Unless Hollywood’s rich and famous now live in the projects, Willie Ramos, the self-proclaimed Ghetto Preacher (and 7th Day Adventist) needs to change his name. Based on the pictures on his site, the only thing he’s doing is hobnobbing with movie stars and giving them an Ellen G. White book to read (why not the Bible?). You can check out his favorite links here and buy his shirt here. And what’s with the gang sign?
This genuine “Ghetto Preacher” named Bill Wilson doesn’t hang out with the rich and famous, he doesn’t have pictures of himself throwing up gang signs, he doesn’t brag about who he knows, and he hasn’t given himself any silly self-titled names like “The Ghetto Preacher.” Instead he’s quietly devoted his life to preaching the Gospel to those in the real ghetto for over 25 years. Pastor Wilson founded Metro Ministries in 1980 and has been preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the forgotten children of New York’s slums ever since. In this ministry he’s suffered great loss and great bodily harm for the cause of Christ.
I’ve had this sermon from Pastor Wilson (recorded in 1992) for over a decade and have recently transferred it to MP3. His message moved me the very first time I heard it and it still stands to this day as one of my most cherished sermons. I would like to share this message with you. Take the time today to listen to Bill Wilson, a real “Ghetto Preacher:” It Doesn’t Take Much (God Doesn’t Love Everyone The Same)
The Fourth Seal – The Beasts of the Earth
Seal events are FOLLOWED BY Seven TRUMPET events, FOLLOWED BY Seven Last PLAGUE events.
The entire world is witnessing the decline of the earth’s environment and resources, which is a prophetic fulfillment of the Bible.
At the Fourth SEAL, ONE-FOURTH PART of the earth is to be destroyed (Re.6:7-8 below) before we move FORWARD to the next Seal events.
Re.6:7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.
Re.6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the FOURTH PART of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the BEASTS OF THE EARTH. (Jude 1:10-12, Titus 1:12, 2 Pe.2:11-13 below).
The world is presently witnessing the events spoken of at Matthew 24:6-8 (below).
Matt.24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all [these things] must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Matt.24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Matt.24:8 All these [are] the BEGINNING of sorrows.
Immediately after the tribulation of these days we are witnessing, the world will witness events spoken of at Matthew 24:29-32, Mark 13:24-27 and Re.6:12-17. The world will witness the events of the Sixth SEAL.
When the world faces acts of terrorism are we not facing “the beasts of the earth” (Jude 1:10-11, Titus 1:12, 2 Pe.2:11-13 below)?
Jude 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
Jude 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain (1 Jn.3:12, Matt.13:38), and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
Titus 1:12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
2 Pe. 2:11 Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.
2 Pe.2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
2 Pe.2:13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
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As Christians we Don’t judge. You can’t judge someone who you don’t no and who spreads the word of God. When someone is changing the lives of others through the word and the power of God. Who is anyone to stand in there way?
The bottom line is that What is being said by the holy spirit is whats important both men love and worship the SAME God and thats something to respect. Willy is my best friend and has changed my life. He changes the lives of others with every word he speaks. He delivers Gods to those who can’t be reached.
God bless
Dear Willy’s Best Friend,
Thank you for your comment.
These are the issues I have with your best friend.
1) The Gospel: What “gospel” is he preaching? As far a I can tell he’s passing out an Ellen G. White book. This is NOT the Gospel.
2). He calls himself the “ghetto preacher” but I see nothing that shows he’s even in the “ghetto.” In fact, he’s displayed numerous pictures of himself hobnobbing with the rich and famous.
3). His whole ministry appears to be about him and his “proud and haughty look” is strictly condemned in Proverbs as an abomination unto the Lord.
A true Christian will do everything to point the lost to the only Savior and Lord, Jesus Christ. A true Christian will try to get out of the way so as to not obstruct that.
Although I cannot and do not judge this man’s intentions and “heart,” I can judge the fruit that he proudly displays on his website. I question what he is doing for the aforementioned reasons.
To claim someone “touched my life” or “changed my life” means nothing. Mormons, JWs and Scientologist can say the same thing. Christians don’t use feelings to know truth from error, but the Scriptures. Jesus Christ is the only one who truly changes lives. Everything else is just temporal and will be revealed for what it really is on the Last Day.
