Norman, have you ever done jury duty? If so, then you have sat in judgment.
Since you say we are not to judge should we eliminate our court system?

Exodus 18:26  And they judged the people at all seasons: the hard causes they brought unto Moses, but every small matter they judged themselves.

Numbers 35:24  Then the congregation shall judge between the slayer and the revenger of blood according to these judgments:

2 Chronicles 6:23  Then hear thou from heaven, and do, and judge thy servants, by requiting the wicked, by recompensing his way upon his own head; and by justifying the righteous, by giving him according to his righteousness.

Psalms 82:2  How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked?

Proverbs 31:9  Open thy mouth, judge righteously,

If I discern that someone is teaching a false doctrine, is that also being judgmental?
There is a difference between discernment and judging.

If you’ll look at the facade of the Supreme Court building at the top you will see Moses sitting with the 10 Commandment tablets in each hand.

Norman, please have a read here: I think it will clear up a lot of misconceptions you may have about judging and discernment.
http://gospelmasquerade.wordpress.com/2009/04/05/judgement-vs-discernment/

1 John 4:1  ¶Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Notice the word “many”, not a few.
We are warned to not believe everything we hear. For some reason many well meaning church people are afraid to call a false prophet what he/she is, a false prophet. We have been threatened by the very false prophets that claim this verse: 1 Chronicles 16:22  Saying, Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm. These false prophets use scripture wrongly to put fear and intimidation into those whose attention they have… and they are leading them on a downward spiral to destruction.

Hebrews 5:14  But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
As well grounded Christians we must have our senses sharpened and be alert when we hear things that do not line up to good solid Biblical doctrine…. or at best, check them in accordance with the Bible.

Christian brothers and sisters, don’t be mesmerized by someone who looks good behind a pulpit, or speaks eloquently or shouts the loudest. Remember, 1 Kings 19:12  ”And after the earthquake a fire; but the LORD was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice.”
God did not appear to Elijah in the loud, boisterous elements, but in a STILL SMALL VOICE.
Blessings.

My big problem with many Christian pastors is their avoiding the issue that the Jewish Baylonian Talmud claims our Jesus Christ is a bastard child of a prostitute, with a Roman soldier as the father and no relation to their King David. (See “Jesus in the Talmud” and “Discovering Judaism”.) Not only does it try to spread lies about all the important points of the gospel, it further continues to blaspheme our Lord in ways I will not elaborate on, and to support lies, deception, cheating and murder of non-jews. I cannot believe that Christians would support a nation based on these rabinical teachings that so directly oppose the teachings of Christ, nor give special treatment to dual citizen Israelis if they knew the facts.

Dr. Martin Luther wrote about this very bluntly, and although I do not want to stir up emotions, but feel we need to understand exactly who we are dealing with in the world outside of Christianity and not support the ungodly based on trickery and ignorance. I don’t believe that all Jews are Talmudic Jews, but many leaders, including Rahm Emanuel, are and there are common rituals that promote an elitist attitude to the non-jews.

This “feel good” christianity supports a spiritually illegitimate sate of Israel along with murder and all the other crimes involved in this politically driven religion. If the congregation would just read the scripture for themselves, they would find it very hard to justify Hagee’s interpretations.

Christians should grow up and accept responsibility for knowing the Bible well enough to counter false teaching. God Bless Us.

Thank you for stopping by here at DefCon. If you have placed your faith in Jesus Christ alone for your salvation, recognizing your sin against a holy, righteous God, and repenting from that sin, then we rejoice. That is the only way one becomes a true believer in the Lord Jesus Christ. Baptism, good works, saying prayers, going to mass – none of this will merit any saving grace.

I believe if you really knew the writer of the article that you would not be able to make some of the statements that you made. He would vehemently disagree that he is “so clean” while you are “so filthy” merely by the reading of this post. The fact is that before God, we are all undone. The very best that we can do is as filthy rags. There is no person who is righteous, not one (Romans 3).

This is not about being allowed in our group either. This is about understanding the truth of Scripture and standing firm on those grounds. Any person who has truly come to faith in Jesus Christ is part of the body of Christ. DefCon is NOT a separate group whereby you must gain some special admission or whereby you will gain special privileges with God. Besides, it is NOT a matter of whether we accept you as a Christian, but whether God truly sees you as one of His children. Everybody in the world is not one of God’s children, but only those who are saved.

Here at DefCon, we believe that it is a humbling responsibility to warn others of the dangers that are found in so-called Christianity. We do not personally hate John Hagee, any more than we do Benny Hinn, the pope Benedictus XVI, or Joel Osteen. What we hate and warn others of is the fact that these individuals are teaching heresy of the rankest order – heresy that is clearly defined by the truths of Scripture. We also recognize that true salvation does NOT come from the invitation of Hagee, Osteen, Hinn, or anybody else (including any contributor to DefCon). Salvation is the sole remit of Jesus Christ, Who alone offers that through the work of the Holy Spirit. If the Holy Spirit does not convict the heart of sin and make that person a new creation in Christ – there is NO life in Christ, and therefore, no salvation!

