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Pope puts the world in Mary’s hands.

Idolatrous paganism and rank heresy are two expressions that immediately came to mind as I read the following article on the Pope’s recent visit to Pompeii, Italy. Here are a few of the opening paragraphs from the article:

POMPEII, Italy, OCT. 19, 2008 (Zenit.org).- Benedict XVI placed the world in Mary’s hands during his one-day visit to the shrine of Our Lady of the Rosary in Pompeii, near Naples.

The Pope’s leading of the Supplication of the Blessed Virgin of the Rosary, a prayer written by Blessed Bartolo Longo (1841-1926) was one of the high points of this 12th pastoral trip in Italy.

“We implore you to have pity today on the nations that have gone astray, on all Europe, on the whole world, that they might repent and return to your heart,” the text of the prayer reads.

With the words of Bartolo, the Pontiff turned to Mary, saying: “If you will not help us because we are ungrateful and unworthy children of your protection, we will not know to whom to turn.”

In a gesture of filial love, the Pope then offered the Madonna a golden rose.

Return to Mary’s heart?

Don’t know who to turn to?

Is he serious? Does the Pope not own a Bible? Chapter and verse please!

To read the entire article click here. And when you’re done reading the article, check out the following short piece by James White on the idolatry of a Mary window smudge.

See also the following related links:

It’s all about Mary?

The written word of God and Roman Catholicism

A Christian debates a Catholic on the street corner

Unmasking the pope and the and the Catholic system

RC Apologist has trouble explaining the “Immaculate Conception” when students interject Scripture


15 comments on “Pope puts the world in Mary’s hands.

  1. Interestingly enough, my own mother made the observation that most people who truly anticipate the return of the Lord at any moment do not have a problem with Mary. No one wants to stand before the Son of the Living God and say, “Yo mama!”

  2. Isaiah 8:19-20–And when they say to you, “Seek those who are mediums and wizards, who whisper and mutter,” should not a people seek their God? Should they seek the dead on behalf of the living? To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

    No matter what Babylon Rome calls it, this is necromancy–calling upon the dead to aid them. Mary was a blessed woman, a devoted servant of the Lord. But she is not someone to be given such adoration and near-worship.

  3. Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
    Rev 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
    Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
    Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
    Rev 17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
    Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
    Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

  4. Mk 12:26-27: “Now concerning the dead being raised-haven’t you read in the book of Moses, in the passage about the burning bush, how God spoke to him: I am the God of Abraham and the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob? He is not the God of the dead but of the living. You are badly deceived.”

    It is easy to see that those who are in heaven are not dead, but alive, so your claim of Roman necromancy is a lie. Equating the petition of the saints to consulting spiritualists and mediums displays a lack of understanding of the Bible, of history and of ancient religions. Saul’s example in 2 Samuel Chapter 28 is an accurate portrayal of consulting spiritualists and mediums. When a Catholic asks Mary to pray to God it is no different than a Protestant asking a fellow church member to pray to God for the health of a family member. Both people are petitioning a saint for prayer, but a saint in heaven is in a position to offer a more perfect prayer than a saint on earth because of the disposition of the soul in heaven, namely, the absence of sin.

    Now Mary, the Mother of God, does warrant a special place in adoration percisely because of her relationship to God. She is His mother! Saint Paul tells us to imitate him, even as he imitates Christ, thus we, as Christians, are all called to be an imitator of Christ. Jesus was found without sin, that is, He followed the Mosaic Law with absolute perfection, fulfilling all that it required, including the commandment found in Exodus 20:12: “Honor your father and your mother so that you may have a long life in the land that the Lord your God is giving you.” How can you rightly be called an imitator of Paul, thus an imitator of Christ of you dishonor the Mother of God?

  5. Joel,

    When I ask someone to pray for my request, I ask them in person, via e-mail, letter, or telephone. I don’t close my eyes and hope they hear me. There is no indication anywhere in the Bible that we can communicate with someone who is in heaven. In fact, we are forbidden to attempt such a thing.

    Prayer is an act of worship. I don’t know what you would call the way Catholics attempt to communicate with Mary and the saints, other than prayer. If you don’t call it prayer, what do you call it? When you attempt to communicate with Mary in such a way, you are ascribing powers to her that only God possesses. That is idolatry. Jesus is the only mediator between God and men (1 Tim. 2:5).

    Thanks,
    Bill

  6. The Bible declares who we should pray to God alone. Matt 6:6
    The bible declares how we should pray in Jesus name. John 14:13
    1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
    “Mother of God” is not found in the Bible but in the The Apostles’ Creed.
    Jesus is 100% God and 100% man. Was Mary Jesus’ mother before the incarnation? No.
    Creeds are fine IF they proclaim the truth of the scriptures but never do they supersede them.

  7. Bill: We are forbiden from trying to communicate with someone in heaven!? Jesus is in heaven! Do you mean to deny the resurrection?