And finally, I must correct you on a gross biblical error that you made. As Christians we ARE called to judge those who claim to be Christians. Read 1 Corinthians chapter 5. Paul even “judged” someone from a distance. I suggest you seriously read this to see who Christians are permitted to judge and who they are prohibited from judging before you continue to spread misleading and incorrect doctrine.
Sincerely,
- The Pilgrim
Mr. Pilgrim
Number one the reason he gives Ellen G White books is because honestly who doesn’t have a bible. You can go to your local motel & there will be a bible in the drawer. He is trying to give them something they have not been introduced to. If someone were to say that they didn’t even own a bible I know that he would give them a bible.
Second, Willy is not self proclaimed, His youth started calling him the Ghetto preacher and it stuck. He is called the ghetto preacher because that is where he was from, the ghetto. Before he started his Christian walk we used to be in movies and television shows. The pictures are people he met along the way, but if you read further and look at all his pictures and descriptions on his page. He explain how the most important that he has ever been introduced to is Jesus Christ. He doesn’t spend his time hanging out with movie stars. He spends his days talking to God and spreading the word.
Lastly His ministry is anything but an abomination to the lord. His ministry tries to appeal to the younger era; the middle school through college ages. All He does is for the honor and glory of God. God uses him in unbelievable ways. Those who do not know him are missing out on a blessing. He devotes his every hour to God. The love and the faith he has for his savior is beautiful and inspirational. This past October He went to baptize 10 teenagers and ended up baptizing over 30. The words of God are loud and clear when Willy preaches.
Mr. Pilgrim have you ever heard Willy Ramos Preach a sermon? Willy is a humble just man of God. He is using the gifts God has given him.
God bless
Willy’s Best Friend
Will the real “Ghetto Preacher” please stand up?
Pilgrim,
I’ve met Willie and heard him preach on a few occasions. Yes, the pictures on his site might seem like he’s some fame crazed guy, but that’s not the case at all. If you take the time to read the captions, those were people he happened to meet for the first and only time. Willy does not put on airs or try to be “proud and haughty.” The only pride you can sense from him is his pride in finding the Lord. And yes, he does pass out Steps to Christ instead of the bible. One, Steps to Christ is easier to carry around. You can fit a copy in your pocket. Two, he isn’t promoting it as an alternative to the Bible, it’s purpose is in its title, it gives steps to finding Christ. The main one being finding the Lord through his word. Third, many people he’s out witnessing to may be turned off by receiving a Bible, or may feel intimidated by its size. Instead, they feel more willing to read Steps to Christ because it may be more applicable to their situation and is easier to read. If they feel touched by it, I’m sure they keep contact with Willie, who surely promotes God’s Word.
And yes, he did grow up in the ghetto. & he does preach to tons of people who are in a place in their lives that he used to be. I urge you to listen to his message before you make a decision about him. Hearing his message would certainly clear up the questions you have about him. He’s making a difference in people’s lives by leading them to Christ in a way that they can understand and more readily accept.
Bill Wilson sounds like he’s doing a great job as well. I think as Christians, we should be proud of both of them for going out and spreading God’s Word.
And just curious, what have YOU done lately to try to save a gangbanger’s life? As much as we may hate that lifestyle, they’re children of God too that need Jesus more than you think. Just take some time to hear Willie preach before you jump to such harsh conclusions.
A few thoughts to add from a biblical perspective -
1. ONLY those who have placed their faith in Jesus Christ alone are the children of God! All are NOT God’s children, but those who have a personal living relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ. Those who are not true believers in Christ ALONE are the children of the evil one and will sadly find themselves in a Christ-less eternity.
2. “Gangbangers” do need the message of salvation, but to say that we must be ALL things to all people by dressing, sounding, speaking, etc like the world demeans the gospel message which has ALWAYS CUT ACROSS CULTURE!! The Gospel message is transcultural and can save kings and slum-dwellers, rich and poor, educated and unlearned and it does so through the power of the Holy Spirit directing the soul to Christ.
