?

    Perry is not a typical preacher, and he does questionable things sometimes, BUT he ALWAYS preaches the truth and that Christ is our only way to salvation.

    To say that his sermons are “man-centered” and other things are crazy. I don’t go to newspring regularly because i am a member of a presbyterian church nearby and have been at other churchs too. newspring is different than the others, but thats not a bad thing. I have disagreed with alot of things at other churchs and no church is perfect (you people should know this) But Newspring is not any less of a church than any i have ever been to.

    They are for REAL, but most of you are to ignorant and light headed to see that. This will probably not change your mind because you don’t have a clue and half of you probably are on your way to hell because you are BASHING a CHURCH for crying out loud, who helps so many people and the community.

    Karen you are fighting a lost cause with these people and i feel for you. Newspring IS a great place for you to worship.

  26. “christ4ever”,

    Thanks for stopping by to read. Let me illustrate the absurdity of your defense of Perry. How would you have felt if the following opening words were used while pornography was being shown on the screen or pornographic shots from….oh say…”Titanic” or “Dances with Wolves” etc. —

    From “Perry” – “on easter the band will open with Mantovani as you watch these shots portraying lust, infidelity, fornication, adultery, etc. because a lot of people in this building are probably on that road! This will give you a reminder that your sin is open before God.”

    The truth is that every true blood-bought child of God would be appalled and devastated that Christianity has devolved to such a state. Oh wait a minute, actually some of this is already happening if not in visual form in audio form!

    What matters is the truth of God’s Word is upheld in all integrity! It is not the church that turns anybody to Christ, but the gracious work of the Holy Spirit of God convicting men of their sin and need for repentance before the wrath of the Holy God demands eternal justice on their souls.

    As for Perry “not being a typical preacher” and “does questionable things sometimes”, I would have to say that the Word of God tells us that the man of God who ministers the gospel is to be without blame and above reproach! As for “ALWAYS preaches the truth and that Christ is our only way to salvation”, that is good. However, I could name you many who claimed to be ministers who have said the same thing and yet chose to add poison to the barrel of apples. Billy Graham is a great example of a good message being watered down by the heresy he held to and gave testimony to.

    We here at DefCon fully recognize that no church is perfect and I as a pastor of a church see this not only in our own congregation but also in my own life. However, I am not and have never (and by the grace of God will never) stoop to using the world’s tactics along with the smut of the world and demon-inspired music to attempt to “turn” people to Christ. To say this is possible is a mockery of the sacrifice of Christ AND the infallible, inerrant Word of God.

    In response to one of your last comments Newspring is “REAL” alright but “REAL” what I am not sure, for they do not qualify as a Biblical New Testament church unless you count Laodicea as one, but that was before the message of warning was sent by the apostle John which history shows they did not heed. For what it is worth, I am not sure what they are teaching in YOUR presbyterian church for doctrine, but people are NOT on they way to hell because we are “BASHING a CHURCH!” The ONLY reason people will go to hell is because they reject the plain, old-fashioned message of salvation plus nothing and minus nothing!

    Finally, ultimately worship boils down to two entities 1) the worship of the ruler of this world who is satan (lucifer, the evil one), or 2) the worship of the One True God who is Maker of heaven and earth. You cannot WORSHIP one while worshiping the other. So, yes Newspring may be a great place to worship, but if there inclusion of the world and demonic music is any indicator then I would have to say it is only a great place to worship anything BUT the Lord Jesus Christ!

    Friend, we are not here to play games with you or anybody who thinks they can play games with God’s Word or God Himself for He will not be mocked. Whatsoever a man sows, so will he reap! Only two paths to choose from – heaven or hell. The path to the first is narrow and VERY FEW find it, while the path to the second is broad and paved with good intentions.

    Following the Risen Saviour,
    The Desert Pastor

  27. christ4ever says:

    This has nothing to do with pornography!

    It was a song, which the lyrics are not great but there are songs with far worse lyrics. To say this is the same as showing porn in church is rediculous. So Perry made a choice that you wouldn’t make but his choice was used in a way that he felt he could reach more people.

    Everyone doesn’t have to worship the old fashion way, we do live in the 21 century.

  28. “christ4ever”,

    You are correct – this has nothing to do with pornography. I used that as an illustration. What it does have to do with is sin. In the eyes of God, sin is still sin although some (many) people think that God grades on a curve. Pornography for example surely is not AS BAD as say playing evil lyrics with the evil accompanying music backing it straight from the pits of hell.

    Kind of like in the New Testament where the Pharisees decided that as long as they didn’t actually perform any sexual acts with a woman who was not their wife, then they were free to look AND lust after what they could not have. Jesus Christ made it clear that even looking was just as wicked as the actual act itself would have been.

    You have yet to address the other comments I made. Maybe there is no true biblical defense which is why you were more concerned with the use of an illustration than you are with the truth. As for worship “the old fashion” way, God is still the same God yesterday, today and forever. His glory He will NOT give to another.

