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And the most admired hero in America is . . .

american-idolAccording to a recent Harris Poll, the following people are the top ten most admired heroes in American:

10. Mother Teresa

09. Chesley Sullenberger

08. John F. Kennedy

07. John McCain

06. Abraham Lincoln

05. George W. Bush

04. Ronald Reagan

03. Martin Luther King Jr.

02. Jesus Christ

01. Barack Hussein Obama

Yes America, Barack Obama is bigger than the Beatles!

26 comments on “And the most admired hero in America is . . .

  1. I find it interesting that George W. Bush is in the top ten, considering how much he’s been vilified and supposedly hated.

  2. Oh man…..HOW IN THE HECK CAN BARRACK BE MORE HEROIC THAN JESUS?!?!?!?!?

    Stupid…..fad….ugh.

    It’s saddening.

  3. This is no surprise at all, what would you expect in America? When we have professing believers defend the likes of Rick Warren, Mark Driscoll, Dunn and Crowder…the list goes on and on…as well as defend ‘spoof’ videos from ‘churches’ {and I use the term churches loosely} as ‘satire’ and ‘humor’, this is what you get. Anything goes, let’s keep it soft, comfortable, and ‘easy on the ear’. Let’s all just ‘get along’ regardless whether our beliefs line up with scripture or not. Let’s condone blashemy, let’s ridicule and laugh at the state of the church, let’s allow smut in the pulpit…after all, you gotta be like the culture to reach them, right?
    It is because of the tolerance of all the garbage out there that labels itself ‘Christian’, we now have a poll like this. These same ‘Christians’ who defend garbage are now appalled at such a poll…go figure!

  4. “These same ‘Christians’ who defend garbage are now appalled at such a poll…go figure!”

    0_0…………

  5. This poll shows off the human state. Go figure.

    Lyn,

    Christians defend those types that you mentioned because they, if they are anything like me, don’t characterize another Christian by some of their sins or errors in judgment. If those people preached a false doctrine, then there would be cause for denouncing that brand. Otherwise, no denunciation is needed. But falsely vilifying those on your list doesn’t reference the more enduring qualities of these guys. Which isn’t Christian charity. Their failures and faults aren’t excusable, but they should not label their legacy. And I think your “hit” remark was off topic with this particular posting. Maybe you’re referencing those silly videos?

    ___________________________________________________________________

    Lynn,

    I’m sorry, I need to retract something. I didn’t read a previous post very well. About John Crowder and Dunn, I don’t think there is much to defend with those guys. I don’t know much about them, but those videos show bad judgment on their part, to say the least. Considering that I don’t know their teaching and have no context thereof, I will leave my statement bare.

  6. “Christians defend those types that you mentioned because they, if they are anything like me, don’t characterize another Christian by some of their sins or errors in judgment.”

    I rest my case.

    ___________________________________________________________________

    May I ask, why do you emergent, seeker sensitive, new age types come here? Never do you stand solely on Gods’ word; your whole purpose is to defend a pastor, arguing that he/she is ‘biblical’ in their preaching. YET, you never present your case solely on scripture. You defend their ‘character’, and use the worn out ‘judgmental’ accusation repeatedly.
    Then, somebody does a silly poll, like this one, and your jaws drop when you see a mortal man is more admired than the Lord Jesus Christ. THEN, instead of being shamed by this, you read posts such as mine, get fired up, and start defending your apostate pastor[s] all over again!! You and your apostate preachers are the reason why American Christianity is in such a shambles! You all insist on dragging the world into the church, being cool, talking culturally, reaching out ‘mans’ way’, and all the while, the road to hell is filled to the brim.

  7. “May I ask, why do you emergent, seeker sensitive, new age types come here?”

    May I ask, why do you automatically assume we’re seeker sensitive? Or emergent? And New Age? Man, that’s just slander.

    “Never do you stand solely on Gods’ word; your whole purpose is to defend a pastor, arguing that he/she is ‘biblical’ in their preaching. ”

    Wrong. I have used Scripture many times to make my cases. You have not used much Scripture either, and even when you have, it’s been out of context.

    “You defend their ‘character’, and use the worn out ‘judgmental’ accusation repeatedly.”

    And you attack their character and use the worn out ‘heresy’ and superficial argument. This works both ways.