    You are correct to say that prayer is an act of worship. Protestants are simply mistaken when they claim that Roman Catholics worship Mary and the saints. We petition them for their prayers to God. Anyone who claims to know how things operate in heaven are either delusional or liars. Saint Paul tells us that “eye has not seen, ear has not heard, nor has it entered the heart of man the good things that wait for those who love Him.” To presume to say that saints in heaven have no way of knowing the needs and desires of the Church on earth is to presume to have knowledge only available to those who have been to heaven and returned. While our petitions may not be heard by saints, who is to say God does not instruct the saints to pray for the Church Militant? After all, God’s desire is for the salvation of all souls and why wouldn’t He use the Glofified Church to assist the Militant Church? This in no way suggests that God does not hear the prayers of the Church on earth, rather it is a demonstration of His love for it. While the position I argue from a position of speculation as much as the position you argue from, my argument rests on a tradition that goes back to the Apostles. Do you know how far back your tradition goes? I’ll give you a hint, it is less than 600 years!

    Papapatriot: The verses you quoted in way limit prayer in the way you suggest. When Paul and Silas were singing hymns do you suggest they ended each hymn with, “In Jesus’ name we pray?” What about prayers of praise or thanksgiving? Do mean to say those should also end with, “In Jesus’ name we pray?” When Mary sang her canticle was it in a closet or in front of another? Was Zacharia’s canticle in private? It is easy to see that what Jesus refered to in Matt 6:6 was the motive behind prayer rather than a commandment to avoid prayer in fromt of others. He was saying, “Pray for the glorifacation of God, not for the glorification of man.” You are arguing to a different point in quoting 1 Ti 2:5. All Christians believe that Christ is the only one who can approach the throne of God on behalf of the world. He is the Lamb of God. He is the only one capable of interceding with God for the forgiveness of our sins, but asking for Mary’s prayers is not asking her to forgive our sins, it is asking her for prayers for us. You also seem confused when you contend my use of the phrase “Mother of God.” Mary is called the mother of Jesus many, many times in the Bible and you ready admit that Jesus is 100% God. Where is the conflict there? The only way to deny that Mary is the mother of God is to deny the divinty of Jesus Christ.

  8. Joel,

    Clearly, we can pray to Jesus, because He is God, and we are instructed to pray to Him (John 14:14). He is omnipresent (Matt 28:20), and hears my prayers. No human in heaven is omnipresent.

    If you say prayer is an act of worship, and admit to praying to Mary, you are admitting to worshipping Mary, right?

    You then say that anyone who thinks they know what goes on in heaven is delusional or a liar. I assume this would go for all of the popes? First of all, God has chosen to reveal some of what goes on in heaven in the Bible. Second, this isn’t helping your case. Nowhere do we see in the Bible people praying to anyone but God. But Catholics say we can pray to anyone in heaven, but from your own characterization, that would seem to make them delusional or liars, since no one really knows what’s going on.

    Maybe those in heaven know what’s going on, and maybe they’re praying for us. If they are, they’re not doing it because we communicated our needs to them. If God prompts them to pray, that’s fine, but that’s a far cry from us attempting to communicate with them.

    I base all my knowledge on the supernatural on the Bible, which was complete in the first century. Traditions are fine; we all have them. Some of mine are months old, some are 600 years, and some are 2000 years old. But if our traditions contradict the Bible (like praying to Mary) that is a sin.

    On what basis do you believe you can communicate with Mary and the saints? What makes you think they can hear you? No matter what answer you give, except for a Bible verse, why doesn’t that make you a liar or delusional? Do you pray to any angels? Why or why not? When the Bible forbids us from communicating with the dead (Deut. 18:11), who is it forbidding us from communicating with?

    Thanks,
    Bill

    _______________________________________________________

    Joel,

    One more quick question: Are you born again?

    Thanks for taking the time to have this conversation.

    Bill

  9. Praying in Jesus’ name is not a magic formula that we toss in at the end of each prayer to make it valid before God.
    A person can call out to God by simply saying “please help me Lord this day” and be a real prayer.
    The point is that Jesus is the ONLY way to the Father.
    John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
    Can Mary hear 10 million prayers at the same time? Does Mary know all things?
    Do the scriptures even hint that Mary or any saint hear the prayers?
    You state correctly that Christ is the only one that can approach the throne of God.
    But you limit Christ to interceding to only forgiveness?
    Heb 7:24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
    Heb 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
    Heb 7:26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
    Heb 7:27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people’s: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

  10. Joel,

    If you don’t mind my asking what or who is represented by the picture in your gravatar?

    In Christ,
    CD

  11. Joel,

    Why is it that in the years following Mary’s death and alleged assumption into heaven that we have nothing from the holy Scriptures that say anything about this supposed event? Why is it that there is so very little written about Mary after the day of Pentecost? If she is so important in the “order of grace”, why didn’t God see fit to have the apostles write more about her? It would appear that it is Rome who are the ones who are assuming that things in heaven are like they claim they are, with no Scriptural evidence.

