At the same time the Bellingham, Washington church was being established so fresh fire could get a legal foot hold in America. This is evident by the lack and the sheer refusal to work with the local churches. It was just for the papers not the church.

In January 2009 2 members of the board confronted Todd about Jessa, and that it was wrong and they couldn’t stand by him about it. They where “relieved” of their position for doing so. This shouldn’t be surprising as another member of FFM was faceed with the same threat, after he caught Todd with another woman in England (this is what the dark night of the soul was actually about), the FFM member was forced to either work for FFM outside of North America or be fired. Jessa is woman number 4 that Todd has cheated on Shonnah with.

Todd isn’t 100% to blame just 80% the rest of the blame falls on those board members and pastors that refused to confront Todd on his infidelities. One in particular had the mind set that if Todd does it, it’s okay even if it isn’t for others. Others refused to confront because they didn’t want to loose their jobs (like many have over the years)

Even in Lakeland which I personally think was a two edged work of God, it was a blessing to the locals who have prayed for God to move. And the other edge was a judgement on Todd, in total over the top Todd style. During the highet of revival there was excessive drinking, slasher flicks, and other things I wont get into now with Todd and his inner circle (yes men). There was infighting with the leaders on stage, and the interns where just slaves with ministry badges. Or the fact that all the money collected for the orphans and for sudan never made it to them, it was instead used to pay for the buildings/land for the revival.

Even after Lakeland fell apart, and the news finally became public, Todd never returned home to Abbotsford. He remained in America (illegally) in California, then a breif stop in Reno for their quickey divorce rules. Then it was off to Rick Joyner and his marriage with Jessa

These words are not made up, this is a summary of many conversations I have had with former FFM employees, board members and former interns. I just can’t stand by and see Todd get away with this for a fourth time. A man who has turned his back on his wife and children once again. yet will be received by the masses as THE man of God.

Want to see moe fruit from the Bentley Tree? Check out this post from Desert Pastor.

Guard your heart and your mind, so that you may not ever fall into error or sin. If you do, there is a brother out here who will restore you gently lest he fall into the same thing.

Take care.

You can too disredit the work of the Holy Spirit. Not everyone believes in ghosts, and the claim that a holy spook is doing invisible work inside a person is merely their way of trying to make their own changes seem Godly.

John Bryan Stone

And I’m not sure where you got your info re:Calvin and sacraments. Perhaps you could cite where you got your info? But in his “Institutes of the Christian Religion,” he spends chapter after chapter refuting the silly notion that we can do anything to effect–let alone keep–our salvation by merit or sacrament. And he taught infant baptism. He saw it as being a “replacement” of circumcision in the new covenant. However, that does not make one a heretic. Wrong, yes–but it does not affect one’s salvation.

This Scripture clearly reveals that it is possible for ALL men to repent.

1st Corinthians 12:3–No man can call Jesus Lord but by the Holy Spirit.

John 6:44–”No man can come to me unless My Father draws him.”

John 10:27-29–”My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all”

Ephesians 1:4-5–just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will

Romans 9:14-23–What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.” Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.
You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?” But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?
What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory?

The verse in 2nd Peter you refer to–read it carefully. “He is longsuffering towrd US” (or some translations say “YOU”)–It does not say He is longsuffering to ALL, but only to those whom He has chosen. In this passage, Peter is talking about the last days, and the destruction of the wicked. He is saying that God will preserve the faithful, and save them from the fiery judgment that will come upon the world. In fact, in verse 15, he writes, “and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you.” This passage does not talk about men having the ability to come to Christ on their own. It is talking about God saving His people through Tribulation. And besides, DOES God desire that all men be saved? Yes. But will every man be saved? Does He save every man? No. So in order for 2 Peter 3:9 to teach that God desires all–every person–to be saved, then we would have to teach universalism.

Will we pray for Todd? Yes. We will pray that he repents of the heresies he has learned, that he will admit that the whole “Revival” thing was a sham, and that he will allow God to use him for the glory of God.

BTW, you never answered my question about the fruit from your tree.

God gave me (and each of those who minister with me at our church in the projects) one talent, and we are seeking God’s leding in making it increase. The fruit from my tree–people are hearing the true word of God being taught. Some embrace it and follow it. Others reject it and walk away. But the ones who listen are growing in their knowledge of Jesus Christ. Now, I know that isn’t as grand as what Todd is doing. But I’ll just have to live with it.

So ALL of those guys are heretics, and your boy Calvin wasn’t?

John Calvin was also a heretic. Calvin taught infant baptism and that the Sacraments were EQUAL with the Word of God.