    “Then, somebody does a silly poll, like this one, and your jaws drop when you see a mortal man is more admired than the Lord Jesus Christ. ”

    Because I honestly thought, (silly me) that Jesus was still held at least a little more than Barrack. How wrong I was…..

    “THEN, instead of being shamed by this, you read posts such as mine, get fired up, and start defending your apostate pastor[s] all over again!!”

    What? You’re the one who linked our stupid video debate over here, and then slandered me by calling me a ‘Christian’ with an emphasis on the apostrophes! Don’t you dare try and turn this around, especially when you STILL have not answered my question about how posting here brings glory to God.

    “You and your apostate preachers are the reason why American Christianity is in such a shambles!”

    I could just as easily say it’s you and your ‘pharisitical’ ways that are the reason, stop accusing the brethren, especially when you don’t even know me or my Church.

    ” You all insist on dragging the world into the church, being cool, talking culturally, reaching out ‘mans’ way’, and all the while, the road to hell is filled to the brim.”

    Again, Lyn, stop slandering.

    God bless.

  8. You say, “May I ask, why do you automatically assume we’re seeker sensitive? Or emergent? And New Age? Man, that’s just slander”
    Did I include your name personally? Also, define, from scripture, whom I have slandered and how.

    Also give evidence to support this, ‘ You have not used much Scripture either, and even when you have, it’s been out of context.’

    As for this accusation, ‘when you STILL have not answered my question about how posting here brings glory to God’—my reply is this, Posting truth to those who oppose what is put on this site is indeed glorifying God, pointing out heresy and defending against it biblically is glorifying God.

    Now, as for the accusations of slander against me…

    My statement in regards to Driscoll comes from the evidence from Steve Camp’s site where he posts this,’ “An “Under 17 Requires Adult Permission” warning flashes before the video cuts to evening services at Mars Hill, where an anonymous audience member has just text-messaged a question to the screen onstage: “Pastor Mark, is masturbation a valid form of birth control?”

    Driscoll doesn’t miss a beat: “I had one guy quote Ecclesiastes 9:10, which says, ‘Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might.’ ” The audience bursts out laughing.

    ‘For the record… this is not funny; it’s tragic’…from Steve Camp. Read the post in its entirety at http://stevenjcamp.blogspot.com/2009/01/grudge-report-inaugural-post-todays.html
    Now, going to the word of God, we find this, ” Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.” Ephesians 4:29
    Also, this from Colossians 3:8, ‘But now you must put them all away: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and obscene talk from your mouth.’ According to God’s own word, Driscoll has broken these commandments, so I certainly see no slander there.

    As for Crowder and Dunn, their referencing to the Lord Jesus Christ as ‘Jehovahuana’ is blasphemous. The word of God says, ‘ “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.” Exodus 20:7
    There is a picture of Crowder and Dunn ‘toking the Holy Ghost’ at http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/08/10/james-goll-tokin-the-holy-ghost-with-john-crowder-ben-dunn/ {I only reference to this link for this picture}
    Again, this act is blasphemous, linking what is holy with an act of disgust; someone who smokes marijuana, which produces a short term affect on the senses and mind. We aren’t to use ‘stimulants’ to produce the effects of the Holy Spirit. Ephesians 5:18 gives us an example of one such ‘stimulant’, ” And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit”. The filling of the Holy Spirit isn’t man-induced, to say, act, or think so is sinful. So, according to God’s own word, no slander on my part.
    Last on my list of named apostates was Rick Warren. Warren has stated he is not opposed to homosexual partnerships, he does oppose homosexual marriage { http://truediscernment.wordpress.com/2008/12/31/in-his-own-wordsrick-warren-is-not-opposed-to-homosexual-partnerships/ }. What’s the word of God say about homosexuality? ” Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.” Leviticus 18:22
    There’s also this from 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, ” Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”
    What does God’s word say about all who preach a different gospel? ” As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. ” Galatians 1:9

    So, if these accursed men are preaching a different gospel, and someone follows that preaching, what can be said of such a person? “for wide [is] the gate and broad [is] the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.” Matthew 7:13

    You simply cannot straddle a fence, either you stand firmly on Gods’ word alone, or you don’t. This is a gem from J.C. Ryle, ‘It is true, that the greatest heresies have crept into the Church of Christ by means of ordained men! False doctrine does not meet men face to face, and proclaim that it is false. It does not blow a trumpet before it, and endeavor openly to turn us away from the truth as it is in Jesus. It does not come before men in broad day, and summon them to surrender. It approaches us secretly, quietly, insidiously, plausibly, and in such a way as to disarm man’s suspicion, and throw him off his guard. It is the wolf in sheep’s clothing, and Satan in the garb of an angel of light, who have always proved the most dangerous foes of the Church of Christ. ‘