    Music is only a small part of our worship no matter what century we live in. 1 Corinthians 10:31 states that, “Whether we eat or drink or whatever we do, do ALL to the glory of God.” So tell me, what part of AC/DC or the song “Highway to Hell” brings glory to the Most High??? Again, may I remind that God will NOT be mocked for whatsoever a man sows that he will reap. Those that sow to the flesh shall reap corruption, but those who sow to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

    To what are you sowing?
    The Desert Pastor

  29. christ4ever says:

    Please let me tell you a story and a little history about Newspring and PLEASE read it with an open mind.

    Newspring is in Anderson, SC. Extremely close to both Anderson University and Clemson University. Every Sunday they preach to thousands of teenagers and college students that do not know the Lord. Some have never even been in a church before.

    Nobody knows the number of kids that this church has saved, including some of my close friends. these people used to sleep all day Sunday and the thought of going to church never crossed their mind. But now they go to church, not all attend newspring still, and are involved. These people attend FCA and RUF on a regular basis now. They are in small groups and some lead small groups. Not only do they go to church now but you notice their new found love for Christ in their everyday life. These people are not faking their love for Christ, and Newspring is not worshipping satan.

    I understand everyone has a right to their opinion, and i disagree with you. Whether you like it or not, Newspring church is worshipping christ and bringing people to the Lord every week, isn’t that what counts. I hope you are not saying that satan has never been in your church. You are correct, God does not grade sins on a curve. So that little sin you committed at the pulpit, or in your office, or the kid in hallway committed, are they not the same as this?

    I am assuming that you do not know Perry and have not talked to him about anything that you are bashing. But am i correct that it is not our place to judge him. In the end everything is up to Christ, so why worry about this.

    On easter sunday i did not attend Newspring because i was at the church that i am a member of. I did not see perry’s sermon but might watch it soon. I also think all of you should watch the sermon before making these comments to see how he tied it in. Maybe he just made a mistake, like you do from time to time, but that does not justify what is going on here.

    “Desert Pastor”
    I hope you are not saying that that all these people are worshipping satan because i assure you they are not. It is fine to disagree but to try and discredit their faith for Lord is wrong. We are all brothers in Christ, aren’t we?

  30. lyn says:

    So where do you draw the line *Christ4ever*?
    Is it okay to have an unmarried man and woman perform sexual immoral acts in front of the pulpit and say, ‘these two are going to hell!’, or to have a homosexual couple perform an act of perversion and repeat the same phrase? What is the motive of dragging a worldly song into what is supposed to be set apart as worship of a Holy God? Do such illustrations have the ability to break an individual over his/her sins? What does the Bible say?
    “For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.” Romans 1:16

    Do you understand, from this passage, where the power to break sinners lies? In the Gospel of Christ…not in a song sung by a bunch of lost sinners {AC/DC}. The original meaning of this song has NOTHING to do with being saved from sin or being fearful of hell. It deals with selling your soul to Satan for temporary fame, fortune, and all that comes with it. If you want to reach people concerning their spiritual condition, you MUST do it God’s way, according to His word. If you want to preach on hell, sin, wrath, judgment, etc…you’ll find everything you need within the 66 books known as the Holy Bible. A true man of God who trembles at His word will expound from His word; he will not drag cutesy, cool, relevant ‘things’ into what is meant to be set aside as H-O-L-Y.

    You also state, ‘Everyone doesn’t have to worship the old fashion way, we do live in the 21 century’. Do you really believe playing acdc’s highway to hell is an acceptable form of worship to a God that is holy, too holy to even look upon sin; who is exalted high above His creation, who is righteous, unchanging, merciful; a God that absolutely hates, with a deep, white-hot kind of hatred, ALL sin? And you insist that a song that glorifies Satan, cheapens the reality of hell, and doesn’t even mention God is worthy to be part of a worship service?!?
    Almighty God is immutable, “For I am the LORD, I change not” Malachi 3:6
    Why do you insist on bringing the world into the church through rock music and calling that ‘change’? Can you show us, from scripture, where this is ordained by God?
    Rock music is ‘of this world'; with that said, how do you respond to this, ‘Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him’ from 1 John 2:15? How do you justify dragging the world into worship?
    Those who still cling to the things of this world need to dwell upon this passage, ‘”But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say?”- Luke 6:46
    It is essential that we cut the ties to our sinful past, and that includes sinful worldly music. If it does NOT glorify God, we should not indulge in it. Again, let me reiterate from His word, “Depart! Depart! Go out from there, Touch no unclean thing; Go out from the midst of her, Be clean, You who bear the vessels of the LORD.” {Isaiah 52:11}

    If your pastor wants to preach on hell, he must expound from God’s word. Luke 16:19-31 is a good place to start.

