Quotes (468)

At our best we shall find in ourselves daily cause for humiliation, and discover that we are needy debtors to mercy and grace every hour. The more light we have, the more we shall see our own imperfection. Sinners we were when we began, sinners we shall find ourselves as we go on; renewed, pardoned, justified—yet sinners to the very last.

 

 

- J.C. Ryle

1816 – 1900

10 thoughts on “Quotes (468)

  1. CSalt says:

    Personally, I disagree, just a bit, with that last part. I’m no longer a sinner… I’m a saint. Sure, I sin from time to time, but my nature, who I really am, has been radically altered. In Christ, I am a new creation, and I no longer have to wear the brand of “sinner”. Terms matter. I was a sinner, now I’m a saint, redeemed by Christ. This truth does not make me “proud”… it makes me thankful. It humbles me. It amazes me. I am a son of God.
    -CSalt

  2. csalt-“If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.” 1 John 1:8

    Yes, terms matter…I am a sinner, saved solely by the grace of God, continually being cleansed by the blood of Christ. I am no longer a slave to sin’s power, but I still am in the flesh, which means I still sin.

    “But now, [it is] no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but [how] to perform what is good I do not find. For the good that I will [to do], I do not do; but the evil I will not [to do], that I practice. Now if I do what I will not [to do], it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good. For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? I thank God–through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.” Romans 7:17-25
    If the Apostle Paul recognized his continual struggle with sin, we should too. “For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.” Galatians 5:17
    John MacArthur describes the ‘flesh’ as `that remnant of the old man which will remain with each believer until each receives his/her glorified body`. The fact that we still wrestle with sin should cause us to strive, or aim for perfection, not just flippantly acknowledge it. True humility recognizes the true condition one is in.

  3. CSalt says:

    I didn’t say that I have stopped struggling with sin. I am saying, however, that as a child of God, my identity has been changed. I am now a saint, a called-out one, separated unto God, in Christ. If I sin, I go against my new nature, and not with it. (There is a large amount of evidence that would suggest that the verse quoted in 1 John is for the lost…)

  4. csalt is right. The scriptures say we’re saints, Rom1:7. Our identity is now in Christ, Eph4:24,
    The verse 1 Jn 1:8 is talking about B.C. All have come short, and MacArthur is right, we will have this struggle till the grave, but Rom 6 makes it clear that sin should not have dominion over us. That is what Jesus meant by telling us to pick up our cross daily, to die to self every day, that we walk in the Spirit and we will NOT fulfill the lusts of the flesh.
    We need to believe the scriptures and obey our Lord ; that is only possible by abiding in Him in the power of the HS.
    If we live like that, I don’t think we would be sinners.

  5. 1 John 1:8 is referencing to false Christians, those who claim to be saved, those who say they are now without sin. I have known people such as this, they believe they are absolutely sinless; vs. 8 says otherwise. That is why when I saw csalt’s comment, ‘I’m no longer a sinner’, I referenced to vs 8. We must always be careful with words. Then, csalt said, ‘I sin from time to time’. It all seemed a bit confusing, as if he/she wasn’t clear. By posting Paul’s account with his own sin, I was trying to help csalt see sin in a professing believer from a biblical viewpoint.
    Keith says, ‘If we live like that, I don’t think we would be sinners.’ Again, let’s refrain from haughtiness. We all are still sinners, saved by His grace! Please, re-read the Apostle Paul’s struggle with his flesh. We will not be habitual sinners, i.o.w., we will not make a daily practice of sinning, yet, we still do sin. When, not if, we do, it should burden us as we go before our Lord and confess. We should never take a light approach to sin, and should always pray for His Spirit to continually convict us. To think we are sinless is very dangerous! We will not reach sinless perfection this side of heaven, even though we have been redeemed. As John MacArthur puts it, ‘Sin retains a foothold in our temporal flesh, or our unredeemed humanness, with its corrupted desires. The flesh serves as a base camp from which sin operates in the Christian’s life. It is not sinful inherently, but because of its fallenness, it is still subject to sin and is thoroughly contaminated.’ J. MacArthur
    With all due respect, may we not dishonor God by using initials, {HS} when referencing His Holy Spirit? I have seen this done with our Lord as well, using JC. This seems to show a lack of reverence for the Trinity. We MUST understand; God is HOLY, He is worthy of proper reverence and respect.