  9. Lyn,

    In a shallow defense of how you quoted me out of context, I was referring to those that are not false teachers. If they bear witness to the truth, that is sound teaching, also in a manner that doesn’t offend that sound teaching, then their errors in judgment from an outsiders point of view should not characterize your vision of them or slander the good fruit being produced. You disagree that there is good fruit, sound teaching, and presentations that are holy. I deduce from your rantings that you care more for suits, ties and organs than Scripture. I am probably wrong about that deduction about you, and you are dead wrong with your assumption about me.

    The rest of that post lays out context so that one sentence doesn’t have to mean what you are implying it means.

    I read Steve Camp’s posts and find him shortsighted, out of context, and prone to libel concerning Driscoll. I would rather trust Scripture’s analysis which Steve Camp has missed.

    Me, being emergent? I am not this whatsoever. New Age? Nope, I’m not that either. The defense is never for a pastor but for refuting the use of Scripture out of context to libel someone who uses Scripture soundly in both word and deed. I love the Bible. And when I read Steve Camp and Challies’ webpages and John MacArthur’s quote (which, by the way, is out of date because of Mark Driscoll’s repentance in some areas) I thought, “Wow, here are people I would normally agree with, but who have distorted Scripture and MD’s teaching.”

    I have already laid out a defense somewhere else. Other people have as well. I think they did a better job than me. I just ask that you do your own scholarly research in Scripture and in these men’s teaching, if you so desire. I think you will discover that there is a pale of orthodoxy that has what you might say, two circles. The inner one being doctrine that marks every Christian, authority of Scripture, the Trinity, the transcendent God, etc. . . The outer being that which resides minor differences such as cessation, methodology, calvinism vs. arminianism, etc. . .

    I think you will find that many of your disagreements fall within the pale of orthodoxy. It is true that certain teachers do not. This world is full of false teachers. But be careful and correct, Kenneth Copeland’s Jesus is obviously not the Jesus of the Bible, but Mark Driscoll’s is. I could lay out Scripture again, but this isn’t the place for another defense of another preacher. There are better forums for it.

    I don’t defend Crowder or Dunn’s preaching by the way. And I don’t agree with everything that Rick Warren says. I won’t vilify Warren although.

  10. sjones~ Driscoll spews out filth, in reference to making light of masturbation, and you think he is genuine. Now, I have already given God’s word concerning such talk…Driscoll is guilty of breaking these commands by addressing masturbation, joking about it, and giving a passage, MUCH out of context, concerning this sin. AND STILL, you think it’s okay to break the commands of God’s word. “Why do you call me ‘Lord Lord’ and DO NOT DO the things which I say?” -Luke 6:46
    From John 14:15, Jesus commands this, ‘”If you love Me, keep My commandments.”
    That means letting no obscene talk come from your lips–i.e.-“Pastor Mark, is masturbation a valid form of birth control?” Driscoll doesn’t miss a beat: “I had one guy quote Ecclesiastes 9:10, which says, ‘Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might.’ ” The audience bursts out laughing.
    HOW DO YOU DEFEND THIS? USE SCRIPTURE, QUOTING VERSE AND CHAPTER.

    The Apostle Paul says this concerning elders, ‘Let the elders who rule well be counted worthy of double honor, especially those who labor in the word and doctrine.’
    Where in God’s word is the issue of sex and masturbation taught in a lighthearted manner, or any manner, by the Apostles or by the Lord Jesus Christ?
    James gives this warning concerning teachers, “My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment.” Now, just what might he be referring to when he says, ‘ shall receive stricter judgment’? He is referring to the doctrine they teach, is it strictly biblical? Or has it been tainted with worldliness?
    Where in the bible is birth control taught? And where is fulfilling ones’ lust by masturbation addressed ?

    The Apostle Paul also teaches, ‘Be ye followers of me, even as I also [am] of Christ’ 1 Cor. 1:11
    Again, where in scripture does Paul, Peter, James, John, or the Lord Jesus Christ teach on masturbation, or on the need for birth control?

    Mark Driscoll needs to heed this from 1 Cor. 4:6, ‘Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, “Do not go beyond what is written.”