  31. lyn says:

    Christ4ever- you are unbiblical when you say, ‘Nobody knows the number of kids that this church has saved, including some of my close friends’.
    We save NO ONE…the grace of God saves sinners. You are insinuating that a church has the power to transform a life. All we can do is preach the Gospel of Christ; the results, or the outcome is in the hands of God.
    Luke 17:10 says, ‘So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.’ The word unprofitable comes from the greek word achreios which means ‘useless, good for nothing’. Apart from Christ, we have no worth or value. To think any human has the power to save just isn’t true. The power to change a life comes from Almighty God.
    As for those who you say are saved, how do you know they are saved? Can you see into their hearts? What gives you the right to proclaim them new creations in Christ?
    Do you understand the doctrine of regeneration? When a lost sinner is broken over his/her sins by the power of God, they cry out for mercy. When God graciously saves them, he ‘re-births’ them; they are born from on High. They are a ‘new creation in Christ’. The evidence of salvation is a changed life. They no longer desire their former ways. They detest what they once loved. They bear good fruit. They shun the things this world deems important. They flee sexual immorality, profane talk, drunkenness, hate, envy, gossip, slander, worldly forms of entertainment {movies, music, t.v. that dishonors God in any way}, etc.
    You simply cannot proclaim someone saved as soon as they profess Christ. Instead of making such a claim, you need to pray that what they profess is genuine. Easy believism is rampant in America; it stems from preachers calling on lost sinners to repeat a prayer, or make a decision, or invite Jesus into their heart. It is a salvation based on a work of man…this is not found in the Bible.
    From Ephesians 2:1, ‘And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins’. Notice, who quickens? GOD! What are we? DEAD in sin! A dead person cannot bring themselves back to life.
    Also, reflect on this from Eph. 2: 8.9, ‘For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.’

    Not once in your previous post did you provide scripture to back anything you said. All you’ve posted is based on your opinion. Heed the word of the Lord, ‘There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.’
    How do we stay on the narrow path? “man doth not live by bread only, but by EVERY WORD that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.” Deut. 8:3
    When we stray from God’s word, we open the door for heresy and deception. 1 Peter 5:8 warns, ‘Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour’.
    Be a good berean and search the scriptures to see if what your pastor proclaims lines up word for word with God’s word.

  32. christ4ever,

    Just so I understand. You think it’s OK to play AC/DC music in church, but not pornography, because AC/DC music is less Satanic?

    Do yourself a favor. Go back and read through the comments that Lyn, Desert Pastor, and myself have written–comments which have been based on SCRIPTURE. We do not base our decisions on what is and is not appropriate in the house fo God based on our warm fuzzy feelings or in a vain attempt to be hip, cool, and relevant. We base those decisions on THE WORD OF GOD.

    Can you say you do the same thing?

  33. Stephen says:

    I have a couple of questions for those who are defending the use of heavy metal music in a church to “reach the lost”. My questions are not meant to attack Perry Noble’s preaching for I have not listened to his sermon. However, I spent over 20 years of my life being enslaved to Rock Music and the power of it’s message.

    First, Do you believe this music to be innocent and have no impact on lives? It is not neutral. It teaches rebellion, drunkenness, adultery, fornication, hatred, envy, rage, etc.. If you don’t believe me go look up the lyrics to some of the more popular AC/DC songs. It’s does not take a PHD or a THD to determine that these songs are a work of the flesh and Satan. Compare the music to the list of items found in Galatians 5 and Ephesians 5 (included below). Is the music of the Spirit or of the flesh and Satan? Answer that simple black and white question.

    Second, have you ever considered that this music could be a stumbling block to some members of the congregation? Scripture clearly teaches we should not use our freedom for a covering for evil (1 Peter 2:16) Have you ever been addicted to this music to the point that if you hear the first guitar lick that the song will stay in your head for several days/weeks? It makes taking every thought captive a challenge (2 Corinthians 10:5) Also, using this music calls into question that it might be ok to listen to this music since the church uses it. Now if the music is of the flesh and Satan then you are encouraging those who have struggled with this sinful behavior to stumble. It really makes dwelling on the things of God to be tough when you are listening to the things of this world. And it ignores the teaching of Philippians 4:8

    Finally, brethren, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good repute, if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, dwell on these things.

    I have placed some scriptures below for you to consider. Regardless of whether people are being saved at NewSpring, you have to realize that the music is evil. And using this music does not contribute to lost people being saved since faith comes ONLY by hearing the Word of God and not the music of AC/DC. Head the warning found in Isaiah 5:20
    Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness;

    ——————————————————-
    Galatians 5: 19-23
    19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
    20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
    21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
    22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
    23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

    Ephesians 5
    3But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
    4Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
    5For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
    6Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
    7Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
    8For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
    9(For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
    10Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
    11And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
    12For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.

    1 Peter 2:16
    Act as free men, and do not use your freedom as a covering for evil, but use it as bondslaves of God.

    Galatians 5:13-14
    13For you were called to freedom, brethren; only do not turn your freedom into an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. 14For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, “YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.”
    Also: 1 Corinthians 10:28-30

    [ Stumbling Blocks ]
    Matthew 18:7
    “Woe to the world because of its stumbling blocks! For it is inevitable that stumbling blocks come; but woe to that man through whom the stumbling block comes!