3. For those who spout the verse about “judge not that you be not judged.” Have you not also read the Lord Jesus Christ Himself stated in John 7:24, “Do not judge according to sight, but judge righteous judgment.”?? Or, what about church discipline, the apostle Paul made it clear that we are to soundly condemn those who preach another gospel and that they were to be accursed. Paul even named names of those who preached contrary to Scripture. We have a biblical right to do so and must do so in order to warn those who stray after wolves wearing sheep’s clothing!!
4. For those who would use excuses to pass around and carry a book by a mere mortal instead of the life-changing Word of God, shame on you. It is the preaching of the cross which saves the souls of men not the rantings of a self-proclaimed prophet who helped to found a denomination which teaches and still today endorses a “works” salvation. Chairman Mao’s Little Red Book was easy to carry around as well, but it has done nothing but bring millions into condemnation.
5. Yes, we may hate the lifestyle of the gangbanger along with many other lifestyles, but I (for one) can assure you that our hearts still go out to those who are trapped in a hopeless condition all because they have an emptiness which cannot be filled but apart from Christ Jesus.
According to righteous judgment,
The Desert Pastor
Desert Pastor,
You SHOULD judge Brother Ramos on his righteousness. Unfortunately, you have never met him or heard him preach the Word. Until you do, I would ask that you hold your tongue. Any judgment you share now is merely on the surface and according to sight. Willie always has his sword (The Bible) with him at all times. I’ve never seen him with out it. He doesn’t preach with the writings of Sister White in front of him, only God’s Word. He makes it clear that the God’s Word should ALWAYS be taken ahead of his or Sister White’s. I’d also like to add that Sister White herself says that she herself is human and that God’s Word should be taken before hers as well.
While I agree that only those with a close relationship with Jesus will be saved, that doesn’t mean that we can’t or shouldn’t reach out to those that are lost. They need the Lord more than anyone else.
So please, before anyone else jumps to conclusions about Brother Ramos, at least hear one of his sermons first. If you don’t see God through him, then go ahead and do the “Christian thing” and bash him all you want. Until then, be happy that he’s out there trying to share Christ with people who need him most.
Dear Alex:
Not sure what you were trying to imply with your comment “go ahead and do the ‘Christian thing’ and bash him all you want.” I’m not sure why a professing Christian would refer to that as a “Christian thing” but I digress . . . if you have a link to Willie’s sermons, please post it and I’ll take a listen.
Also, no one at any point in these comments (or the original post) ever said that helping gangbangers was not a good thing. So please, put that strawman back in the closet.
Whatever a man says can only be taken at face value. I’m sure you’d agree many a men have lived lives far different than what their lips professed. My biggest issue is the fruit I see displayed on Willie’s own website. If those pictures of him with his proud and haughty look was of his old self, why display them so prominently as if this is the Willie of today; the supposed new creation, born of God? This really leads to confusion by those viewing his website.
He really needs to reconsider what presentation of himself he’s putting out there with these pictures. If those pics are not the real Willie, then they are very misleading. If those pictures are not a true representation of him, then he needs to have a chat with his website designer.
Again, this post pointed to the contrast of one who pushes an Ellen G. White book over the Scriptures (for whatever reason you may come up with) and how so much attention is drawn to himself, with that of Bill Wilson who quietly serves the Lord without pomp and flare–drawing no unnecessary attention to himself.
These are the issues that we have, “bash” us for our concerns if you must, but they’re concerns that are legitimate.
Respectfully,
- The Pilgrim
An open letter to all of Willie Ramos supporters, friends, homies, and peeps:
For those of you who have left comments in defense of Mr. Ramos the “ghetto preacher” but have noticed your comments have not been approved, I will try to explain succinctly why, and what my issue with Mr. Ramos is. Please read this carefully before commenting.
First and foremost I’d like to say that I do not judge Mr. Ramos’ heart and his true intentions, for no one (including his fans) can know what’s truly in his heart . . . only God does. Additionally I commend him for his want/desire to go into the highways and byways to reach those who would otherwise be forgotten. However, with that said, I will reiterate my primary concern (not rehashing the distribution of Ellen G White books instead of the Scriptures) but the issue of his prideful and haughty “look.”
Contrary to Mr. Ramos’ supporters who keep proclaiming that he’s one of the most “humble” people they know, I see the exact opposite when I peruse his website.