John Calvin, taught baptismal regeneration (i.e., the unbiblical teaching that a person must be baptized in order to go to Heaven). He even had people killed for disagreeing with his heresy on infant baptism.

John Calvin taught that Jesus only died for saved people. The Word of God proclaims that Christ came to save sinners, not just certain sinners. Listen to the plain teaching of 2 Peter 3:9, “The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.” This Scripture clearly reveals that it is possible for ALL men to repent. God is NOT willing for any to perish. If Calvinism is correct, then how can you reconcile God’s desire for all men to repent if He only predestinates certain of them to salvation?

C’mon now. Just admit people are flawed and we need more accountability and covering in ministry. Is TB messed up, obviously, but you can’t discredit the work of the Holy Spirit in peoples lives. So, God is not bigger than TB? Just say that you will pray for the man and his family(and mean it), and I will leave you alone.

BTW, you never answered my question about the fruit from your tree.

Would you like to know more about William Branham, who taught the heresy known as ‘modalism’? How about:

“Father, Son, and Holy Ghost is offices of one God. He was the Father; He was the Son; He is the Holy Ghost. It’s three offices or three dispensations,…” (Conduct, Order, Doctrine, p. 392).

“Father, Son, and Holy Ghost has one name, the Lord Jesus Christ” (Conduct, Order, Doctrine, p.392).

“MY REVELATION by the Holy Spirit is: Christ, and the Holy Spirit is the self same person, only in a different form… I Now, that is one of the mysteries of the last days, how that Christ can be the three persons in One. It is not three different people–Father, Son, and Holy Ghost–being three gods as the trinitarians try to tell us it is. It’s three manifestations of the same Person, or you might call it three offices….Notice now, the Holy Spirit and the revelation and Christ is another form That’s right. ” (The Revelation of the Seven Seals, p.156-157)

Branham was NOT preaching the “One God in three Persons” view of the Trinity, but rather the TD Jakes/Sabellius heresy.

We all know Paul Cain was a drunken homosexual. And that Bob Jones made women stand naked before him. Bickle? He was the least looney of the bunch (which is kinda like saying Moe was the smart Stooge). His claim to fame is this “prophecy”–

“There’s Apostles, there’s Imminent Apostles and there’s MOST IMMINENT APOSTLES. . . . There’s various levels of Apostles and the Lord was showing that. . . . out of This Movement there would be 35 apostles. . .that will be of the highest level of apostolic ministry. . .the whole government of this movement in its highest level in all places it goes. . . .the government rests on Apostles and Prophets……Though I believe there will be hundreds of apostles in this movement and every movement will have its apostles and prophets, I believe God, He’s merging Apostles in a number of movements now and He’s going to add prophets to the prophets that are already there and He’s going to bring us to higher statures.” (Visions & Revelations, Kansas City Fellowship.)

It may interest you to read about this man’s experience leaving the prophetic movement here and here. This is not an “outsider,” but someone who was part of this “movement” and has shown why it is false. I would encourage you to read it.

Just found this out–seems as though Todd was getting drunk in more than the spirit. This from Bentley’s friend Tom Arnott:

Furthermore, it has now come out that there has been some inappropriate behavior, both with excessive drinking and also with a female member of his staff. Please don’t jump to conclusions or assume the worst, but this behavior is wrong before the Lord.

To throw all of those people in one big stew of heresy causes me to think that you have never really searched for what they truly believe(or believed), other than what you googled or found some youtube clip that could make your beloved Spurgeon or Calvin a heretic, is very irresponsible. Here is an exerpt form Mike Bickle’s book Passion for Jesus(the title even sounds heretical, sarcasm):

“Christianity in America and much of the world right now is not God-centered. It’s centered on needs, successes, wholeness, or spiritual gifts. Althoughall of these issues are important, they are not to be the focus, but the by-product, of genuine spirituality…….The day of the spiritual superstar is over. God is not interested in making men, ministries or churches famous. He is looking for believers who are ablaze with passion and devotion for His Son, and who are committed to spreading His name throughout the nations”.

Now, does that sound heretical to you? Now, I know what you are saying(to pull a phrase from your posts), “He never talked about repentance.” Yes he does. All throughout that book are quotes from Packer, Tozer, and Spurgeon. Why would such a heretic follow so closely to their teachings. Birds of a feather, flock together?! Doesn’t sound like Bickle was leading anyone AWAY from Christ, but only TOO Him. Be very careful who you call a heretic my friend.

Do we need to look for false prophets? Yes! Do we need to warn people against a lot of those TV guys? You’d better believe it. But, to just lump a bunch of people together who you don’t line up with what your doctrinal positions are is very narrow-minded.