    Luke 17: 1He said to His disciples, “(A)It is inevitable that stumbling blocks come, but woe to him through whom they come!

  34. Stephen,

    Thank you for making some wonderful points about stumbling blocks, and NewSpring’s attitude of “Do as we say, not as we do” when it comes to Satanic music. Unfortunately, your use of Scripture may be counterproductive. As you can see from the responses from Noble’s defenders, they don’t seem to care too awful much about what the Scriptires say concerning what is acceptable in the church.

  35. AttemptingObjectivity says:

    Is it wrong, or I guess sinful, if I happen to listen to AC/DC from time to time? Musically I think their great. I don’t condone the lyrics but does that make me a Satan Worshiper?

  36. Dear AttemptingObjectivity (A.O.):

    Thanks for your comment.

    Let’s look at AC/DC for just a moment. They glorify darkness, Hell, sex, drugs, rebellion, sin, and everything else that’s antithetical to Christianity.

    Let’s look at God. He is holy, righteous, perfect, just, all light and no darkness.

    So the question is, what does light have to do with darkness? What relationship do the things of the Devil have to do with the things of God? What benefit is there in placing before you the lusts of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, and the sinful pride of life when Christians are called to be set apart from such things?

    In 2,000 years of church history the question of mixing blatant Satanic music, imagery, and behavior with the tings of God was a no-brainer. Now we have “churches” that are doing just that and if anyone dares to question them they’re quick with the “Pharisee” and “don’t judge” comments which reveal a woeful degree of biblical ignorance on their part.

    These so-called “churches” have succeeded in blurring the lines between black and white, dark and light so that many people are left scratching their heads wondering (as you are) if a Christian should or shouldn’t listen to music that glorifies and makes light of wickedness, sin, and evil.

    The American “churches” have done you wrong A.O. and I am sorry that it’s happened. And they continue to demonize and polarize those who stand for righteousness and holiness. Remember, Jesus said that IF you love Him you’ll follow His commands.

    And finally, just because someone listens to music that glorifies Satan (and is probably spawned by him) does not mean that the one listening to it is necessarily “worshiping” Satan.

    But also know this, billions of people will find themselves being cast into the lake of fire that never “worshiped” Satan. Sadly, this is true for many professing Christians as well.

    “But Lord, Lord!”
    Matthew 7:21-23

    – The Pilgrim

  37. Jeff H says:

    Hey christ4ever,

    Here is a quote that, I think, might help you see where we are coming from:

    The idea that the Christian message should be kept pliable and ambiguous seems especially attractive to young people who are in tune with the culture and in love with the spirit of the age and can’t stand to have authoritative biblical truth applied with precision as a corrective to worldly lifestyles, unholy minds, and ungodly behavior. And the poison of this perspective is being increasingly injected into the evangelical church body.

    – John MacArthur

  38. AttemptingObjectivity,

    I’m going to assume you are asking sincerely, and are like many who have never heard such truth. But really, your question answers itself. You admit that you can sit and listen and enjoy songs that glorify Satan, glorify sin, glorify Hell–simply because “It’s got a good beat and you can jam to it.” In other words, you are putting your own desires and your own feelings above those of Christ.

    You “don’t condone” their lyrics. If you are a Christian you should be furious at such lyrics!! I, frankly, do not believe that a person can claim to love Jesus while enjoying music that glorifies everything that He calls “evil.”

    I pray that you will see the truth, and repent.

  39. Truther says:

    I keep hearing that there are people that have come to salvation through these various ministries like Perry Nobles church and Mark Driscolls church. That may be so. God can and does work in many ways. When Joseph’s brothers sold him into slavery God did some incredible good through that, but does that excuse what the brothers did? I have heard of people finally stopping their rebellion of God because of a family member gunned down in the street. Does that excuse the murderer? Just because God may bring about good from the immoral, decadent ministries of these men does not excuse these men. I am so sick and tired of hearing about making the gospel relevant and making church interesting. John 6:44 says that “No one can come to Me unless the Father draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.” It is the height of arrogance and pride to think that we can win someone to Christ through even the best of actions. We are merely being obediant to God, and hope that through God’s power, not the power of man, our incompetant actions may be used by the Almighty to draw people to Christ. It does not matter if a church has the driest, most boring sermons and singing in the world, if someone is drawn to Christ by the Father, a person will come in and be saved. Charles Spurgeon finally understood what salvation was be the preaching of a deacon that filled the pulpit due to a snowstorm. I heard of another great preacher, I forget who, that was saved because of a Sunday School teacher stopping by his work during the week and mumbling something totally forgetable. The Bible says that the earth proclaims the Glory of God, that the stones would cry out if the people would not. If God can use a rock, He can use a heretic. But the rock is still a rock, and the heretic is still a heretic.

