The Pilgrim
Coram Deo
Bill
unworthy1
brother MichaelA fascinating documentary which exposes Ellen G. White as a false prophetess and the SDA’s anti-Christian, anti-biblical, heretical teachings.
Seventh-day Adventism exposed.
Posted: January 3, 2009 by The Pilgrim in Apostasy/Lukewarm, Seventh-day AdventismTags: Apologetics, Awake!, Bible, Christianity, church, cult, Cults, Ellen G. White, Ellen White, God, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Jesus, JW, JWs, New World Translation, Religion, SDA, Seventh-day Adventism, Seventh-Day Adventist, Theology, watchtower
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I found this program on Seventh Day Adventist to be very informative. I did not know they came from the same root as Jehovah’s Witnesses. I had always considered them to be a Christian denomination, different for sure, but Christian. I have understood from some Adventist co-workers that Ellen G. White is not really emphasized in the Church any more – which this video really contradicted. I wonder if she is not becoming less prominent as they move forward? I know the dietary concerns and Sabbath worship are still vitally important from my interactions with these co-workers.
Yes, Morris, the 19th century saw the genesis of Mormonism, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Seventh-day Adventism, and Christian Science. The 1800′s were a very busy time for Lucifer . . . and L. Ron Hubbard was simply born a century too late.
- The Pilgrim
Lol, there’s still quite a few members who emphasize Ellen G. White. I ran into a website just the other day….
My oldest buddy is SDA ‘Seventh Day Adventist’ and the thing that saddens me the most is that they are so easily deiceved about Ellen G White.
On my blog I have links to EX SDA members and thier testimonys of how they got out of that ‘sect’.
I also post my own amatuer answers to thier propaganda.
THIS IS AN EYE OPENER THERE IS A SITE CALLED THE WORLDS LAST CHANCE, THAT SOUNDS LIKE SDA CAN ANYONE HERE TELL ME IF IT IS?
Yes, Seventh-day Adventism is one of the four major cults that showed up in the nineteenth-century. There is not even one SDA doctrine that is not tainted with heresy to some degree.
A former SDA minister,
Dennis Fischer
E-mail: dfministries@gmail.com
Dear Dennis:
Thank you very much for your comment. I am just now beginning to understand that this organization is not simply a denomination or sect, but an outright cult; begun by a false prophet and spawned the Jehovah’s Witnesses.
I’ve even begun a new category on DefCon for SDA because their false teachings need to be addressed.
“For false prophets will arise, misleading many . . .”
- The Pilgrim
No doubt about it, the SDA religion is a cult. I was raised in it and didn’t see the light until I was 45 years old and began to study the bible for myself for the first time. When I discovered the Grace message and realized that Jesus died for ALL my sins, past, present and future, I then was saved and haven’t looked back. I have started my own ministry to those still in the SDA church and God is working mightily.
Shalom
Seventh-day Adventism is founded upon the Millerite deception of October 22, 1844–the failed date of Christ’s predicted second coming. Ellen White, co-founder of Adventism, was merely one of dozens of young Millerite women who were visioning at that time. To his credit, William Miller was most annoyed by these fanatical followers who were visioning and often shouting at many private gatherings. He never believed in any of them. Moreover, when October 22, 1844 came and went, Miller fully admitted his error. On the other hand, Ellen White and a few devout followers refused to admit that they were duped.
thank you very much for exposing the Seventh day Adventist cult. i really appreciate it. may the good Lord richly bless all of you.
umm im kinda confused here not that i dont agree with what assumptions you’ve brought up but if seventh day adventists are the only Remnant church keeping the sabbath where are true followers of Christ suppose to go?
Cause I’ve called all the churches in my yellowpages and every denomination worships on sunday i only found the 7 day adventist section to still worship on saturday and there were only 2 of those…every other denomination has long lists believe me my city has plenty of churches but it just seems to me im better off not going at all or just going to worship on saturday but not actually ‘joining’?
Hezekiah,
If you’re convinced that you should worship on Saturday, find a good church (i.e. not Seventh Day Adventist) and go for it. However, there is no requirement for you to worship on Saturday. You can worship any day of the week. There are enough problems with the Seventh Day Adventist church that I would recommend not touching it with a ten foot pole.
“One man regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Let each man be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God,” (Rom. 14:5-6).
“Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— 17things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.” (Col. 2:16-17).
Thanks,
Bill
Galatians 2:16–Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.