  12. Fourpointer:

    You bring up a very good point about the complete absence of Mary from the New Testament after the Gospels. I wrote about this in my post It’s All About Mary?

    Here is what I said:

    . . . Mary is never spoken of in the history of the Church or the letters (Epistles) to the Church (except in Acts 1:14 where a brief mention of her is made). No where in all the instruction of conduct, examples of operation, and direction given to the early church for its operation and function is Mary ever mentioned, yet today you couldn’t walk into a Roman Catholic Church without bumping into something to do with Mary, and you’d be hard-pressed to find a member of the RCC that would deny Mary as being a pivotal or important part of their life in the mother church. This devotion and near-deification of Mary is something you cannot find anywhere in the early Church. The silence of the Scriptures alone speaks volumes against the RCC’s current obsession with Mary.

    It’s a fascinating silence when you consider how much emphasis is now placed on Mary.

    - The Pilgrim

  13. Roman Catholic Allegorism
    It is true to say that, for the most part, Scriptural interpretation of the Middle Ages was allegorical. The Roman Catholic Church has maintained the validity of the allegorical method, though there is evidence that later on, some of their scholars saw the excesses that resulted from this Patristic theology, and were prepared to admit the importance of the literal meaning of Scripture. Roman Catholics accept the Latin Vulgate translation if Jerome as the authentic version for public lectures, disputations, sermons and expositions. This church thus puts itself into the awkward position of basing its doctrines on a translation instead of the original languages of Hebrew, Chaldee and Greek. This is a great weakness, for no one translation, however good, can adequately set forth the truth of the original.

    Moreover the Roman Catholic expositor is forced to accept obediently whatever the church specifically decrees on the authorship of the books of the Bible, and some twenty verses have been officially interpreted and may not be deviated from. Actually the number is more than this, because many of the official documents require definite interpretation of certain verses. Roman Catholic exegesis became summed up during the Middle Ages in three rules:

    1) A passage may have an allegorical or mystical meaning.
    2) It may have an anagogical or eschatological meaning, that is, it may prefigure or anticipate the church in glory.
    3) It may have a tropological meaning, that is, teach a way of life, or in other words, convey the moral significance of the passage.

    With its often excessive usage of types, the Roman Catholic diverges from the Protestant. Thus the manna in the wilderness, the Passover, the bread and wine of Melchizedec are made types of the Eucharist, this ignoring the controlling guide of N.T. usage. Such expositions can never be accepted by the honest searcher for truth. It is reading into Scripture what is not there, and is the fruit of the allegorical method of interpretation, which is used to bolster up this sacramental and sacerdotal approach to the Bible. Further, the Roman Catholic believes that to his church alone has been entrusted the Deposit of Truth in a two-fold form, 1) the oral form (tradition) and 2) the written form (the Scriptures), and the written form, the Bible, is obscure and needs an official interpreter, which must be the Church of Rome, to whom alone, he believes, it has been given by God. To him the oral tradition is of equal authority with the Word of God because he believes that both have come from God, and are complimentary.

    Furthermore, no passage of Scripture can be interpreted to conflict with the Roman Catholic doctrine. It is therefore obvious that the Protestant expositor is always at a disadvantage when disputing on doctrinal matters with a Roman Catholic. Whereas the former will take his stand solely on God’s Word, the latter can always retreat and bring in his oral tradition, which he believes to be as much God’s truth as the Bible. The more one studies the Roman Catholic position, the more one is thankful for the great liberating effect of the Reformation. Believers today have largely forgotten what they owe God for this great movement: freedom of conscience, and approach to Him through the Lord Jesus Christ alone, and no through any human sacerdotal system with its inevitable bondage.

    -The Interpretation of Scripture – Stuart Allen, London 1967

  14. What the RCC does to Mary is nothing short of worship.
    They kneel before her.
    They pray to her.
    They sing songs to her.

    The tradition of the RCC goes back to the apostles? No way Jose, since the RCC got formed heresy after heresy was added to the faith and truth was distorted.

    To pray to a saint in Heaven is not the same as asking a brother to pray for me. While the saints are alive in Heaven they are dead to this world as it is said,
    Revelation 14:13 ¶ And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

    Jesus is our intercessor in Heaven and no one else. Only the High Priest would make intercession in the Holiest of Holiest and not all the priesthood. Jesus also said I AM the way, the truth and the life. No man cometh to the father, but by me.
    That excludes Mary.

    Whenever the RCC wants to invent some new form of religion they refer to some mystic confusion to justify their doing. Let us stick with scripture!

    Mary bore the fleshly body of Jesus from the time of conception until His birth. Mother of God carries also the notion that she birthed Jesus Christ in Heaven and this is clearly not the case. She is not the queen of Heaven!

  15. There are only two ways for a living person on earth to “ask” a person who has died on earth (and gone to Heaven) to pray FOR him or WITH him. One is prayer to the person in Heaven. The other is necromancy. They are both forbidden by Scripture.

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