Be like the berians search the scriptures to see if these things be true. I have spent the last 3 yrs in deep prayer and study on such a matter and now after comming to the conclusion through guidance from the Father and much prayer and study that the method and information is correct .

I came to the same results as above on my own time only to find in confirmed in such men as Ray and Paul . . . etc. And 2 witnesses is all I need scripture declares and so I pray you will do the same be more than sure know . . .

close study of the entire 1st John book will clearly show you if you are truly saved and if you cant fit yourself in there then before you sleep once more find out the truth.

Forgotten God has not forgotten man . . . Man has forgotten God and to say the least the simple fact you woke up this morning is a blessing that the Father has given you at least one more day to find Him . . . As God spoke from the mountain to the people remember . . God is a God of the living not a God of the dead . . . follow the scriptures for they speak of Christ on every page . . . don’t put it off that’s pride and I know of one angel that got into a lot of trouble over that don’t be counted as one of His but one of the Lords . . . my sheep hear me . . . I pray that some may be there last day reading this you spend it seeking to hear his voice . . . man don’t search for God no where will you find that . . .God calls man was it not God in the garden calling Adam Adam where are you ? . . . Be still and hear his voice.

” It’s pretty amazing how easily people will turn on you, the same people who are supposedly in your camp. ”

Since when was Ray and WOTM people incapable of making a mistake ?

And who turned against them ?

But not everybody can handle the dirty work, and Ray certainly comes across that he can handle it. Putting it another way, I think there are way more important issues to wrap our minds around…

Eph 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

I would like someone else to think about Ray appearing alongside Todd Bentley ..After all he is drawing the biggest crowds…surely that would be the best opportunity to reach more people…Its rediculous right ?..the very idea is disgusting that he would even consider that….Why is it any different working alongside TBN’s heretics?

The more i think about this the more i think they should stay away.

And although I think I have an explanation that I’ll go into later, I’m still a bit confused as to why some sovereign grace Christians apparently seem to believe that the Lord God Omnipotent is so powerless and thoughtless that He would miraculously regenerate His elect by the power of the faithful proclamation of His eternal gospel of grace and then simply abandon His child to languish and “drink poison” and thus be unfaithful to His promise to finish the good work that He has begun (Philippians 1:6). Can someone help me out here? What love is this? Amazing grace?

The power of the eternal gospel of grace is more than sufficient to overcome all the wiles and deceits of the enemy by God’s power alone. Have faith.

Finally if one wishes to quote Jude 3 then let’s please read on down through verses 21-23 and let’s be obedient to the WHOLE COUNSEL of God. The same goes for 2 Cor. 6:14-18 – the WoF cultists aren’t in the church so in its proper context this application fails the test as well – that is of course unless one were to consider the fact that 2 Cor is a FOLLOW UP to 1 Cor in which case we can look back and see another possibility (the one which I personally think is actually in play in this whole dust up) which is that Ray’s attendance at the conference is causing his brothers and sisters who are weaker in the faith to stumble (1 Cor 10:27-28). In this case Ray’s appearance definitely is given scriptural grounds for pause but in all other complaints lodged thus far the charges are simply out of context non-sequiturs and unbiblical straw man arguments.

If someone actually wants to make a compelling case as to why Ray shouldn’t preach the gospel at the WoF conference then someone should write to him and tell him that they’re weak in their faith and it will cause them to stumble if he does so.

In Christ,
CD

I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.

12What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked man from among you.”

Preaching the gospel generally involves going and spending time with immoral, unsaved people. That is what we’re commanded to do. The only people we’re commanded not to associate with are those who call themselves our brothers, but live immorally.

If someone wants to convince me that Comfort shouldn’t go give these people the gospel, they should be showing that they have the true gospel, and the same Jesus, but are living immorally. Everything I’ve seen so far is how far off these people are, and the farther away from the Bible they are demonstrated to be, the more at ease I am with Comfort going there.

Thanks,
Bill

dale

“Do not give dogs what is holy, and do not throw your pearls before pigs, lest they trample them underfoot and turn to attack you.