    Mark Driscoll needs to repent of his dragging sexual lust into the pulpit, not addressing it according to the scriptures, but choosing to make a joke out of it, and quoting holy writ out of context.

    “For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s.” 1 Cor. 6:20

  11. “Did I include your name personally?”

    Then who were you referring too? You stated your question to people whose ‘jaws dropped’ at polls. Furthermore, you specifically brought up our video debate and my defense of it as a mark of ‘professing Christianity. Seeing as how I was the only one who did both(until Sjones came along) how in good conscience can you say you didn’t mean me? If not, why even write it? What’s the point?

    “Also, define, from scripture, whom I have slandered and how.”

    First off, you slandered me and Sjones. You called us both New agers and emergent. Neither of us are. The dictionary defines slander as “:a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or report” Since you then went on to accuse us of being the reason that Christianity is ‘in shambles’.
    James 4:11, Leviticus 19:16, 1 Timothy 3:11 are just a few verses that come to mind….

    “Also give evidence to support this, ‘ You have not used much Scripture either, and even when you have, it’s been out of context.’”

    You twisted Matthew 6:1-4 when you criticized the Church that made the Pastors who will do anything. This verse is NOT speaking against letting people know the services you and your church provide, it is a warning against doing it for PRIDEFUL reasons
    http://www.tektonics.org/gk/gooddeedshow.html

    “my reply is this, Posting truth to those who oppose what is put on this site is indeed glorifying God, pointing out heresy and defending against it biblically is glorifying God.”

    Thank you for answering. :)

    “Now, as for the accusations of slander against me…”

    No no no, I was not accusing you of slandering Mark Driscoll, Rick Warren or any of those men. I was pointing out your slander of me and Sjones. I believe Rick and Mark both need to repent, and the Dunn guy is extremely Blasphemous, so we agree on something. :)

    “You simply cannot straddle a fence, either you stand firmly on Gods’ word alone, or you don’t.”

    Amen. But God’s Word also says not to slander, and to work to restore your brethren. I would like to see more of that. Let us all pray for those in ministry, that God would grant repentance to those that are in error, and give grace to His people.

    If you truly did not intend for me to be slandered, than I apologize and ask your forgiveness.

    God Bless.

  12. By your OWN ADMISSION, you BOTH put yourselves into the category of new age, emergent, seeker sensitive believers…then you accuse me of slander! My posts mentioned NO ONE by name. However, if you align with these types, then yes, you would of been included in my original post. No slander there, but nice try. It isn’t ‘slander’ to point out erroneous teachers, or followers of such. BTW- the biblical definition for slander is as follows, ‘blasphemia-feminine noun-slander, detraction, speech injurious, to another’s good name. Where have I specifically spoken against either of you, your name, or character? My postings have ALWAYS been against what you DEFEND, NOT your personal selves. Your accusations are without warrant.

    As for the reference to Matthew 6:1-4, this church stated “we do financially support widows, give coats to kids living in poverty, bus in children to attend children’s services,
    feed the hungry twice weekly, and cooperate with other area churches to provide food for families who need it”
    The Bible tells us NOT to boast about our works…all who do have received their reward in full.
    Now, you say I have twisted these passages concerning this church’s boasting, the burden of proof is on you to show how I’ve done what you accuse me of…and not by posting a link. Exegete from the scriptures my error.

    Here is part of what I posted originally, ‘When we have PROFESSING BELIEVERS defend the likes of Rick Warren, Mark Driscoll, Dunn and Crowder…the list goes on and on…as well as defend ’spoof’ videos from ‘churches’ {and I use the term churches loosely} as ’satire’ and ‘humor’, this is what you get.”
    I stand by this statement…the results of this poll speak for themselves.
    I would rather cry out to God for truth, discernment, and understanding than to continue on in defending half-truths {which is no truth at all}, mockery, and folly.

  13. “By your OWN ADMISSION, you BOTH put yourselves into the category of new age, emergent, seeker sensitive believers”

    I have done no such thing. As I’ve said before, who were you referring too if not me? And if you weren’t referring to anyone in particular, why did you post it?

    “It isn’t ’slander’ to point out erroneous teachers, or followers of such.”

    It’s slander to falsely accuse someone of such, furthermore, it’s slanderous to say that we are the reason christianity is in shambles.