  40. reformed says:

    I have been very interested in new spring criticisms since i heard about this recent “scandal.” I read James Duncan’s blog (which I think everyone should read, just google his name). I was once a new spring attender, I went there in 2001 when I attended the then Anderson College. Every service I went in miserable as usual, no joy in my life, but then the music started playing and i got the warm fuzzies and started “feeling” good. After many services of “feeling” good, I decided that I needed to get baptized because that’s what Perry told me to do. I remember I had to fill out this piece of paper so Perry could read it and determine if I really was saved. I wrote the typical BS. So, on my birthday in 2001 i was baptized. I thought I would come up out of the water with a feeling of being complete, or being full of God, or at least that I would have those warm fuzzies all the time..not just while singing at church. Well, big surprise, I was just as miserable as when I went in the water. That was devastating to me. I went on to almost fail out of college, party all the time, started smoking, got raped, hated everyone, and blamed everyone else, especially Perry Noble. He promised me something, and then he didnt deliver. I hated him.
    Now, years later, God has changed my heart. Praise Him. I dont have that hate in my heart. Some bitterness, yes. However, I say all of that so maybe the New Spring followers can have an example of someone who went there, heard the preaching, heard the singing, and was miserable! Faith comes from hearing the Word of God, right? I mean, if you believe what the Bible says then you will agree with me. But, thats not what you get there. I actually had someone from New Spring tell me one time that getting “deep” doesnt save people. I couldnt believe it!! That goes completely against scripture. I also disagree with the “topics” that Perry loves to preach on. I think that you go to church to be fed, to be encouraged by the Word, and to be ready to go into the world and preach the good news. How is having a series on “dont get married until you deal with your baggage” have anything to do with the gospel? How does that equip you? I think they are important issues that all humans deal with, but we can discuss these things in other settings.
    I guess I could go on forever…I’ll stop here. Any thoughts? I know I kinda changed the subject, but I meant for it to also apply to the comments on music.

  41. Any thoughts? I know I kinda changed the subject, but I meant for it to also apply to the comments on music.

    Actually, you hit the nail right on the head. The problem with so many “churches” these days (BitterSpring being one of them) is they put too much emphasis on what they call “worship”–which is exactly what you described. The whole notion of “The music makes me feel so good!” Then the pastor stands up there and gives a 20-minute pep talk that is supposed to make a person feel good about themselves for a little while–but then, like you, they walk in next Sunday morning feeling miserable, so they need that next 20-minute pep talk to feel good about themselves. Repeat weekly.

    Here’s what Noble doesn’t understand. When a body that claims to be the church gathers together, the purpose is to equip and edify the body of Christ. Ephesians 4:11-12–And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ.

    I praise God for bringing you out of your depths, and into the glorious light that is our Lord Jesus Christ, to see that following Christ isn’t all about us. It is all about shining a spotlight on Him and His perfect work on the cross, that we may have an example to follow (1st Peter 2:21).

  42. revivalandreformation says:

    I just read this post (I’m a little behind the curve…), and it reminds me of a few “interesting experiments” that two local churches (I’m from Canada, eh?) and one from the UK. One church here had a stripteasing woman pastor up on stage who took off items of clothing that had different stumbling blocks printed on them (pride, ego, sins…) and when she got down to the “nitty gritty”, shall we say, that’s when the congregation (mostly men of course) got to see the Gospel message… instead of what the men wanted to see of course.
    Another church had different themes every Sunday. There was 50’s garage day with leather jackets, jukeboxes, cool cars and hot chicks to lure in the people. He then had cowboy day with all that encompasses the cowboy’s world, and the list went on. Whatever works and whatever entices the world, right? Then there’s the church over in England that promised free beer and hotdogs (if I remember correctly), to bring back the men. I imagine the pastor used some Scripture to soften the effect of the experiment. There’s a church in the States that offers services to those who are attending the ajoining nudist colony, I can imagine the Scripture that pastor used in his sermons…the apostasy is growing like wildfire. You would almost think the Holy Spirit has been pulled back somewhat the way things are going. I mean my goodness, what’s next? Never mind don’t tell me…

  43. GC2012 says:

    B4 u judge listen to the WHOLE sermon, he played the song and people got saved and heaven was populated that day because they realized where they were really going “hell”. I did preached on broken dream and used the green day song boulevard of broken dream and talked how people who don’t know Christ and people who do have broken dreams. After the message people responded and had 1critic and that person was heard and when explained the point they understood. People are looking for answers not religious junk. U may agree and u may not but what is the outcome and is it worth someone getting saved? YES it is worth it.