  6. Lyn,
    Haughtiness aside, what does the scripture say? Jesus says,Jn8:34 “Whoever commits sin is the servant of sin.”
    Then v 36, “If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.”
    Free from what? The servitude of sin. Look at 1Pet3:22-24
    “that we being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness”
    The whole of Rom 6 deals with this.
    I should be asking you, why do you still sin?
    We are told to be perfect even as our heavenly Father is perfect. Mat 5:48. I think that is totally impossible, but I think that may be the whole point. Without Him I can do nothing. But through Him I can do all things.
    Included in all things is the ability to obey Him, for the power of the Holy Spirit is able to keep me from falling.
    Jude24.
    Do I walk this way? That is not the test of truth.
    He has shown us the way of righteousness, and by His Grace we should.

  7. You seem to cleave to the doctrine of ‘sinless perfection’.

    Here is an example from James, he writes, “For we all stumble in many things. If anyone does not stumble in word, he is a perfect man, able also to bridle the whole body” (James 3:2). So, is James not saying here that a man can indeed be perfect? No, because only a few verses later, he comments, “But no man can tame the tongue. It is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison” (James 3:8).

    This is the SAME struggle EVERY Christian wrestles with! Am I condoning sin, or excusing it? Absolutely not! I know my unredeemed flesh will be my ‘nemesis’ til I go and be with the Lord, but as Paul says, ‘I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord!’

    Let me re-emphasize, –John MacArthur describes the ‘flesh’ as `that remnant of the old man which will remain with each believer until each receives his/her glorified body`.
    ‘Sin retains a foothold in our temporal flesh, or our unredeemed humanness, with its corrupted desires. The flesh serves as a base camp from which sin operates in the Christian’s life. It is not sinful inherently, but because of its fallenness, it is still subject to sin and is thoroughly contaminated.’ J. MacArthur
    Again, being a slave to sin is NOT what is being discussed here. It isn’t sin bondage we wrestle with, it is our unredeemed flesh.
    John 13:10–Jesus said to him, “He who has bathed needs only to wash his feet, but is completely clean; and you are clean,”
    Those cleansed by Christ at salvation need not repeat it, BUT, all who’ve been ‘washed’ still need constant, continual daily washing in the experiential sense as we all battle sin in the flesh.
    Even the Apostle Paul recognized he had not ‘arrived’ this side of heaven, “Not that I have already obtained {it} or have already become perfect, but I press on so that I may lay hold of that for which also I was laid hold of by Christ Jesus. Brethren, I do not regard myself as having laid hold of {it} yet; but one thing {I do:} forgetting what {lies} behind and reaching forward to what {lies} ahead, I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.” -Philippians 3:12-14
    Keith, if you are letting each day go by NOT confessing your sins, you are in a danger zone. You are not being convicted of your wrongdoing, which is the work of God’s Holy Spirit.
    “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” 1 John 1:9

    Keith, please read this informative article…http://www.compassdistributors.ca/topics/sinless.htm
    and this one http://pilgrimpublications.com/sinless.htm