I don’t see this “humbleness” when Mr. Ramos makes a shirt endorsing himself as seen here. I also don’t see this “humbleness” when he posts pictures of himself posing with his cell phone, throwing up “signs,” and presenting an overall smug, arrogant, haughty, and prideful “look” as seen here.
Why does he have to do this? What is he trying to do by attempting to make himself look hard, tough, proud? I also viewed this video and his behavior exudes this very same haughtiness seen in the pictures. Why? Why must he present himself in such a manner if he really is humble? Is this the kind of behavior that you would expect to see from someone who is truly humble?
I bring to your remembrance God’s view of pride:
Haughty eyes are an abomination to God (Proverbs 6:16-17); haughty eyes and a proud heart is sin (Proverbs 21:4); eventually the proud fall (Proverbs 16:18); God abases haughty eyes (Psalm 18:27); God will not endure anyone who has a haughty look and an arrogant heart (Psalm 101:5); etc.
As much as I can’t judge his heart I remind you that neither can you. As long as Mr. Ramos continues to keep his website posted with these pride issues prominently displayed, then I will keep this post up.
I am also not trying to “promote” Bill Wilson by “tearing down” Willie. I was merely trying to contrast a humble man who really does live, work, and exist quietly in the ghettos to one self-proclaimed “ghetto preacher” whose pictures on HIS website showed him hob-knobbing with the rich and famous (not those in the actual ghetto) and who markets himself with his own t-shirts promoting his own image. One seems narcissistic while the other seems self-sacrificing.
Now for those of you who want to wax eloquent about how humble Mr. Ramos is without addressing the issues I’ve pointed out, then don’t expect your comments to be approved. I really don’t have the time to argue about a myriad of issues you disagree with. However, if you genuinely want to discuss the issue that I’ve spoken of (the prideful looks and behavior), then perhaps we can continue to discussion.
Sincerely and respectfully,
- The Pilgrim
Brother “Pilgrim”, without knowing you or your heart, and judging only by your superficial comments and your insistence on just looking at the surface, and your search to find something to criticize, it is almost certain that anyone’s comments explaining Willie Ramos (for no defense is necessary) will go unheeded. However, in all fairness, I must give it a try. I know the Holy Spirit can open your eyes. I don’t know if your apparently deep-rooted prejudice will let Him.
It is true that Willie met some famous people before he turned his life over to Christ. And if you took the time to go all the way to the bottom of those pictures on the website, you will find the following caption: “…but, my life changed when my parentz introduced me 2 a young JEWISH CARPENTER named JESUS.” That is what it is all about. That is what Willies life is now. All the rest is but loss to him. His passion is now all Jesus.
I have seen Willie use those photos in a message he gave at a Youth Rally in Austin, Texas some time back, where he contrasted his past life, illustrated by those pictures, with his new life in Christ. He explained that meeting all those other “famous” people could not fill his heart or save him. But when he came to Jesus, only Jesus could fill his heart, and he was saved bu Him.
As for the book “Steps to Christ”, it is a gem in Christian literature. I understand that there are those who have a problem with Ellen White. But I’ve discovered that most of those naysayers either have never read her, or have gone by others’ denominational prejudices. Ellen White’s writings always lead one to the Bible as the sole source of Truth. And “Steps” is one of the best books to lead people to Christ. To Christ. I challenge you to read it and develop a properly informed opinion. But I suspect you will not. Your loss if you do not. I’m sure you can google it.
Lastly, if you really want to judge Willie (or anyone for that matter), make sure you get the whole picture, so you can judge with righteous judgement. In my earlier comment (which you obviously did not post) I exhorted you to do your research before passing judgment. But it will be up to you to do your reasearch. If you do not, then you SHOULD NOT pass judgment.
If you continue to judge Willie superficially, your judgement will continue to be incomplete and, therefore, meaningless.
Lastly, Willie Ramos was at our church this past weekend, and his messages were supremely uplifting, having the anointing of the Holy Spirit. Many people turned their souls over to Christ, and will be baptized (by immersion) this upcoming weekend. And many others re-consecrated their lives to Christ. These are the fruits. And, by their fruits … you know.
Will you post this comment? I hope so. But I suspect you will not, unless your heart opens up to the Truth.