It would not matter whether you were a prostitute, had several abortions, killed anybody, etc. You are making the mistake that there are levels of sin with God. Jesus Christ Himself said that just hating somebody is the same as murder. Looking with lust is the same as adultery. EVERYBODY is guilty before God. But by the grace of God, He chooses to redeem unto Himself a people whom He cleanses, purifies, justifies, sanctifies, and prepares them to a Bride adorned for Himself as the Groom Jesus Christ. NOT ONE of us deserve that. We all deserve eternal damnation in the lake of fire (hell).

But God in His great love and mercy sees us as clothed in the righteousness of Jesus Christ when we are saved! He redeems us and the sin which we were guilty of was placed upon the Perfect Sin-bearer (Jesus Christ) so that we stand no longer condemned before the Judge of the Universe.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11, “Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.”

If the Lord has redeemed you and you belong to Him, then you had to come to Him no differently than I did when I was studying in college to enter the ministry. Neither of us are any more deserving than the other, no matter what sins we committed. God chose us to salvation and this He has done despite ourselves, despite our mockery of His Son for so long, despite our sin. He has written our names in the Lamb’s Book of Life.

This is the reason that we take the stand we do against people like John Hagee, Osteen, Hinn, the pope and others. Their teaching is contrary to the clear teachings of God’s infallible, holy Word. They condemn people to hell with their warped terms of coming to Christ to obtain salvation. We must warn as did the Lord Jesus Christ, the apostles, and the early church against heresy. There is no truth to viewing God’s Truth from different angles and perspectives. We must look at God’s Word as the sole truth. It is not debatable, and it is NOT able to be changed to suit the times or the preacher.

To conclude, yes God is the ultimate Judge. However, when He declares us righteous, we are righteous forever. We did nothing to gain eternal life, and it is certain that we can do nothing to lose eternal life. He is just and righteous, and He must punish sin. He will either punish you for rejection of His Son, Jesus Christ; or, He will see you as righteous, clean, and pure because of Jesus Christ. We will remember you in prayer. Feel free to ask further questions if you so desire, or if something has not been clarified to your satisfaction.

Because of His Amazing Grace,

The Desert Pastor

Since fourpointer has already summarily dismantled your baseless and unscriptural complaint I won’t kick through the smoldering ashes to see if there’s anything remaining.

I would note in passing however that your disingenuous secondary offense tactic is frequently employed – with similar success – by the Warrenite apologists when their meal ticket…er…um…I mean “pastor” is exposed as the shameless spiritual prostitute that he, like Hagee, truly is.

In Christ,
CD

This guy is so far out that Senator McCain chastises him for his weird beliefs… I agree with Fourpointer, how can you not openly rebuke someone that teaches another gospel, another jesus, and another holy spirit, which St. Paul outlined in 2Corinthians 11:3-6? Fine examples: (1).Jewish people have a separate covenant and therefore they don’t need Jesus unto salvation. (2). and let us never forget that Jesus never told the Jewish people that he was the Messiah, according to Mr.Hagee, (he needs to read John 10:22-42).
I have emailed various questions to his ministry in Texas asking about his beliefs and his Bible twisting without a peep from anyone…. Bob, if you feel lead to take a swing at it go ahead and send him a question and see if you get an answer? But I ask you to send him a legitimate question or two such as # (1). If you write any of the WOF gangsters an email and ask, “If you will send me an answer I will send you two-grand”? I am sure someone’s drone will send you a verb, an adjective or two…. Bob, then you will receive an answer to your question.

Jesus is Lord

That passage in Matthew 18 refers to someone who has sinned against us, for example if they steal from us, or lie about us, etc. This is not talking about someone who is blaspheming against God or His Christ. That is dealt with in Romans 16:17-18–17 Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them. 18 For those who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple. If someone is saying blasphemous things about Christ–such as, Jews don’t need to believe in Jesus–then we are to warn people about that person immediately.

Hagee was not “overtaken in a fault,” he spoke against our Lord Jesus Christ, and deserves an open rebuke. We’re not being “haughty,” we are being true to our Lord.

This Hagee maverick has always preached a different weirdo gospel; only second place to apostasy behind Copeland and TD Jakes. Wasn’t it about nine months ago or so when Hagee announced the advertisement of a new book in which he declared, “Jesus never claimed to be the Messiah”? I think the name of the book it was In Defense of Israel. Has Hagee ever read the Book of John much less the entire gospels?

Also according to one of Hagee’s television segments, Hagee claims according to Genesis 18:1-33, in the plains of Mamre that the Lord did not visit Abraham. Hagee claimed that the three were just run of the mill angels….. In my Bible, chapter 18 of Genesis, the Lord appears eighteen times, and where in the Bible has an angel been allotted the authority of life and death? I wonder where did Mr. Hagee get the information, whereas an angel can determine the judgment of life and death of man on his own authority? I thought judgment belongs to God.

Jesus is Lord
LML