If he does go to preach the Gospel to false converts, he NEEDS to expose the error of these Word-Faith heretics or else they will become worse than when they started.

The Bible says that we are not to fellowship with heretics and those who do not hold the truth faith of Christianity.

I believe Ray needs to read the following verses: (Romans 16:17, 2 Corinthians 6:17,
Ephesians 5:11, 2 Timothy 3:5, Titus
1:13, Titus 3:10, 2 Thessalonians 3:6,2
Thessalonians 3:14, 2 John 1:10-11, 1 John 4:1)

Exactly the people that will be attending to that conference need to hear the REAL GOSPEL. Exactly those people are the ones that are being deceived and very probable “false converts”… praise God for the opportunity to wake them up and share the true Gospel message.

Awesome and I we (Christians) should appreciate and pray for that opportunity Ray is having that souls will be saved instead of entertained.

I totally agree with Ray.

I agree TBN & INSP are pretending at being Christian stations.

When i first heard that Kirk had appeared on TBN i could not believe what i was hearing, and my first thought was that it must be a one off and they will not be invited back.Now i hear that both are appearing regularly alongside the heretics.

My instant reaction to this is that they are wrong to do so.However after reading Ray defend himself and give his reasons i am reluctant to condemn him so quickly.

One thing is for sure God does not need Ray and Kirk to spread His glorious gospel.Everyone of us can make mistakes and we all need to be accountable to each other.No-one is above reproach.

Just some of my thoughts
dale

There plenty of instances in the Bible where preachers did what the average Christian today would frown on.

Hosea – married a Harlot (Hosea 1:2)

Isaiah walked around naked (Isaiah 20:1-6)

As a sheep in a wolves convention, Ray Comfort needs prayer that he will be brave to preach the “true Gospel” and not sugar-coat it for the itching ears.

We need to lift up Mr Comfort in prayer instead of criticizing him.

Can you share some scriptures to back up your statements? I’d be particularly interested to see where preconditions to the preaching of the eternal gospel of grace exist in the Bible, or where the Lord attached caveats to His Great Commission.

Did Paul “give credence” to the unbelieving Jews when he preached the gospel from synagogue to synagogue or when he earnestly contended for the faith during his Mars Hill Discourse with the Athenian philosophers? Did his preaching there place the Athenian philosopher’s beliefs “on equal footing” with the eternal gospel?

Or what about Peter; did he “give credence” to the unbelievers to whom he preached the very first Christian sermon on the Day of Pentecost? Did his preaching there place his hearer’s false beliefs “on equal footing” with the eternal gospel?

Or how about the Lord Jesus Christ Himself; when he accepted invitations and ate with harlots, sinners, tax collectors and publicans (without preconditions); did He “give credence” to their debauched lifestyles or did He share the good news of the kingdom of God with them? Is the Lord Jesus Christ guilty of putting their sinful lifestyles “on equal footing” with His own eternal gospel?

The Lord certainly rebuked the Pharisees because they were self righteous and He knew the hardness of their willfully stubborn hearts. They rejected Christ because they trusted in themselves that they were righteous. Self righteousness was, is, and until the King returns always will be the rotten root of Pharisaical belief.

But back to your comment; please share just ONE example from scriptures where it seemed good to the Holy Spirit to refuse the proclamation of the eternal gospel of grace to sinners.

In Him,
CD

If Ray Comfort preaches the true gospel, then wouldn’t it stand to reason, that this would be a good thing for him to do? Preaching the true gospel at conference where there is sure to be a real lack of it!

Ray, like a great many of us, sincerely is concerned that the majority of people going to church are not even truly saved. I think the time to really start sounding off is if Ray starts to head down the road to glamor that many of the other professional heretics of done. If his message and character starts to change, then that is the time to start sounding the alarm.

In the mean time, as always, I believe it is wise to be ever watchful!

BTW thanks for your contribution to truth at this website!
Derek
Sheepleblog.net

Praise the Lord He is making all things clear and that He is making clear all the confusion within American Christendom.

