The following two short videos are of a Roman Catholic apologist leading a class on the defense of the Immaculate Conception. He starts off the conversation explaining his conversation with a Christian youth pastor (who evidently needs to spend less time playing games and organzing ski-trips with his youth group and more time studying the Word of God to know what he believes and why he believes it).
The speaker is interesting to listen to but my head really spun when this apologist and his class used the pure conjecture of worldly human wisdom (and very minimal Scripture) to dismiss Romans 3:23 . . . when “all” doesn’t mean “all.” He also provided us with his “most important verse in the Bible” in an attempt to justify his point.
Now things get really interesting when one student in the class named Frank brings up a great point: If Mary was sinless, then why did she die if indeed death is the wage of sin? If Mary was sinles then she would have never died.
The Catholic apologist teaching the class seemed to realize this was detrimental to his teaching so he provided the quick but incorrect reply “Mary was still human.” Allow me to remind the teacher that humans only die BECAUSE OF SIN! The teacher’s pious answer sounds humble but it fails to address the fact that if Mary knew no sin then she should not have died.
The teacher quickly moves on and just when he thinks he’s out of the woods, another student (who brought up the Romans 3:23 problem) directs the conversation back to Frank’s inquiry: If sin = death + Mary died = she must have been a sinner. Even with the valiant effort of another pupil who jumps in to help–trying to just explain the problem away with human reason–it still leaves the teacher a little perplexed. He tries to use the sinless Messiah as an example but obviously forgot that Jesus took on the sins of the world, Mary did not.
In spite of all the speculation and assertions hurling around the room (very little if any of it being Scripture) Frank didn’t give up so easily–still pressing the issue. Finally, after seeing the gaping hole in this Romish false doctrine of Immaculate Conception, the teacher decides to “shift gears.”
All in all, the two videos (6 minutes and 5 minutes respectively) are actually rather entertaining. If you’re going to watch these videos, however, be prepared to jump through some wild hoops as you follow along.
Apparently when Pope Pious IX proclaimed the doctrine of Immaculate Conception in 1854, he couldn’t imagine those pesky little verses (Romans 3:23 and Romans 6:23) causing so many problems.