Theres this website called Worlds last chance check it out they say they aren’t SDA but all their belief are like them…that site depressed me .
I am a Seventh day Adventist. I love Jesus Christ. I’m having trouble with the statement by Bill:”However, there is no requirement for you to worship on Saturday.”
Revelation 14:12 clearly illustrates in the discussion regarding The Last Day who it is that finds salvation in the Lord:
“Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. ”
This reference above is not to two groups of people (commandment-keeping Jews and faithful Protestants). Here the prophet John writes of one group of people who have both characteristics.
Do I keep the commandments to be saved, which failed spectacularly in man’s relationship to our Creator? No, I cannot of my own will keep these commandments because my own wicked nature is always against me, but that in response to the deep love of Christ, I love his Laws of Love. The fourth commandment written in sapphire stone BY THE VERY FINGER of our Lord, not once but twice (Moses in frustration broke the first tables), is a clear indication that the Lord never intended for man to change the moral laws. What many unfortunately do not understand is that yes, God did do away with certain previous requirements: namely the ordinances written by none other than THE HAND of Moses.
Do you respect your Creator, or will you just do things your way? We are in the Valley of Decision and soon we will have made our decision: our own way or His. This of course is the age old argument. Be troubled in your soul regarding this concern, for to be like Jesus is to let the Holy Spirit lead you to follow his example: he was a Sabbath-keeper.
Hi Denver,
I am obedient to the 4th commandment, because I have entered my sabbath rest (Hebrews 4).
I appreciate your sentiments, and would agree with you, but you never responded to the verses I cited (Romans 14:5-6, Colossians 2:16-17). It’s kind of funny that you told me I’m wrong without providing an exegesis of those passages.
Thanks,
Bill
Hi all,
First and foremost, I am a child of God, and then am a Christian, and then a Seventh-day Adventist. I grew up as an SDA, and just recently have taken my faith seriously.
I do believe in Denver that there is a flaw in which certain Christians believe and teach others that they do not have to keep the Sabbath. It is, just like Denver said, written by God’s finger, and He has made it to last until the end of time.
Regarding your texts, Bill, there is a danger in which you seem to present your texts. A few texts here and there can misconstrue what it is that the Bible is really saying. The texts that you posted (Rom 14:5-6 & Col 2:16-17) were not speaking about the ordinary, every week Sabbath that we are commanded to keep. They are there because Paul felt the need to tell the Jews that the ceremonial laws are over and done with. These are ceremonial laws that Paul was writing about, and NOT the Ten Commandments. This was the case with the “Jews” uniformly, who regarded the days of their festivals, and fasts, and ceremonial Sabbaths as especially sacred.
Paul also wrote to the Galatians, in chapter 4:9-10: 9But now that you know God—or rather are known by God—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable principles? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? 10You are observing special days and months and seasons and years!”
So we can find that the things that Paul wrote are similar to the Romans, Colossians and Galatians, in which he talks about the ceremonial laws written by Moses himself, and not God.
Also, remember what Christ said to His disciples in Matthew 5:17-18
17″Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.”
Not the least stroke of a pen disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Jesus did not come down to this earth to abolish the laws that GOD has given, BUT the laws that Moses has written. And certain people view the “accomplished” part of the sentence as Jesus dieing on the cross. However, this is NOT the case, As Jesus, in the SAME sentence, stated that until heaven and earth disappear. So His laws will remain until that day that He comes.
Keep also in mind, what God said in that commandment. God stated to keep THE Sabbath day, not A Sabbath day. For it is the seventh day of the week that God has commanded us to keep, not Sunday, not Monday, or any other day, but the Sabbath, which when studied, is believed to mean Saturday.
So is the truth relative? That we can worship on any day that we want? I believe not, for God has commanded us to keep His Sabbath day holy, and not any day that we want.
I pray that God’s words have been helpful to you and your walk with Him.
Marc
The weekly, festal Sabbath (Lev. 23:1-3) is one of the seven convocations given to the “sons of Israel.” With its extra sacrificing and shewbread requirements, the weekly Sabbath is clearly ceremonial or ritual in nature. The Fourth Commandment NEVER was a moral law because moral laws are in effect every nanosecond of time (24/7) and not merely once a year, season, month, or week. Moreover, unlike ceremonial laws, moral laws never allow exceptions (being trumped) for works of charity, mercy, or necessity. Since the Decalogue is a summary of the 613 laws in the Torah (Pentateuch), it should not surprise us to find a ceremonial law in the very heart of the Ten Commandments. After all, the weekly Sabbath, given only to the Hebrew people (Deut. 5:3), was the seal of the Mosaic Covenant.