    “My postings have ALWAYS been against what you DEFEND, NOT your personal selves.”

    Wrong. You make assumptions on our character when you say things like “Never do you stand solely on God’s word” and “you and your apostate pastors are the reason Christianity is in shambles.” Sorry, that counts as a assumption against character, especially since it’s without warrant.

    “The Bible tells us NOT to boast about our works…all who do have received their reward in full.”

    There is a difference between boasting and describing your services that your Church provides. I fail to see how this counts as the former.

    “Now, you say I have twisted these passages concerning this church’s boasting, the burden of proof is on you to show how I’ve done what you accuse me of…and not by posting a link”

    Do you even read the links I post? If you did, maybe you would have found the answer to that question already. It goes into detail, using Scripture in context, to show why. The burden of proof is also on you to show how that Church is ‘boasting’.

    “Here is part of what I posted originally, ‘When we have PROFESSING BELIEVERS defend the likes of Rick Warren, Mark Driscoll, Dunn and Crowder…the list goes on and on…as well as defend ’spoof’ videos from ‘churches’ {and I use the term churches loosely} as ’satire’ and ‘humor’, this is what you get.””

    Which is not only inaccurate, it’s unfair. I didn’t defend Warren or Dunn and Crowder, yet somehow, because I defended a stupid three minute video, I’m lumped into this category.
    You see what I’m getting at? It’s guilt by association.

    God bless.

  14. Joshua, instead of throwing out accusations, debate with scripture. You accuse me of slander, show where and how, from scripture. You accuse me of twisting Matthew 6, defend your accusation by exegeting God’s word. If you cannot do so, then move on.

    P.S—-I want you to give the verses yourself, NOT post a link. YOU DO THE WORK!!!!!!!

  15. ” You accuse me of slander, show where and how, from scripture.”

    I would have thought James 4:11 enough for this….

    “You accuse me of twisting Matthew 6, defend your accusation by exegeting God’s word. If you cannot do so, then move on.”

    No, first you prove that the Church is actually ‘boasting’ using Scripture. Otherwise, there’s no point.
    :)

    God bless.

    ______________________________________________________________

    It doesn’t matter anymore. I’m sorry to have wasted your time, and I’m sorry if I accused you falsely.
    It was not my intent.

    I apologize to Defending Contending for any inconvienance.

    God bless.

  16. Joshua, YOU said I twisted scripture, Matthew 6, therefore, since YOU made the accusation, you must prove your claim. I HAVE ALREADY GIVEN MY PROOF of their boasting, in their own words, ‘“we do financially support widows, give coats to kids living in poverty, bus in children to attend children’s services, feed the hungry twice weekly, and cooperate with other area churches to provide food for families who need it”,– now are these not considered works, acts of righteousness, good deeds? When we ‘toot our own horn’, we have received our reward in full. That is what Matthew 6: 1-4 teaches.

    This ‘church’ puts out this video, then when the negative feedback comes in, they change their story. They originally said they’d pick folks up for church, cut their grass, shovel their snow…if they had NO intentions of doing such, are they not guilty of lying as well? My own church does NOT make public what we do, nor do I know of any true church who does. When we do works prompted by the Spirit and keep it to ourselves, God receives the glory…when we boast, it is because we want the glory. I WILL NOT ADDRESS THIS AGAIN, if it is not clear to you, there’s nothing more I can say.

    I am tired of the same ole song and dance from you. If you aren’t willing to back accusations you have made with scripture, then you need to move on. You just want to throw out accusations w/o merit, you’re quick to speak, yet, unwilling to open Gods’ word for yourself and exegete your accusations from it.

    As for the poll, why do you think Christ is not first? HE NEVER HAS BEEN!!! But, due to the apostasy that will continue to increase, Jesus Christ and His followers will be less and less tolerated. The bible is chocked full of passages referencing to deception, false teachers, wolves in sheep’s clothing, false doctrine…which is what my original post was all about to begin with.

    I won’t respond to any more of your accusations until you are willing to debate scripturally, no more ‘he said she said’ garbage.

  17. “I HAVE ALREADY GIVEN MY PROOF of their boasting, in their own words”

    This is not more boasting than Paul did in 2nd Thessolonians 3:6-10. I’m sorry, but someone saying, “We do this.” Is NOT boasting. It’s a description of the services they provide, plain and simple. And why are you demanding I prove my points with Scripture when you refuse to do the same?