As for Bentley, is he a victim? No. Should he repent for things? Absolutely. Am I upset at what has happened? My heart truly breaks for the reproach he brought on Christ with the relationship he had. Like I have said 10 times, I DON”T agree with all of his theology or methodology, but I can’t throw the baby out with the bathwater. There is no way that you know what happened every night there. You don’t know how many times he called people to Christ.

You keep harping on who he followed, and who is following him. Let’s hear about the fruit from your tree. How many followers of Christ have you produced? How many followers of Christ have you produced that ever did something stupid, or got a little wacky? If you are a pastor, how many people have you led into a discipling relationship with Christ outside the pulpit? What would the fruit from your tree taste like?

Why don’t you stop stoning the guy, and make a case for more accountability in ministry? Those who are without sin, cast the first stone.

You should be proud of me, no name calling this time.

and seriously…….with all seriousness…….smokescreen was really good. I laughed! I was only joking about the chain smoking thing, and really was not trying to divert from Bentley. BTW, check out the pastor in Australia who wrote this song called HEALER. He apparently was terminally ill, come to find out he was not. I don’t know who I am more upset with Bentley, or a guy who claims he had cancer to sell a song.

It is a well-known fact that Spurgeon enjoyed a cigar from time to time. However, he was not, as you say, a “chain-smoker.”

And what does that have to do with Todd Bentley? Absolutely nothing. It is simply a smokescreen (no pun intended) to try and relativise and rationalize Bentley’s behavior. Much like Mormons do when confronted with the deeds of their “prophets.” They claim, “Well, david had a bunch of wives! Moses killed a guy! Jeremiah made false prophecies!” All in an attempt to avoid facing the facts that they follow a false religion. And Jason, I am afraid that tactic won’t work here. Whether or not Spurgeon smoked an occasional stogie is completely irrelevant from the conversation at hand. Why not address the points I made, rather than try and change the subject? Which is this: Bentley gets his theology from a bunch of heretics. Men who are famous for being heretics. And he knew that from the get-go, it is influencing his “ministry” and bearing bad fruit (Patricia King).

http://www.masters.edu/podcast/chapel/Four%20Features%20of%20Authentic%20Repentance%20Part%201.mp3

http://www.masters.edu/podcast/chapel/Four%20Features%20of%20Authentic%20Repentance%20Part%202.mp3

John Macarthur recently said something that made me stand up and take note. He said “Satan doesn’t mark the road to hell as being “the road to hell”, that wouldn’t be very deceiving of him would it? No…rather her marks the road to hell asthe road to heaven and he lines it with all the things that our sinful flesh crave”

How stupid are we to not realise that when a spy infiltrates enemy territory he either goes in under the cover of darkness or else he goes in masquerading AS the enemy. Satan has people in the Christian church who preach Jesus….the only thing is that they don’t teach the whole counsel of God. I cannot say what will happen to people who do not hold fast to the truth due to conmen etc…..but there must be deep repentance before one comes to faith. Somone remarked earlier about historical revivals having deep repentance as a characteristic. That is absolutley spot on. the Jonathan Edwards, George Whitefield, Welsh Revival, Scottish Revival etc etc all had people mourning over their sin….the problem with today is that so many people in todays seeker-sensitive, experience focussed, emotionally charged churches do not realise that repentance is so key.

Dr. Art Azurdia, author of Spirit Empowered Preaching, did a sermon not to long ago at the Master’s College California…..it was about true repentance……Teaching from the Book of Jonah this sermon is masterful and it is a must for every professing Christian to hear.

There is no sense of the holiness of God today, there is no sense of his true majesty, there is no awareness of the seriousness of sin and God’s hatred for it. Yes God is love…but this is love…that while we were still sinners Christ died for us.

I have not seen Mr Bentley talk about repentance once. He just tells stories. I cant believe people are so blind. Psalm 51 isn’t in the Bible for no reason…..neither is Jonah…neither is the words of Jesus calling out “REPENT for the kingdom of heaven is near”…..also with all this talk of God’s love today, wishy-washy sentimental love that is and not real love, you might find it intersting to know that in the whole book of Acts Gods love is not mentioned once. there was the call to repent and believe.

I could be wrong there….can’t remember where i read it or heard it….and its early morning here so please correct me if I am wrong fourpointer!!

Thought I would leave a quote on here from Charles Spurgeon. He once said
“You and your sin must part, or else you and your God will never come together”
Grrrrrreeeeaaaaattttt!!!