  8. Again, what does the word say? 1Jn3:5&6,…”He was manifested to take away our sins; and in Him is no sin.
    6 Whosoever abides in Him sinneth not: “… We are in Christ.
    Yes, John M. makes the good point that we will always have the battle with our sinful nature until we die, but as we abide in Him, closer every day, we should see that truth, ” I am crucified with Christ, nevertheless I live; yet not I but Christ liveth in me;…”
    This is the life of the normal Christian. I must pick up my cross daily, that is how the flesh nature with all our unredeemed flesh is dealt with.
    I do not believe in ” sinless perfection” But, as my identity is in Christ, now, my sinful nature which still exists to be sure,
    it has no more dominion over me. I have reckoned myself to be dead unto sin. I am alive unto God through Jesus Christ. I am complete in Him.
    IF I sin, I repent… 1Jn1:9, I have not arrived but by the grace of my Savior I am no longer a sinner.
    Is it possible for me to have sin,(my nature) and yet do no sin? The flesh is unchanged in its enmity against God, but as I abide in Christ and He in me, the flesh(crucified) is kept down. “In Him is no sin, whosoever abideth in Him sinneth not.”
    Having been made free from sin, I am the servant of righteousness, unto holiness.
    I just think that after all that, I do damage to the Word of Truth by still calling myself a sinner.

  9. Keith,
    you make some valid points. However, I question your comment, “IF I sin, I repent… 1Jn1:9, I have not arrived but by the grace of my Savior I am no longer a sinner.” -the problem I have with this comment is this, it isn’t ‘if I sin’, it’s ‘when’.
    It is true, we are no longer slaves to sin, for Christ has set us free.
    You also say ‘I have not arrived’, yet you say, ‘I am not a sinner’…so what is keeping you from arriving? .
    If we were to tell a lost sinner, ‘I am not a sinner, God saved me’, and they overhear something we say or do which contains sin; how would you explain that? Those who are lost in sin do indeed watch carefully those who claim Christ.
    I do believe we are on the same page, the misunderstanding comes in the wording. I don’t want to have a Pharisee attitude, or be misled. I know I still sin, my thoughts are not always pure, my speech is not always God honoring, and my actions lack terribly. I have not arrived, but why haven’t I? Because, I am still in the flesh, where sin dwells. That is why the blood of Christ must continually cleanse me, each day I must go for a ‘foot washing’. The power of God through Christ has raised me from the dead, being aware of my sins is proof of that. One day, that same power will raise me {and you!} from the grave, and as Paul states in 1st Corinthians 15:53, “For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality.”
    Christ did indeed ‘take away’ our sins, but this is a life-long procedure. All my sinful ways didn’t disappear overnight. But, Christ’s work on the cross paid for EVERY ONE, past, present, and future. 1st John 1:7 states, ‘the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin'; this is a continual cleansing, which takes us to 1st John 1:9. “Confession of sin characterizes genuine Christians, God continually cleanses those who confess” J. MacArthur
    As someone once stated, ‘I am not sinless, but each day, I sin less.’

  10. Lyn,
    You hit the nail on the head. You said you are still in the flesh where sin dwells. Paul exorts us: Walk in the Spirit and you shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. Gal5:16.
    We are in Christ now. The flesh is to be crucified. Jesus said pick up your cross daily. We put off the old man with his deeds.
    Since, as you correctly say, we have been resurrected, we live because He is our life now, Gal2:20- and that is why Paul says in Phil1:21,For me to live is Christ, and to die is gain. Look at Rom6:6. … that henceforth we shold not serve sin. Why? The sin has been destroyed. By the cross.
    Rom6:2 All of Romans 6. Pray to God He would reveal these truths to you. Then Rom8. We are more than conquerors through Him! Praise His holy Name!
    The bottom line is that we will battle in this war till the day we go home: but He is our victory! 1cor10:13… God is faithful…that ye may be able to bear it. Eph6:13…and having done all to stand.
    We are light in the Lord we should walk as children of light.
    Eph5:8.
    Maybe I should say Iam now a saint, sometime I sin. But it is no longer my life as it was B.C. IF I sin, it is simply because I stumble, if I say I have a perfect driving record
    (no tickets) it doesn’t mean I haven’t made mistakes.
    Remember: Faithful is He that calleth you, Who also will do it. 1Thes5:24.
    God bless.

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