Good points, Laurie.
I would add that in a similar manner Christians who have accepted an ‘invitation’ to use the ‘world wide web’ to spread the Gospel on their own blogs, websites, etc. – are sharing that very same ‘cyber-pulpit’ with both true believers and false-prophets.

What seperates us from the wolves on the ‘net is preaching Christ’s true message. I trust Ray Comfort to continue to do the same at this conference and will pray for him, too.

If Comfort goes to this conference and regardless of whether he discusses these people’s idolatry of money or idolatry of a false Jesus, he has 9 other commandments to use. If God grants them repentance, they won’t be hanging around Jesse Duplantis much longer. Maybe even the speakers at the conference will get saved. It’s clear that they need to hear the true gospel as well.

The gospel is the power of God unto salvation (Romans 1:16). It is adequate for the task. We can trust that He who begins a good work will carry it through to completion.

Paul Washer goes into these venues, for those of you who know him, gets led by the Spirit to preach the Gospel, and then gets shown the door. He does this at church conferences and churches all over. He doesn’t get questioned for doing what Ray does…because of his track record. Should we not give Ray our prayers as he goes into the “Lion’s Den” that those who would hear him…would hear the words of God instead?

Now if Ray does not consistently preach the true Gospel, of course he should be called on it. But I more than support him going to a church full of unsaved folks. In fact, as others pointed out, they may have a higher proportion of starving sheep! And if his TV show is on a channel with a bunch of heresy, doesn’t it clearly state in his programs that “you have heard this” but “this is the truth” without naming names? It is up to us to preach the Gospel first, and once saved, then point out the wolves in sheep’s clothing. Otherwise, the latter to an unsaved person makes no sense! It can’t because it isn’t spiritually discerned.

In summary, the Bible says for us as believers:

1. Preach the Gospel/Good News (everywhere, in and out of season!)

2. Teach them to love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength
(discipleship)

3. Feed on God’s word daily

4. Watch out for wolves

I am not saying “don’t cut Ray some sslack”. He knows that those who preach an errant Gospel are eternally punished in hell (and the Word says so twice for emphasis). Pray for this known servant/worker in Christ, encourage him, let him preach, THEN let us decide if he is in error in his message, and then let us lovingly correct him IF, repeat, IF he preaches a false Gospel. And yes, I fully believe Jesus would preach at Saddleback and other places where the Gospel isn’t truthfully presented. Why wouldn’t He? Show me where it says in the Bible that He wouldn’t. He ticked off people at synagogues, etc. Sorry for thhe rant, but in this world right now, Ray needs our prayers and help!!!

Your testimony rings in my heart as well since the Lord of Glory saw fit to deliver me from a Charismatic Pentecostal WoF “vain-traditions-of-men” religious upbringing – AND HE DID IT THROUGH THE FAITHFUL PREACHING OF THE ETERNAL GOSPEL OF GRACE.

It has pleased the Lord to draw His children, whom He has foreknown from the foundations of the world, by the foolishness of the preaching of the cross.

The eternal gospel is the answer to the WoF heretics.

The eternal gospel is the solution to culture.

The eternal gospel is God’s chosen means whereby sinful, wretched, hopelessly lost sinners are miraculously and supernaturally converted into lively stones fitly joined together.

This is the Lord’s doing and it is marvelous in our eyes!

All the discernment in the world doesn’t matter a bit apart from the all-redeeming power of the glorious gospel of grace.

Certainly the WoF’ers are ravenous wolves in sheep’s clothing and ought to be soundly and roundly rebuked by true Bible believing, blood bought Christians everywhere – HOWEVER – when in our sincerest moments we should find that we begin to place preconditions on the PREACHING OF THE GOSPEL then we find ourselves in a spiritual no-man’s land. In fact if we are ever to be found in such a sorry estate then we will also be found to be standing over and against the Great Commission of our glorious Lord and Savior.

May such a thing never be named among those who believe on Him and Him alone.

In Him,
CD