There is no command to observe any particular day in the entire book of Genesis. The Sabbath is first mentioned in Exodus 16 in a ceremonial context of the manna. Deuteronomy 5:15 tells the former slaves in Egypt (Israelites) to remember the Sabbath as a memorial of their freedom from slavery. Neither my ancestors nor myself have ever been slaves in Egypt. My ethnicity is not Jewish.
The apostle Paul tells us, in Colossians 2:16-17, that the Sabbath was a shadow pointing to Jesus, the true Sabbath Rest. Notice, in this passage, the distinct descinding order of the festival (annual), new moon (monthly), and the Sabbath (weekly). The late SDA Sabbath apologist, Dr. Samuele Bacchiocchi of Andrews University, finally agreed that Colossians 2:16 refers to the weekly Sabbath. This was a major admission on his part in order to maintain some level of respect in scholarly circles. His scholarship ultimately required him to radically differ with Ellen White, the revered SDA prophetess, on this important topic.
In Seventh-day Adventism, the weekly Sabbath is also the seal of God and the final test (both claims without any Scriptural authority). No other Sabbatarian group agrees with SDAs on this addition to the Bible. The biblical truth is that there no holy days in the Christian calendar. Christians do not have to wait until the end of the week to find divine rest in Jesus, but rather the writer of Hebrews declares repeatedly that there remains a rest for the people of God and that day is TODAY (Heb. 4:1-10). Truly, those who still insist upon observing any of the OT shadows pointing to the Cross are actually denying the reality of Christ.
Please listen to the following audio link to hear an excellent sermon, delivered by Dr. John MacArthur, Jr., that is most helpful to serious Bible students on this topic: http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/90-225.htm .
Resting in Him,
Dennis J. Fischer, a former SDA minister
E-mail: dfministries@gmail.com
Galatians 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Galatians 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
I am so glad that my salvation came by the Grace of God and not by the works of the Law. If it had, then I could never be saved.
Shane,
Salvation has always been by grace alone (i.e., Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord, the first promise of a Savior (Gen. 3:15), etc.). Our awesome and sovereign God will NOT end up with two different groups of people in heaven–those saved by grace and those saved by the law. God does not owe us anything. He would still be a wonderful and just God without saving even one person. The fact that He saves His elect makes grace even more amazing.
Due to our original sin condition, we all deserve death (eternal separation from God). Indeed, salvation is from the Lord (Jonah 2:9). The OT believers looked forward to the Cross for their salvation, and believers today look back at the Cross for the same salvific reason. The good news is that God never goes on a rescue mission that fails. It’s all about Him! Soli Deo Gloria!
In His power and for His glory,
Dennis J. Fischer
As I have studied the Sabbath I have found that it has been discussed, debated and divided over throughout church history. From time long before there ever was an Ellen G. White on the scene. All one has to do is peruse the writings of many Christians from years gone by like the reformers and Puritans, to find that they along with many others even today believe the moral law; that is the 10 commandments, are still in effect for the Christian. This including of course the Sabbath.
The difference between these believers and the SDA’s and other such Sabbatarian groups comes down to the day. Some say Saturday, others Sunday or what came to be called the Lord’s day. I’m not here to argue either side but simply to point out the SDAs are far, far from the only ones who believe the Sabbath, rightly or wrongly, is still in effect. Just go to Sermon Audio and look up Sabbath in the Sermons and you will find this to be so.
As far as the SDA’s I cannot speak much to their beliefs as I have not studied them in great detail, but in general, it is not fair to say that one who believes the 10 Commandments are still in effect and by this they observe the Sabbath/Lord’s Day, are believers in salvation by works. For if this were so then the same thing needs to be said for any one who seeks to be obedient to any command of God like avoiding fornication, or desisting from taking the Lord’s name in vain.
I have tried to talk to members of my family that beleive there salvation is dependent upon them living a good enough life and doing enough good. I have shown them the standard verses about how we can never do enough good to secure our salvation. They take the verses about salvation being a free gift, that we have peace with God, and eternal life and basically ad conditions to them. They have been Christians for over 50 years and still don’t know if they wil get into Heaven. They don’t beleive in doing anything on Sundays other than go to church. I have told them that if they are tring to keep the Old Testament sabbath they are really on the wrong day anyway.
