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Crosstalk: Watch Your Mouth!

Professing Christians with potty mouths and gutter mentalities is one thing, but what happens when it’s a pastor?

On this edition of Crosstalk entitled Watch Your Mouth, Ingrid Schlueter and guest Cathy Mickels discuss this awful trend of worldly humor, coarse jesting, and crude language in the church and spewing from the mouths of those like Mark Driscoll.

Ingrid also discusses the shocking post from Chris Roseborough of A Little Leaven in which he has a post on his other blog Extreme Theology which is less than appropriate. The post in question contains a quote from Bill Cosby that the nature of which should not be found on a Christian blog. Chris’ lapse in judgment is still up on his blog here. I agree with Ingrid on this one Chris, it is highly inappropriate and should be removed.

Ingrid also discusses the twisted love affair some professing Christians have with the world and its profane, vulgar, God-hating entertainers. She addresses a supposed Christian blog that flowingly lavished the late George Carlin with undeserved accolades. Something you’d expect from the world, not Christians who are called to be separate from the world.

I have seen this blog in question and was appalled at the plethora of so-called Christians who honor a man whose life was the antithesis of all that is good, holy, and honorable in God’s sight. You can check out the drivel here and read Ingrid’s post on it here.

All in all, I agree 100% with Ingrid and her guest on this issue. It’s a sad testament to the current state of the bloated, lethargic, worldly, adolescent, social-club that is the church-of-me.

********** Update July 17, 2008 **********

Since the publishing of this post, Chris Roseborough has removed the profanity from his blog and replaced it with “jerk.”

10 comments on “Crosstalk: Watch Your Mouth!

  1. not to take issue with the main point of this post, but the one thing in it that caught my attention was the claim that Christians “are called to be separate from the world.” Can you explain where and how we were called to be separate from the world? Different from it, yes. Not conformed to it, sure. But “separate” from it? That’s dangerous.

  2. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, II Corinthian 6:17

  3. 1st Thessalonians 4:3–This is the will of God, your sanctification.

    Ephesians 4:17–This I say, therefore, and testify in the Lord, that you should no longer walk as the rest of the Gentiles walk, in the futility of their mind…

    Ephesians 5:3-4–But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as is fitting for saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks.

    Patrick, it’s not so much that we are supposed to be monks, shut up in a monestary away from the rest of the world, to live on roots and berries. It’s about being distinctly different from the world in our thoughts, words, actions, etc.

  4. Christians should be like ships. They belong ON the ocean – actually, on top of the ocean. But not IN the ocean. The ship is fine as long as the ocean stays out of it. If the ocean (world) starts to get into me (the ship), I will start to sink down into the ocean. And then I’ll make a shipwreck of my life.

    Also, why would I make a joke out of what my Lord, Father, Master, and King hates? “Fools make a mock at sin…” Proverbs 14:9

  5. fourpointer – i cannot argue with anything you said. distinctly different, no question. but that is very different than separate.

    i understand that the very concept of a church implies being “called out” from among the world. and as citizens of another kingdom, we certainly are in that sense separate from the world. but it can be dangerous to understand our separation to be so far apart that we all become the monks, like you say.

    the great commission actually instructs to go INTO the world. that cannot be done by being separate.

  6. 1 Corinthians 5:11 – But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

    Ministry Addict: I liked the whole ship analogy. I’ll probably mention it in a conversation someday. :)

  7. Patrick,

    May I recommend the series that I have written on Worship on my blog http://thedesertpastor.wordpress.com/ also cross-linked here on Defending Contending? I would hope that this would aid you in your search for the truth in regards to being separate from the world and not just different.

    Following up with the verse that Ministry Addict has shared, 2 Cor. 6:17, “Therefore “Come out from among them And be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, And I will receive you.”

    We are to be separate if for no other reason than the Word of God commands that we be separate. The word actually means to set off by a boundary. There should be a barrier between us and the world. In fact, we should be so different that the world would only want to turn to us for the truth seen us as found in Jesus Christ alone.

    This does NOT mean that we live like monks in a cave somewhere as mentioned by FourPointer. To come out means to get out or to escape.

    Patrick, the problem is this. Too many who call themselves by the name of Christ are trying to be “different” and “not conformed” to the world in which we live. However, many are content trying to do this while still enjoying what the world enjoys. They think they can be a part of the world and the vile sin and wickedness will not taint them in anyway.

    Another excellent passage to remind us of our responsibility before God is Psalm 1. The progression is as clear as the commands are. Those who walk in God’s way will be happy and blessed. Those who even begin just to stand (or take pleasure) in the way of the wicked will begin a downward spiral which leads ultimately to destruction.

    Thankful for grace,
    The Desert Pastor

  8. So, after reading your post here, did Chris edit his post on Bill Cosby by using the word “jerk” instead of what Cosby actually said? Or did you all take offense at the word “jerk”? Just wondering. As for Driscoll, I have yet to ever hear him actually use cuss words in a sermon, but some other stuff is far more offensive. Proof: http://www.youtube.com/user/ReallySad1
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  9. Thanks for your comment Ted.

    I checked Chris’ blog again and see that he changed it. He removed the highly offensive word and replaced it with “jerk.” It was much worse than “jerk.”

    I’m glad to see that he finally took action on this.

    As for Mark Driscoll, you may have not personally heard Driscoll use profanities, but he’s not known as “the cussing pastor” for nothing.

    – The Pilgrim

  10. Patrick, Insulation not isolation. The word “sanctification”, and “holy” both speak of being set apart which sounds a lot like separation. Besides I think you are getting caught up in semantics. Different should be replaced with radically different (although not weird). It is fascinating how many conservative evangelicals and reformed theologians think that their theology is what is going to keep them pure. The pig can know what is right about being clean and what is wrong about being dirty but if he is in the mud he is still dirty no matter what his knowledge and convictions. Besides, we need to be clear about what the “world” is. It is not the physical world. It is the world system that we must be separate from, the anit-God system. We have to discern what constitutes in our society that which is of the system and that which is simply cultural. That clears up the monk heresy. Driscoll adopts that which is of the system. The English language is not part of the system. vulgar use of the English system explicitly (no pun intended) is. Eph. 4:29 gives a separation principle for our mouths. A motive to speak that is radically different from the world system.

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