  44. RS says:

    GC2012:

    You’re right. People are looking for answers, not “religious junk” as you say. But too often they are looking for “answers” that fit their lifestyle or paradigm. What they need is truth, and where can real, trustworthy truth be found if not in the whole counsel of God’s Word (“thy word is truth”)? “Religious junk” is not proclaiming what God has said in His Word. Religious junk would be any spiritual information or technique that is outside of, and in conflict with, what God has so proclaimed and set forth in His Word. Religious junk would be like attempting to use the words and/or philosophies of those who are not followers of Christ (and thus by biblical definition going to hell) as a form of religious truth. Religious junk would be a compromising, worldly, “spirituality” that causes anyone to think they are saved when they have not understood nor followed God’s revealed way of repentance, dying to self, picking up one’s cross, and following Jesus according to His Word. Just sayin…

  45. GC2012 says:

    I have a great idea.. If all we ever do is critique every person that preaches the gospel or has a ” mega church” then let’s stop preaching and proclaiming the gospel. Seems no one is really looking at the way people are being saved. People’s ears are being tickled about what they want to hear as many people on here would say. The sad thing is a lot of u that critique people on how they teach the word would do the exact thing to Jesus if he was on the earth today.

    Jesus had a mega church and when he started to preach it dwindled down to 12 . People are not going to like the truth when it is spoken, he even had his own critics called the pharasees and a lot of you act just like them.. Instead of tearing down the people God has commanded that u pray for and support uplift them.

    Looks like the same way people treated our military men and women in the past and even some today. They fight for our freedom so we can have a freedom to do what we do and all we do is complain.

    So either let’s pray and support these guys like perry noble , Joel osteen Robert Morris , etc etc of let’s just close the churches down and let the people who do not know Jesus go to hell and us be responsible for that.. We can go ahead and tell God the way Jesus was preached was not good enough for us and we felt til it was done by the “book of our way” we figured to let a lot of people go to hell..

  46. Linda says:

    GC2012 said–“B4 u judge listen to the WHOLE sermon, he played the song and people got saved and heaven was populated that day because they realized where they were really going “hell”.

    How do you know they were saved? What’s the evidence? The Holy Spirit does not work using means and utilitarian ways that are contrary to sound doctrine and uncouth. God does not bless unbiblical methods-the Gospel does not rest on man’s wisdom –it rests on the Power of GOD unto salvation.

    That’s like saying let’s preach the Gospel by pulling out a Ouija board. ~

    To even suggest that God does use such perverse ungodly means is totally contrary to the very character of who God IS-Holy Is the LORD. God’s WORD says otherwise,, “The preaching of the gospel is foolishness to those who are perishing but for those who are being saved it is the POWER OF GOD”-Rom.1:16

    GC2012 said–“Instead of tearing down the people God has commanded that u pray for and support uplift them.”

    Jesus did not pray for the world-John 17:9. God has not commanded that we pray for people who are ungodly and proving by their fruit they are wolves in sheep’s clothing neither such as Perry Noble. If God moves on a Christian’s heart to pray for certain false teachers then that’s God’s right to do so.

  47. GC2012 says:

    So who are you to judge the hearts of men and women who convert to Jesus? Doen’t it say you will know them by their fruit? Doesn’t it say preach the gospel no matter what? Be a co laborer of the gospel not s thorn in the side. People with large churches are reaching people it their job to reach them and it God’s job to save them. Just because you don’t hear from them personally doesn’t mean lives haven’t been changed. How do u know if you are a Christian ? Did u pray the prayer? Did you go to a church? How can I believe you? I will have to take you at your word and see the fruit in your life, well how do we know people have been saved look at the fruit in the church he is pastor ing. If that is not enough then you should maybe continue to whine and cry about how wrong it is and in the end see if it is really worth all this he didn’t do everything the way I wanted him to . I want control of how people get saved. Also I have read every comment and every comment has the same content in it.

  48. Every comment does not have the same content, reformed’s comment is a testimony to the false teachings of Noble’s church. Here is a snippet…

    “I remember I had to fill out this piece of paper so Perry could read it and determine if I really was saved. I wrote the typical BS. So, on my birthday in 2001 i was baptized. I thought I would come up out of the water with a feeling of being complete, or being full of God, or at least that I would have those warm fuzzies all the time..not just while singing at church. Well, big surprise, I was just as miserable as when I went in the water. That was devastating to me. I went on to almost fail out of college, party all the time, started smoking, got raped, hated everyone, and blamed everyone else, especially Perry Noble. He promised me something, and then he didnt deliver. I hated him.”

    This man was led to believe being baptized would change him, as his comment atttests to. Here lies the problem…salvation is a supernatural work of God, not man. Regeneration is God’s work and is manifested by a fleeing from sin, a striving for holiness, pure speech {not calling people jack#@%es}, denying self and following Christ. The true Gospel being proclaimed is what changes men, not water baptism.

    Rather than defend this man, I encourage you to open God’s word and search His truth. How do you know you aren’t being deceived?