Seemsto me like the “Old Time Holiness Pentecostals” and the Seventh Day Adventists, and Jehovah’s Witnesses actually have a lot in common. It is all about what they can do and not what Jesus (God, Yes Jesus is The God not just a god) has done.
“The faith that fizzles before the finish was faulty from the start.”
Adrian Rogers
Marc, you said:
So is the truth relative? That we can worship on any day that we want? I believe not, for God has commanded us to keep His Sabbath day holy, and not any day that we want.
Are you really saying there is actually a WRONG time to worship God? That God would mark you with the beast for worshipping Him at the wrong time?
Sojourner,
You asked if I said there is actually a WRONG time to worship God. That is not what I said. Please do not put words into my mouth that I have not truly said.
It is true that God has told us to keep the Sabbath. And I’m not here to convict anyone to worship on the same day as I am for Paul said that we shouldn’t try to convict anyone of what we believe because they may not be governed by what each of one might believe. So I apologize if I seemed like I tried to convict anyone.
Now, although I believe that the Sabbath is simply a day to be distinguished from the rest, where you stop from your daily doings, like work, sports, daily mundane things. The Sabbath is there so we can make time for God from our daily things. Now, we are supposed to worship Him EVERY DAY, and make time for Him everyday, but those days are not truly devoted to God, because we have work to do, we have things to do at home. So our days are filled with other things that take the time that we are supposed to be worshipping God. So the Sabbath is made for us to have a day that is truly devoted to Him and Him alone, and the Sabbath is that day.
If you’d like to know the true story of D. M. Canright’s inspiration to write his two classic books: Seventh-day Adventism Renounced, and The Life of Mrs. E.G. White than I’d strongly recommend that you thoughtfully listen to the following audio message by W Santee entitled – Give God the Glory.
Canright’s works have been rightfully held up as the foundation of contemporary criticism of SDA ism & E.G. White
http://www.audioverse.org/sermons/recordings/1780/give-god-glory.html
Indeed – Give God the Glory!
To piggy-back off of Brother Michael’s point – I am a Seventh-day Adventist and while I do believe that the ten commandments are the transcript of God’s character (and God’s description of how to love God and your brother as yourself), I do not believe that the law – neither God’s law given on the mountain to Moses, nor the summary of the laws given by Jesus in Matthew 22:40 – can or will save me (Ephesians 2:8).
I believe that the only thing that can save me is an ongoing, real, relationship with Jesus Christ. It is because I love Jesus that I seek to do the things that please him. This includes attempting to live by all the commandments (something I cannot do in and of myself, but only through the Holy Spirit). I do not gain the indwelling of the Holy Spirit by keeping the law, or by any action of my own. All I can do is thankfully accept Jesus’ cleansing sacrifice, and ask that the Holy Spirit take over my life, and guide my actions and choices. It is only because of the Holy Spirit that I can do anything as a Christian. It is as Jesus said – he is the vine, and we are the branches (John 15:5). My study of the Bible and history has led me to the belief that the Sabbath is important, so I celebrate God’s Sabbath as Jesus did. There are many legalistic Adventists who think that they can be saved by keeping the law, just as there are legalistic Christians in other denominations who believe that not fornicating, not lying, not stealing, and honoring their parents can save them. That said, it is not my place to judge anyone else who has not yet found the Sabbath truth, or who has not been convicted of any other Bible truth. I believe that conviction is the job of the Holy Spirit (John 16:8), and that my job is to encourage fellow Christians in their walk with Jesus and to help them study the word. I believe that Christians ARE called upon to hold each other accountable for what we say we believe, and while I do not agree with your theology (or your method), I applaud the motivation behind this blog.
A note on the Sabbath: The first mention of God blessing and sanctifying the seventh-day Sabbath is found in Genesis 2:3 (not in Exodous). It makes no sense that God would order Adam and Eve not to work, because the ground was not cursed, etc. etc. until after sin.
i believe some of the puritan groups were sabbatarian.
(Excerpt from Ray C. Stedman; The Seventh Day, 10/10/67, The Beginnings: Commentary on Genesis)
Resting in Him,
Dennis Fischer
E-mail: dfministries@gmail.com
It is interesting that the Apostle Paul wrote that believers should let no man judge them in keeping sabbaths, special days, etc.
There were Judaizers telling gentile brethren that if they really wanted to be right with the Lord, they needed to do this and that, including keeping the Saturday Sabbath.
If your conviction is to keep it, do so, to the glory of God.