Reformed Pilgrim

Satan works in a lot of things that are considered Christian. Some people consider TBN to be Christian. Some consider Mormonism to be Christian. Some consider a lot of things to be Christin. But that does not make them Christian. And do not be fooled–on any given Sunday morning, Satan is sitting in church pews, standing in pulpits, and singing in choirs all across the country.

That said, the question I suppose at this point is: How did Todd Bently come to be doing the things he’s doing? Did he start out with the “right motives?” Perhaps. But so did Joseph Smith (If you read “History of the Church” found in the “Pearl of Great Price,” he was seeking which church to join,. and asking for wisdom from God. I think we all know how that turned out.). So did Charles Taze Russell. So did Aimee Semple McPherson and Rodney Howard Browne. Matter of fact, even the Pharisees had the “right motives.” But “right motives” don’t always produce “right results.” As Jesus said, a tree is known by its fruit. What kind of fruit has Todd Bentley produced? Patricia King. ‘Nuff said.

But I would have to wonder about even his motives. Now, slow down–I’m not saying he had some diabolical reasons for doing what he’s doing. But one has to wonder why he would willingly follow–as I mentioned earlier–the teachings of men like William Branham, and Paul Cain, and Bob Jones. Anybody with any intelligence who reads what these men said would see them right off the bat to be heretics. And to consider them mentors? That’s just outrageous. And that’s what makes us question where Bentley is coming from, and how he can call himself a “prophet of God” when he can’t even see the truth when it stares him in the face.

Why do we speak out against Bentley’s teachings? Because they are a continuation of the heresies spawned by Branham, Jones, Cain, Joyner, Bickle, etc. And unless he repents and renounces these men and their teachings, then he is in league with them, and he is leading people away from the truth.

I would probably agree with you about his methods, but I have to believe that, some level, his motives started out right and for the Lord. You obviously don’t consider him a brother in the Lord. Don’t you think that someone could start out with pure motives and be swayed? Call him a heretic, and a false prophet, fine. Let’s all grab some stones be Biblical about this whole thing and kill him then. Or, instead of bashing the guy, and feverishly working on photoshop to create ridiculous pictures, lets pray for him and his family, that God could bring TB back(or in your case “to”) to Himself.

Of course God can heal people. That’s not what we’re saying. But we also have to remember one thing: even the “man of lawlessness” will be able to do miraculous things.

2nd Thessalonians 2:9–9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Are there healings going on in Lakeland? Perhaps. Doubtful, but perhaps. God will not work through a man who allows himself to be mentored by people like Bob Jones, Paul Cain, and the rest of the Kansas City Heretics. A man who claims that if God doesn’t move, He will move God. But make no mistake–God will allow people to believe what is happening by the power of Satan if they ant to badly enough.

There may be a spirit flowing through Todd Bentley. But are you sure it’s the Holy Spirit?

With no name calling here, so my post can stay up because I really want to here your response because I didnt get one yesterday……Do you believe that God can heal people today? Regardless if people claim anionting or not. If God chooses to use people or not. Through prayer, do you believe that God can heal people? Yes or no?

If you are reading this, you have probably noticed that your comment was deleted. What, you think you can call the admistrators of this blog names and still have your comments remain? And no, it wouldn’t matter if you had done so to Bill, Pilgrim, Isaiah, CD, or DP. You call us names, your comments disappear. I’m not trying to be petty, but that’s just the way it is. You don’t go into another man’s house and ridicule him and think you’re going to stay. Disagree all you want, make your case as strongly as you wish–but when you get to calling names, you’ve crossed the line.

Now, I know what you’re thinking. “Well, why can you call Todd Bentley names, but no one can call you names?” Here’s the thing: The things we call TB (heretic, false prophet, etc) are true. He is a peddler of his quote-unquote “gift,” mocking God, taking the focus off of Christ and putting it on himself and the flesh.

And how do I know what you’re thinking? Because I am an anointed prophet of God. No, I don’t have to prove it. I said it, that’s all anybody needs to know. I mean, if that’s good enough for Bentley, then it’s good enough for anybody else. All anybody has to do is claim an “anointing” and the people will flock to them (see also Joseph Smith, Mohammed…).

Repent Bentley. NOW.
How dare you pray for the sick. Better lay hands on yourself and your sick teachers.
Go impart your Kundalini spirit and your female devils and your goofy angels to a Hog or something. Leave God’s people alone or He will smack you down, really hard.

The big thing that I look to now is not Todd’s heart because I think he needs some work there (and as if we didn’t know that anyways) but where is your heart? How big is your stone you have in your hand?? Are you willing to throw it at him?? What about the huge log in your eye??

Just a thought for a reality check on our own hearts. It ie easier to point at the negative but for whose purpose is that??