  49. GC2012 says:

    So are u telling me that since you became a Christian bad things have happened to you and you get baptized even worse has happened to you? Whatever happened to you sucked but you have to realize when you get saved and then you get baptized things do not get easy. They didn’t for me and they didn’t for Jesus. It not a matter of us trying to change ourselves Jesus has to change you and you have to be willing to let him change you. I am not going to swap story for story with you but you have to take responsibility for some things and the big thing is you have to FORGIVE and you have to do it on a daily basis. You have to allow the power of God to work instead of wanting everything right away. You got saved and baptized take it one step and like i said earlier what happened sucks but you can’t blame a person for telling you what the bible says. Its like telling a cop not to give u a ticket for speeding or telling your boss don’t pay me for my service. 1 u got busted by the cop for speeding and you get a ticket. 2 when you work u get pd and you take it. That’s life you never know what you are gonna get..

    And the jackass comment I totally agree with mr. Noble…. People that constantly criticize just make people not want to come to the cross . What point are people trying to prove I am more spiritual than u and what I say Is better? They need to be co laborers instead of jackasses. Thats just the way I feel.

  50. You missed the whole point, reformed was led to believe that baptism would save him. He also had to fill out a piece of paper for Noble to determine if he was saved, can you tell me where I would find this in God’s word as well as baptism being the key to being saved?
    You also claim ‘It not a matter of us trying to change ourselves Jesus has to change you and you have to be willing to let him change you.’ Wrong, you have no free will to stop God from doing as He pleases. You do not understand the sovereignty of Almighty God. I encourage you to read Ezekiel 36:26-27 and see who gets credit for changing a sinner from the inside out.

    This is what is wrong with preachers like Noble. they lead you to believe you have the ability to choose salvation. Salvation is not a choice made by humans, it is a supernatural work of God as He regenerates the dead in sin sinner {which is what Christ meant in John 3:3.} If you would have read reformed’s comment, you would have read this, “Now, years later, God has changed my heart.” That is a simple definition of being born again by God.
    Everything Noble told this man was not empowered by the Spirit of God, Noble churns out false converts. The true Gospel isn’t a decision we make, or a choice, nor do we invite Jesus into our hearts or perform any other work, the true Gospel is about the hopeless condition of sinners who cannot save themselves; Christ is the propitiation for sinners who God saves by His grace. I encourage you to read Ephesians 2:8-9, in these verses you will see who gets credit for saving sinners.

  51. GC2012 says:

    Did u ask noble himself if he did that or are u going off of what someone said was their experience?? Members that are mad at a church cause something happened to them is not the churches fault. Why did all that stuff happen to them maybe they put themselves in that position like failing out of school, is that the churches fault no or go into things they shouldn’t have when are people gonna take some responsibility for what they do. I am not being insensitive or mean its just people have to be responsible… I have made dumb mistakes and I am saved and i am baptized but is the church and my pastor responsible for my actions no I am.

    Jesus gets the credit through the conviction of the H. S. and we have to choose on a daily basis whom we will serve because things happen.

  52. GC,
    It seems pointless to continue this debate, you base your comments on your opinion. I have given you verses from God’s word that defy preaching like Noble’s, and yet, you defend him. This is very dangerous, when we defend mortal men w/o checking their preaching against the word of God, we enter into a very dangerous area.
    As for choosing daily whom we will serve, where is your scripture to back this? Yes, we can rebel and disobey because of our flesh, and God will deal with His people if they continue on in such rebellion. The Spirit comes along and convicts the believer when they sin, leading them to repentance and confession.

    You have given no scriptural basis for what Noble preaches or for your own beliefs, other than you’ve been baptized and are saved. Are you saying your baptism shores up your salvation?

    What is the Gospel GC?

  53. GC2012 says:

    This isn’t a debate it’s a matter of what I have heard preached. Everything the guy preaches is based in the bible. U tend to think because he or any other preacher that does not preach or do things the way you want is ungodly, false teacher , false prophet, false everything. I can give scriptures but what for the bible is not up for debate or what scripture can I out bible you with. Look just because we don’t spend 4 hrs preaching a Sunday does not make us more Spritual or less Spritual thats what monday – saturday is for .. The pulpit changes with the times but the message is still the same. Methods are gonna change over time, if God allowed him to do highway to hell then let God deal with him who are you to judge, what is In the heart of man. The sad thing is when someone has a difference of opinion that you have or any other critic has its your way or no way and that’s the way its gonna be. You sit there and tell us how we are decieved because we don’t agree with u. Why make the gospel difficult make it to where people. Can understand and there are times people need to hear things from a different perspective. Use a secular song or a art form that is not gonna cause you to sin. Playing a song is not the end of the world God did not fall off His throne he is still sitting on it. Look I have had a worse situation than that of a song I was inviting someone to church and did it for 2 months he finally chose to come only if I would go to a strip club with him and he would pay for everything. Did I go no, was I worth it no, would he have come if I had gone maybe but those are things you have to look at what’s good whats safe and what will eventually bring them to Jesus. Like I said I am not defending him I have just heard the messages that he has preached and heard it with on open heart and mind it’s my choice to choose what is recieved and I check it with the bible and it is in there everything that is preached by him . so why am I decieved?