Mr. Ariel Chávez II
Brownsville, TX
Dear Mr. Chavez II:
In my open letter to Willie’s supporters I said the following:
Now for those of you who want to wax eloquent about how humble Mr. Ramos is without addressing the issues I’ve pointed out, then don’t expect your comments to be approved. I really don’t have the time to argue about a myriad of issues you disagree with. However, if you genuinely want to discuss the issue that I’ve spoken of (the prideful looks and behavior), then perhaps we can continue to discussion.
It seems as if you still did not completely address it, but you did give it a good shot.
The most pressing matter is that this supposed humble man shows anything but in his pictures and self-promotion t-shirts (seen here).
The main thrust of your argument is that those proud and haughty pics of Willie was his old self. Really? You said sure he’s got all those sinful (proud and haughty) pics but at the very bottom he has a disclaimer that says now he found Jesus.
It sounds like a typical Word of Faith testimony. Bring the guy on stage who spends an hour talking about how dirty and filthy he was in sin, detailing his adventures in the world (and inevitably causing many listening to go astray in their thoughts) only to wrap up the “testimony” with, “Then Jesus saved me and I don’t do any of that anymore, amen.”
So what gets more attention? It is the same case that you are making for Willie.
Let’s apply this same logic to other sinners who “found Christ.” What about the porn producer? Would you feel it would be honoring to God if he posted a bunch of objectional pics on his website only to then leave a blurb at the bottom of all that filth saying, “But now I found Jesus.”?
Apply it to the child abuser displaying pics of the battered children he’s abused. What about the terrorist who displays the body parts of those he’s blown up, but hey, now he’s found Jesus.
Do you see my point? Why is the sin of pride and haughtiness any less profane to a holy God? Not everyone struggles with pornography, child abuse or terrorism, but everyone DOES struggle with pride. Why feed into it?
Another blow to your argument that he’s so humble now, is one of his recently produced videos (AFTER his conversion). Does this video present Willie as humble or prideful?
If you can’t tell the difference, or you see no issue of pride at all in this video, then I suppose there’s no point in furthering this discussion.
Allow me to remind you:
Haughty eyes are an abomination to God (Proverbs 6:16-17); haughty eyes and a proud heart is sin (Proverbs 21:4); eventually the proud fall (Proverbs 16:18); God abases haughty eyes (Psalm 18:27); God will not endure anyone who has a haughty look and an arrogant heart (Psalm 101:5).
- The Pilgrim
Brother “Pilgrim”, as I said, Willie’s ministry needs no defense. If he is as “bad” as you think he is, it will fizzle out. But if it is from God, neither you nor anyone else will stop him.
Anyone reading these posts can see the obvious manner in which you twisted my words. It is so evident, there is no need for an explanation.
It is also clear to readers that your comparisons are way off base. Jesus himself brought to the forefront (and John the apostle recorded) the sinful lifestyle of the Samaritan woman (John 4) before He turned her into a samaritan (ghetto?)evangelist. In a similar fashion the entire Bible is very honest about presenting the sins of the sinners and then shows many of them delivered by God’s grace, mercy and almighty power. It is the end result that matters.
I agree (though my agreement is irrelevant, for it is written) that “haughty eyes are an abomination to God”; that “haughty eyes and a proud heart is sin”, that “eventually the proud fall”, that “God abases haughty eyes”, and that “God will not endure anyone who has a haughty look and an arrogant heart”.
But by the same token, you have to agree (and obey) that God also commands: “Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment” (John 7: 24). The information you present is superficial in nature, and leaves you unfit and unqualified to judge Willie with righteous judgment without walking in his moccasins.
God also says: “Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven” (Luke 6: 37); and “judge nothing before the time, until the Lord comes, who will both bring to light the hidden things of darkness and reveal the counsels of the hearts. Then each one’s praise will come from God” (1 Corinthans 4: 5).
Jesus is probably clearest for you here: “Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye” (Matthew 7: 1-5).
Also, heed these words from God to you (and to all of us) through Gamaliel: “And now I say to you, keep away from these men and let them alone; for if this plan or this work is of men, it will come to nothing; but if it is of God, you cannot overthrow it—lest you even be found to fight against God” (Acts 5: 38, 39).