    “They originally said they’d pick folks up for church, cut their grass, shovel their snow…if they had NO intentions of doing such, are they not guilty of lying as well?”

    It was a JOKE. If you thought they were serious that’s your problem. They did not change their story, that’s slander AGAIN.

    “My own church does NOT make public what we do,”

    So now are you boasting about what you don’t do?

    “I am tired of the same ole song and dance from you.”

    Ditto. You ingore any Scripture I post, then accuse me of not using Scripture.

  18. JOSH MOVE ON!!!

  19. lyn,

    I addressed your rhetoric already as a comment to you and others.

  20. sjones~ I have the same words for you that I had for Joshua…move on

  21. lyn,

    I will move on from this forum. But, I wish you weren’t so quick to force our hands in an effort to bluff yours.

  22. Joshua~ I think I stumbled across your blog from pyro, http://areyoustandinginahole.blogspot.com/
    Your ‘favorite music’ category is interesting, ‘Favorite Music

    * Skillet
    * Three Days Grace
    * Fall Out Boy(don’t start)
    * Pillar
    * Nickelback
    * Bon Jovi
    * Metallica
    * Weird Al
    * NANO(they’re Japanese…and AWESOME!)
    * Hawk Nelson
    * Rascal Flatts
    * Evanessence
    * Within Temptation and more….

    I am including a link to Paul Washer’s message to young people, such as yourself. May the Lord God use this message to bless you…
    http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=52906154239

  23. I also noticed on his post entitled President Obama he says the following regarding the president:

    “He needs to repent. I believe he is a Christian, but there is no way that he can approve abortion and remain one.”

    Very interesting and now a little light is shed on the genesis of his many disagreements with DefCon.

    Perplexed,
    - The Pilgrim

  24. Here’s a quote from the bassist from “Fall-Out Boy”:

    “I don’t know where I stand about God,” the bassist replied. “I want God to exist when I need Him. To me, God’s the ultimate crisis counselor—I want to be able to call up 1-800-HEAVEN and make sure my plane doesn’t crash! So I think about whether or not He exists. [Infinity on High] is not a religious record of any kind, but … I don’t want this to be all. I don’t go to church or believe in God particularly, but I really hope that there’s a place for me.”

  25. A couple of snippets from Metallica worth quoting come from two different songs, ‘Jump in the fire’ and ‘the prince’…

    from ‘jump in the fire’—-
    “Follow me now my child . . .
    DO JUST AS I SAY . . .
    Jump by your will or be taken by force I’ll get you either way
    So reach down grab my hand walk with me through the land
    COME HOME WHERE YOU BELONG
    So come on JUMP IN THE FIRE.”

    this is from ‘the prince’—–

    “Angel from below . . .
    I WISH TO SELL MY SOUL . . .
    DEVIL TAKE MY SOUL
    with diamonds you repay I don’t care for heaven
    so don’t you look for me to cry
    AND I WILL BURN IN HELL from the day I die.”

    How is listening to this bringing glory to a Holy God, not to mention the affects it has on the mind?

  26. At the risk of appearing as if we’re jumping all over you Josh, let me be clear, I sincerely do not revel in this at all, but I do marvel at how consistent worldly lifestyles are with those who take the stances such as you have taken against DefCon in many of our posts.

    I think this is a very important point to address and not something to quickly gloss over.

    It has been my experience that those who are the most vocal against those of us (who expect to see some degree of holiness in the life of a Christian), are that vocal because they have one foot in the world and one foot in the church.

    They tenaciously rant, wrangle, debate, and argue with those who defend such biblical principles as holiness, modesty, virtue, separation from sin, etc. because they are attempting to drown out their own consciences because they know they still love the world and the things in the world.

    It’s not us they rail against so much as it is God. We are simply reflecting God’s Word when we promote those biblical teachings. Remember, Jesus said that if you love Him you’ll follow His commands. This is lost on many today.

    Josh, I don’t seek to ridicule you but I do seek to admonish you from one Christian to another who claims the name of Christ. After all, number 2 on our About Us page states that we attempt to encourage “those who claim to be Christians to begin living a life consistent with Biblical Christianity . . . or change their name.”

    We want to see those who claim to be Christians to live as He would have us, uncompromising, holy, separate. And if instead they prefer to live like the world, then we ask they change their names to something . . . anything, but Christian.

    Sincerely,
    - The Pilgrim

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