But by no means scold your brother who does not, usurping the authority of an apostle of Jesus Christ (Paul) who, in the God-breathed Scripture, dismantles your claim. Scripture interprets Scripture. We don’t get to throw chunks of it out and ignore them because it may make our claims wobbly.
One cannot ignore Paul’s writing merely because one has no contextually sound way to address it as meaning anything other than it plainly does: let no man judge you in keeping of sabbaths. It’s just too plainly put.
Christ is the True Sabbath. That’s why those who are heavily laden and burdened flee to Him. The believer keeps Christ always, ergo the believer is always keeping the True Sabbath.
Do not cause Christ’s little ones to stumble by setting a matter clearly portrayed as that of your personal conviction as a definitve ‘seal’ of a true (or mature) believer. The Seal of the believer is the Holy Spirit, Who indwells only those who belong to the Lamb. Have you not read how the apostles knew that God was saving gentiles because they witnessed the Holy Spirit in them?
That’s it? Pretty weak…
At best, ‘he said, she said.’
Notice that Moses very carefully, intentionally, and repetitively notated each of the six days of creation in Genesis 1 with “there was morning and there was evening” (ESV). However, when Moses wrote about the seventh day, the “morning and evening” phrase was conspicuously omitted in Genesis 2:1-3. God rested because He was finished and not because He was tired and needed physical rest.
There is no mandate in Genesis for observing a literal day nor that God rested every seventh day thereafter. When sin entered the perpetual Sabbath was broken. When Jesus was questioned about his Sabbath breaking, He answered, “My Father is working until now, and I am working” (John 5:17 ESV). Indeed, the apostle John reports, in the very next verse, that Jesus was “breaking the Sabbath” (v. 18).
As Adam entered into God’s rest after creation, we enter into His rest after redemption. Jesus is our Sabbath. The Christian worships the Lord on the first day of the week, the day Jesus rose from the dead, because that resurrection day was the day mankind again could rest in the joy of the Lord. He lives again today in hearts unfettered by ritual or ceremonial laws that were a picture or shadow of the Cross. Indeed, those who insist upon observing any of the the shadows pointing to the Cross are actually denying the reality of Jesus Christ.
In awe of the guilt-removing, sin-atoning sacrifice of Jesus,
Dennis Fischer
E-mail: dfministries@gmail.com
I am with You Denver totally I have no doubts at all, One of this Pastor or Ex SDA, and others claim that the Good source is the other evangelical Churches..
I Know ALL OF THEM and I know HOW CONFUSE, PERMISIVE AND WRONG TEACHING AND DOCTRINE OF MAN they have….If you Know the Bible and the Bible only You wont be deceive,
but please dont tell me Evangelical churches have Bible doctrine because they DON’T…
If your trust in man and their interpretation…you will be deceive by them….
The Bible got me out of Sunday Keeping churches and their confuse teaching…
and the Only one that The Bible itself got me in is the SDA Church..and the first time I hear one of their preaches, I was jumping OUR JOY, and this is what I say…Finally someone teaching WHAT I KNOW AND UNDERSTAND FROM THE BIBLE and not churches ro mans Doctrine..
After researching and reading my Bible, I truly believe that 7th Day Adventists are brainwashed into believing that they are the remnant church and that you need to follow the Sabbath or you will receive the mark of the beast. These videos above prove that SDA is a cult, especially when you adhere to and believe that Ellen White’s prophesies should be part of the Bible! (as demonstrated with the Clear Word Bible).
Please, if you have any family or friends who are SDA, show them this website as it will clearly open their eyes and ears to the REAL TRUTH – God and the Bible alone!!
So, Gloria, you’re still under the yoke of the Law?
How’s that working for you? Have you kept the Law? ALL of it??
I didn’t think so.
Oh, and that tired old “roman doctrine” straw man of Sunday worship has been soundly refuted. Because the first day of the week was the day on which Jesus rose from the dead and appeared to his disciples, and Pentecost fell on the first day in which the Church was born and the Holy Spirit given to indwell the saints, it became customary in the early Church for many congregations to assemble for worship on the Lord’s Day, the first day of the week (Sunday).
Acts 20:7,
“On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight.”
1 Corinthians 16:2,
“On the first day of every week, each of you is to put something aside and store it up, as he may prosper, so that there will be no collecting when I come.”
See! No Rome!
… just a lot of mud-slinging from you, Gloria.
Resting in the Lord EVERY day,
- Jeff H