I want to believe that your exchange with me is because you truly and sincerely want to judge righteously. May the Lord and His Holy Spirit lead you to righteous judgment!!
Many blessings!!
Ariel Chávez II
Brownsville, TX
The readers will be able to make an informed decision based on what’s been posted (and the subsequent comments).
Again, the pride issue is big and it seems as if you want to simply gloss over it and jump on the “judge not” bandwagon (this is so typical). Divert, divert, divert.
The sin of pride is an offense to God and is what got Lucifer kicked out of Heaven. It is not a light sin and it is a “fruit” that can be righteously judged. The pride of life is not one of the fruits of the Spirit.
When Willie chooses to drop the pictures of his prideful (past?) and refrains from displaying a behavior of haughtiness (as seen in his videos on Youtube), I will consider revising the post. It would also be nice if he’d present the gospel on his website and offer the Bible (the very inspired words of God) instead of a book written by Ellen G. White.
I have said what I said and I stand by it. You have said what you said and you refuse to budge. And as I said in my previous comment:
“Now for those of you who want to wax eloquent about how humble Mr. Ramos is without addressing the issues I’ve pointed out, then don’t expect your comments to be approved. I really don’t have the time to argue about a myriad of issues you disagree with. However, if you genuinely want to discuss the issue that I’ve spoken of (the prideful looks and behavior), then perhaps we can continue to discussion.”
The pride issue has not been addressed but instead excuses have been made for it, and then the age old tried and true “judge not” ripped from its context is applied . . . ugh.
As far as I’m concerned this horse is beyond dead and I am done beating it because I find that all I’m doing is repeating myself over and over and over again, and the pride issue continues to get a pass.
From here on out I let the readers “judge” for themselves, they’re smart enough to see the truth.
Thank you for your comments.
- The Pilgrim
dear sir. u dont have to post this. but id really love for you to read even one of mrs. whites books. i promise it is not possible to read it and remain unchanged, infact mrs white says that if you read her writtings and they do not agree with the word of God then they must be discarded… please read without prejudice. God bless!!!
David Moorman,
You will notice that your comments have been deleted. I would recommend that you read our Rules of Engagement before trying to comment again. Defending Contending is NOT a place for you or anybody to come and spew your false teaching or that which you follow.
The Desert Pastor
HOW DARE YOU TELL PEOPLE, ALL ARE NOT CHILDREN OF GOD. BLASPHEMY, THIS SITE SHOULD BE TAKEN DOWN AND THE WORDS WRITEN ON THIS SHOULD NEVER BE READ BY ANYONE.
Dear Chatal:
Thank you for your opinion and your candidness regarding your disdain for freedom of speech.
I’m not sure what or who you were referring to as I don’t see anything in the original post about “children of God” so I’m assuming you were referring to someone’s comment (which I do not have time to read all of right now).
Your anger and displeasure are misdirected. You see, your issue is not with whoever said “all are not children of God” but it is with God Himself. So please take up your fight with Him after you have read His inspired Word.
Children of God are:
John 1:12 Those who receive Jesus
Romans 8:14, 16 Those led by the Spirit of God
Romans 9:8 Children of the promise, not children of the flesh
2 Corinthians 6:14-18 Believers, not unbelievers
1 John 2:29-3:2 Believers
1 John 3:9-10 Those who practice righteousness
Children of the Devil are:
Matthew 13:37-39 The tares are the sons of the evil one
John 8:38, 41-45 Those who reject Christ and His words
1 John 3:8, 10 Those who practice sin/do not practice righteousness
I hope this clears up your misconceptions.
Sincerely,
- The Pilgrim
And I would simply add, a charge of blasphemy is against God the Holy Spirit. So, what “chatal” is saying is that we have disregarded not only the Word of God, but also the Holy Spirit within us. With such a charge, there must be Scripture to back up what you are saying “chatal.”
If you cannot do so, then you are no different than the Roman Catholic church who murdered tens of thousands during the Inquisition because a few DARED to take a stand against the traditions of men and even the false, immoral, damnable teachings of that system.
“chatal” – the ball is now in your court. Back up your claim with Scripture or you can choose to find another website to troll and sow your seeds of discord!
The Desert Pastor