  54. “Playing a song is not the end of the world God did not fall off His throne he is still sitting on it.” Why didn’t you go to the strip club, then? God wouldn’t fall off His throne if you did, He would still be sitting on it.

    “if God allowed him to do highway to hell then let God deal with him who are you to judge, what is In the heart of man.” Let’s change that: “If God allowed someone to go to a strip club then let God deal with him who are you to judge, what is in the heart of man.”

    If we take out the song and put in the strip club, we quickly see the value of these arguments. You believe the strip club is wrong, so you would not go. I am very glad. Apparently, you do not believe the music is wrong. That is too bad, for the music is very, very wrong. But your arguments completely miss the only question — is the music wrong? If it is, everything you’ve said is pointless.

    It is right and appropriate to warn against those who claim to be pastors, who say some things that are true, but do wicked things. Paul did it all the time, telling who the dangerous men were. Christ did too, criticizing the Pharisees (who said a lot of true things and had converts, just like Noble). I Timothy 5 is very clear that church leaders who do wrong are to be rebuked publicly. Nobody gets a pass because they are a good teacher or someone gets saved when they preach. Nobody.

    I’m a pastor, and I hope if I ever adopt sinful practices that I get thrown out, that no one ever says, “Oh, but people got saved when he preached” or “Oh, but he’s such a good teacher.” That would be a load of rubbish.

    As for judging the heart, I don’t know Perry Noble’s heart, nor do you. I can evaluate what he does and says and speak to that without worrying about his heart. Whether he has good intentions or not is the grand irrelevance. To slightly modify an expression, the Highway to Hell is paved with good intentions. God’s Word, not man’s intentions, is the standard by which actions should be judged.

  55. Since when does God, who is thrice holy, condone AC/DC, who are a group of unregenerates whose lyrics have no place in a worship service?
    I will re-post from the original post some of the lyrics to their song ‘Highway to Hell’…

    Living easy, living free
    Season ticket on a one-way ride
    Asking nothing, leave me be
    Taking everything in my stride
    Dont need reason, dont need rhyme
    Aint nothing I would rather do
    Going down, party time
    My friends are gonna be there too

    No stop signs, speed limit
    Nobodys gonna slow me down
    Like a wheel, gonna spin it
    Nobodys gonna mess me round
    Hey Satan, payed my dues
    Playing in a rocking band
    Hey momma, look at me
    Im on my way to the promised land

    GC, you lack discernment; the issue isn’t knowing the ‘heart’ of Noble, or your heart. Heart means mind in the original language, so yes, we can know someone’s heart because how they act and speak reflects whether or not God has regenerated their mind. You can talk the talk, as Noble does, but the walk must match the talk. To play this satanic music in a worship setting is very telling.

    Noble is indeed hung up on baptism, as his church’s website proves, “The Bible clearly teaches that baptism is the first step of obedience after making a commitment to Christ. Baptism allows a believer to communicate to the world their heart-felt commitment to Christ.” I would like to know what verse in scripture states we must be baptized as the first step of obedience. So Christ was lying to the thief on the cross? As for ‘making a commitment’, there it is…you must do something, you must commit to Christ. Trouble is, you can’t unless God has first regenerated you. I find no verse that states baptism as a way of communicating to the world my ‘heartfelt’ commitment to Christ. First of all, the world doesn’t care because the world hates Christ and His followers {John 15:19}.

    You would do well to debate using the word of God instead of worldly scenarios.
    And please, stop misusing the term ‘judge’, you have no clue what it means biblically, you just throw it out there not realizing you are doing the very thing you accuse us of doing.

    God will not empower false teachers to bring sinners to Christ, Noble is not qualified to be an elder {see 1 Timothy 3}, however, without God’s gift of discernment, it’s unlikely you will see why he isn’t qualified since you uphold him over the word of the Lord and His command to ‘be holy for I am holy’.

  56. SB8669 says:

    Someone should ask perry if part of his anger towards traditional churches could stem from being fired from griffin baptist church because of his non biblical tactics when he was a youth minister.

  57. journeyman says:

    Lyn- “however, without God’s gift of discernment, it’s unlikely you will see why he isn’t qualified since you uphold him over the word of the Lord and His command to ‘be holy for I am holy”

    this is a circular logic argument that is inherently flawed and an improper way of conducting a discussion. you are basically saying, “he’s wrong because he is, and unless you have God you won’t see it and if you don’t see it you don’t have God like I do” careful to how you accidentally.

    this conversation turned into people throwing stones, there is no love in this. they are brothers and sisters whether you like it or not. God will ultimately judge. if you have a problem with him, follow the biblical method for confrontation.

    but seriously guys and gals this is all just a bunch of hate. God is kind, his correction is kind even when it hurts. let him do the correcting, (if need be) and you guys spread what you believe to be true instead of trashing a movement of God (if it is).

    one last rhetorical question, why do we find it so hard to love the church? family is messy, uncle ted is a crazy pentecostal, and susie lou shares fire and brimstone without grace and total legalism. Let’s love them both.

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